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Xalimo explain struggle of marrying out
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Honestly I can make an exception for North Sudanese, or Djibouti or something since the culture is similar. I doubt anyone would notice the difference lol
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Because Xalimos who were married by shisheeye guys can't leave us (Somali men) alone. If they were living their lives happily and were just leaving us alone, fine we wouldn't care. But they're all over social media, chatting sh-t about Somali men.
Additionally, when those ajnabi men divorced them and kicked them out with those muuq-shabeel kids, they charge constant racist charges against the Somali community. They also blame the Somali men of not marrying them as well.
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The irony of life. You were defending madows in one thread and one poster accused you of being madow, just because you defended them through out. I bet you thought that poster is unhinged to accuse you of that just because you defended them, as if a person needs to be madow to defend them, therefore I'm sure you'd understand that one doesn't need to be in a IR relationship in order to question the insanity of hating them.
My intuitions never failed me. I am actually very good at deciphering people.
Look like we have more in common than we initially thought...
Gee, I made many of comments for entertainment purposes. Even if I don't find a laughter, I try to generate it myself. That is me being a Roori.
But I also think I am very good at deciphering people. In reality, people can choose how they live their lives and I have no issue with that. But I can't let it go when they constantly try to ridicule Somali men. That has been my issue. If they were not doing that, I wouldn't have said a word!
Fyi, if anyone calls me a maddow, I take it with a badge of honor because in reality I am a maddow man. I have never shied away for being a black man. I am a madow man from the continent of Africa - the heartland of maddow people.
Where is the link for this story? I am just curious to know the source of those quotes.
Silly.
What I support is for the betterment of our people.
Race mixing only worsens us. Wh
This is how u end up cucked as the East Asians.
They had the same mentality as u… slowly until 40% + of their women starting marrying to outsider white men.
Now their sons are struggling dying alone & their birthrates are declining.
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The problem starts with the fathers and families. They are the ones who are truly naive and push this "as long as he's Muslim" narrative. The fathers could stop this dead in their tracks, since there is no marriage without the consent of the wali. And the sad fact of the matter is, they are the prime enablers. When it comes to a Somali male, many of these fathers will grill them on their clan, education, work, etc. but when it comes to any old revert ajnabi it's "as long as he's Muslim".
Somalis are going extinct in the diaspora. There is nothing we can do about it. Whites complain about White Genocide, but we are facing Cushitic Genocide at twice the speed.
They are only welcomed back......because its haram to cut off family.....but deep down they ain't ever going too accept it
I swear I noticed this too....i literally made a post about this.....i didn't think 10 years ago will end up like this......sadly I thought we were going to lose our culture and mix out.....but I'm happy we didn't
.....What you think caused the rise of this nationalism?
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Akhi you're stressing too much. Naag qabiil malaha. They don't understand the concept of tribe loyalty and nor should they. How many men have had captured women feeding them grapes a weekend after invading and absolutely decimating their male population.
We should focus on supporting the Somali male youth and uplifting each other as men under Somalinimo and Islam in this global game of tribalism. We have to mold ourselves into worthy patriarchs.
Naago should be the least of our worries. Wixii aa guursatid will be giving birth to Somalis.
Naag qabiil malaha - let them seek their happiness wherever they may find it.
Lol, I was hoping that was a joke, but alas that is the reductive takes women have to contend with.
If you think these women willingly submitted to these colonizers who murdered their sons, brothers and fathers, then you open the argument that women are incapable of feeling love and anger for one's families loss. Classic dehumanizing shit.
If you actually bothered to look at history, these women were raped, dehumanised and coerced under the threat of their children being murdered, but now we have the likes of you typing whilst being in the comfort of your home saying 'MuH WoMen hAve No LOyalty'. What an interesting take indeed.
People have always married out and this feeling of irritation that men feel when women marry out, is also felt by women. Naturally, humans are possessive over those that hail from the same background. Black women feel a sense of hurt when they see their man run to white women and feel that their blackness is being diluted. When women feel this though, it is usually dismissed as 'jealousy', when men do, it is rightful pride.
Somalinimo and identity in general is so much more than name and tribe. A big part of being Somali is our language and culture. Once Somali men marry foreign women, features associated with Somalinimo will disappear and keeping 'mother tongue' and heritage will be difficult as in most societies that is seen as the role of the mother. That is why in Somali culture, you'll find that patriachs will often tell young men that the most important time your child needs you, is when you choose their mother. The significance of motherhood and the passing down of traditions was understood by our forefathers who created an abundance of proverbs surrounding this.
