XABASH claims Adal was an "Ethiopian empire"

[madaxweyne]

Of course that is not up for debates. The same way other ethnic groups like Hararis played also a significant role but most importantly they all were fighting for their religion not ethnicity or clan. We should not change a historical religion war into an ethnic conflict. That is just reading the current mentality back into history. Besides, most of the then Somalis, Hararis and other ethnic groups now live in the current Ethiopia.

no one is saying its the same as the 77 war which was about uniting ethnic somalis into one country what were saying is that somalis were the overal leaders of adal and ifat and that the hararis played a small part alongside us as well as the afars and argobbas

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

Both the Abyssinian and the Adal kingdoms were not a one ethnic kingdoms and the war was a religion war between different ethnic groups on both sides and since most of the peoples on both sides and the battle fields are inside the current Ethiopia, most Ethiopians see the war as a civil war between Muslim and Christian Ethiopians (I'm not saying that is historically sound but that is how we see it).

To try to read the current ethnic and clan based mentality back into history and make those kingdoms as a one ethnic kingdoms is disingenuous to say the least. It seems during the 77 war the Siad Bare regime used the Abyssinian-Adal war to brainwash many Somalis to create a nonexistent myth that Ethiopians and Somalis were enemies and were fighting for centuries. This narrative and "history" is unknown for majority of Ethiopians and even though our royal chronicles recorded the war live. There is simply no "Somalis vs Habeshas" narrative. It is unknown for us.

That is why when Somalis many times claim Somalis and Ethiopians were fighting for centuries many Ethiopians are clueless and start to scratch their head saying like wtf are they talking about? For majority of Ethiopians there is no such thing and no history of Ethiopians and Somalis fighting for centuries. That just doesn't exist and the only real war they know with Somalia/Somalis is the 77 war. Leaving the history aside for historians, it is clear we are not on the same page on this one.

The reaction of most Ethiopians when Somalis claim they have been fighting Ethiopia for centuries

Keep up with your pathological liars because its an amhara speciality.
From plagirising history to suffering from historical amnesia.
In Ethiopia amhara have adopted George Orwels Animal Farm law which is
1.All Ethiopians are equal but Amharas are more equal than other Ethiopians.

 

[tyrannicalmanager]

Of course that is not up for debates. The same way other ethnic groups like Hararis played also a significant role but most importantly they all were fighting for their religion not ethnicity or clan. We should not change a historical religion war into an ethnic conflict. That is just reading the current mentality back into history.

then somalis been fighting Abiysinia for centuries, where myth in that? we don't care about what ethiopian think or believe because some you nigga just recently discovered that somalis live in the Ogaden region.

 

[reer]

then somalis been fighting Abiysinia for centuries, where myth in that? we don't care about what ethiopian think or believe because some you nigga just recently discovered that somalis are native to the Ogaden region.

they dont hate somalis but militarily supported european colonization of somalis for decades.
@xabashi:

 

[Sub-zero]

They're not Somali weirdo. They might have an affinity with us but they're not Somali

The Adal Sultanate, or Kingdom of Adal or Awdal or Bar Sa'ad ad-din was a Muslim Somali kingdom and sultanate located in the Horn of Africa. Know your history kid.

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

The Adal Sultanate, or Kingdom of Adal or Awdal or Bar Sa'ad ad-din was a Muslim Somali kingdom and sultanate located in the Horn of Africa. Know your history kid.

Yes its true like xabashi claimming the British empire was not English but was a collection of indians,africans,native americans etc.

 

[Based]

You lot are dumb af

"Celidheere" defending aidthopian Go back to your mountains I'm pretty sure they have a forum for you niggas

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

"Celidheere" defending aidthopian Go back to your mountains I'm pretty sure they have a forum for you niggas

 

[Harad]

Well yes, Somalis must be proud of the outstanding contribution they have made to the great state of Ethiopia, as well as they have contributed in kenya or Djibouti

 

[Caaro]

Harar is Ethiopia and Adal wasn't just Somali, it's disingenuous to say it was a Somali empire. It disregards the other Ethiopian muslims that contributed to the empire

@Sheikh Kulkuli is correct. Ethiopia today is nothing more than a confederation of a bunch of different ethnic groups. It didn’t exist before the 20th century and to call the adal empire an ethiopian empire is stupid.