Women might not have 'tribes' , but they most certainly have lineages (which is really what tribe is, hence the idea that women don't have tribe is problematic) culture and language, two of which they mostly pass down.. Despite my defence of mixed marriages, I do believe that a wise Somali lady would prioritize marrying a Somali man. I would raise my future children IshaAllah to marry fellow Somalis. What I don't agree with is the billa akhlaq rampant slander of women who marry out.
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To this day, I will never understand the thought process of some Somali men (not you sxb). At the end of the day, Somali men invited foreigners into their nation, these foreigners call the shots for our government - State or Federal, own our ports, dictate our policies, constitution, laws etc.
The Somali male craves Ajanabi validation (Ana Arab), and will happily use them to spite another Somali because "Muh qabiil". The first group of Somalis to marry Ajanabi weren't Somali women, it was the men, they kicked it off in the West.
Somali men use to be intelligent, masculine and brave, our women use to laugh at other men and look down on them. With the way things have progressed post civil war, it's not surprising this toxic dynamic between the genders came about.
Every family is different. Also, there is something childish and vindictive of wanting and hoping that someone gets cut of from family just because their marital choices doesn't aline with your values.They are only welcomed back......because its haram to cut off family.....but deep down they ain't ever going too accept it
I don't defend IR relationships because I inherently agree with it. I went out of my way to only marry a Somali spouse and id be the first to encourage my unmarried sisters and dear friends to strictly marry Somali men, but I respect people's right to choose who they want provided that it is halal in the Sharia and that both parties aren't being harmed, nor is the said woman marrying men who are undeserving of her (e.g ex criminals, unambitious, known addictions/vices ect). That is the crux of the issue and why I often come across as pro- IR. I'm pro- respect people's life choices and mind your business.
I'll probably get a lot of hate for this, but this isn't an attack on just some Somali men, as it also applies to other Eastern men. The obsession of women and their antics despite their societies being shambolic is frustrating and fascinating to see. I suppose women in the male mind are the last thing/beings they can have a semblance of control over. Example, Somali scholars would often mostly concern themselves with the impropriety of women's sports, the length of jilbab ect rather than the supply and purchasing of khat or the rampant tribal violence. Why? Because they know they cannot control the unruly male masses who are indeed destroying society. But what can they control or think they can control? Women. That it seems is the rationale behind the men who have allowed other men to destroy their own nation but focus on petty issues surrounding women.
A lot of contradiction when it comes to some Somali men. Supposedly, the vast majority of Qabils descend from Arab patriarchs, in fact according to oral traditions, our very origin is of a Dir Xalimo marrying a Non Dir man of Yemeni or Iraq background. That is the story that is illustrated by our historians to be the origins of not only the Darood clan, but also the Isaaq clan, yet if a modern Xalimo marries an Arab man she is cheap and clean. But what does that say about what they think about their origins? Also, if you look at the fadi ku dir section, Hawiyes who are said to only have Somali origins are constantly insulted on here and are called 'hutu' despite looking like other Somalis.
I don't think Somali women look at other men and think they are better. That is also probably the case for those that marry ajnabis. A lot of things really are calaf and just finding yourself in a non Somali environment and then finding someone that ticks your boxes in that specific situation. I think what a lot of women even like me, who don't even really like IR relationships don't like is the lack of grace given to women who marry out. When men do it (marry out) most here recognize that him marrying out doesn't mean he dislikes Somali women, yet when women do it, it becomes personal. I think it fits in with the power and control point I made in the first paragraph. I suppose it must make some men feel powerless seeing their contry in disarray and then seeing their women marrying out (although it is a very and I mean very small %) as it signifies in their mind a lack of power.
This lack of rational thought and an inability to control one's possessiveness is what I find pathetic. I get it, even we women feel this way. If I was to see a decent Farax married to an ajnabi, my first thoughts are why not a Xalimo? I do think such an individual has made a questionable choice and that a Somali-Somali marriage would be optimal, but insulting him, assuming the worse and creating dozens of threads is unhinged and really does show an inability to rationalise and control one's emotions.
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Angelina, the reason why these men are so focused on policing what women are doing or wearing is a reflection of the helplessness of their dire situation, the more broken and downtrodden a society, the more the men will focus on things that don't really matter or insist on arbitrary debates instead of development. Afghanistan is a perfect example of this, Somalis are a broken people/community period, if anything I'd argue the civil war is still ongoing. We can't control the world or our enemies plundering us, but what's the next best thing? The women, always.
I will say this though, ALL men are possessive, Cadaan, Madow, Asian, doesn't matter. We know what white men do to white women who date/marry out, mudshark, race traitor, brainwashed etc it's indicative of the male psyche, unfortunately that will never go away.
It's straight up hypocrisy, I've seen it for myself, the lack of inconsistency irks me, and I imagine it must be frustrating for many Somali women to come across.
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