Especially when you realize the Harar are a marginalized group in Ethiopia, gentrifying an ethnicity and marginalizing it while using them to try and claim a history that has nothing to do with you.

So which ethiopian muslims are you talking about? The nearly extinct harars? The muslim oromos fighting for independence? The Somalis who want to secede?

Imagine if a Somali-ethiopian tried to claim abyssinian history under the name of ‘ethiopia’, he’d get laughed at back to “jijiga” lol.

 

[Caaro]

Of course that is not up for debates. The same way other ethnic groups like Hararis played also a significant role but most importantly they all were fighting for their religion not ethnicity or clan. We should not change a historical religion war into an ethnic conflict. That is just reading the current mentality back into history. Besides, most of the then Somalis, Hararis and other ethnic groups now live in the current Ethiopia.

lol stop it, we all know harari and afar are langaab. If Somalis weren’t the absolute majority then they’d be the plurality at the very least (as in Somalis would be the largest group but not larger than all the others combined). The capital city was also a purely somali city and many of the commanders and leaders themselves were somali.

How you can shamelessly call the adal-abyssinian war a civil war is really beyond me. You claim our side is from brainwashing when you literally admitted to a hive mind thinking of your nation where “all of us believe this despite it not being correct history”.

Literally all the groups that were apart of adal that you want to claim want nothing to do with you. Adal sultanate was a somali muslim kingdom, no matter how much you try and persuade people and lie to them it won’t change the reality.

 

[Deleted L]

lol stop it, we all know harari and afar are langaab. If Somalis weren’t the absolute majority then they’d be the plurality at the very least (as in Somalis would be the largest group but not larger than all the others combined). The capital city was also a purely somali city and many of the commanders and leaders themselves were somali.

How you can shamelessly call the adal-abyssinian war a civil war is really beyond me. You claim our side is from brainwashing when you literally admitted to a hive mind thinking of your nation where “all of us believe this despite it not being correct history”.

Literally all the groups that were apart of adal that you want to claim want nothing to do with you. Adal sultanate was a somali muslim kingdom, no matter how much you try and persuade people and lie to them it won’t change the reality.

To be objective and fair with history though, there isn’t any definite proof that Ahmed Gurey was a Somali. Most historians believe he was likely Somali due to his close relations with them but we’re not 100% sure, he was a local Horner for sure, some would say he was a Habesha Muslim, Allah knows best. You can argue that Adal was Somali (since Somalis heavily contributed to Adal and it’s armies, this is an irrefutable fact) but they didn’t fight for nationalism or tribalism, their war against the Abyssinian territories was religiously motivated.

 

[xabashi]

No one denied the contribution of Somalis. In the Abyssinian side Amharas contributed also a lot but it was never an Amhara war neither it is a Somali war.

If you study history you have to use historical language and context. You can’t use current language and read current geopolitics back to history. That’s distorting and misusing history.

The war was not between Ethiopians and Somalians and also not between Somalis and habeshas. It was a religion war between the then Abyssinians and Adals that are composed of different tribes.

No matter how many times you repeat the Somali contribution it still will not make it a Somali war. The orginal Adalites never understood the war this way. It was also not an Ethiopian war. The Ayssinians never understood it this way.

So let’s agree to disagree. Somalis see the war as a Somali vs Ethiopian war and Ethiopians understand it as a religion civil war, both are of course historically not accurate since the Abyssinians and the Adalites never saw the war that way. Because of our different views most Ethiopians doesn’t know anything about fighting against Somalis for centuries. For them such kind of history never existed,

I’m done with this thread. Bye!

 

[celidheere]

@Sheikh Kulkuli is correct. Ethiopia today is nothing more than a confederation of a bunch of different ethnic groups. It didn’t exist before the 20th century and to call the adal empire an ethiopian empire is stupid.

Especially when you realize the Harar are a marginalized group in Ethiopia, gentrifying an ethnicity and marginalizing it while using them to try and claim a history that has nothing to do with you.

So which ethiopian muslims are you talking about? The nearly extinct harars? The muslim oromos fighting for independence? The Somalis who want to secede?

Imagine if a Somali-ethiopian tried to claim abyssinian history under the name of ‘ethiopia’, he’d get laughed at back to “jijiga” lol.

Dumbass

 

[celidheere]

The borders of Adal include modern day Somalia, Djibouti, Eritrea and Ethiopia. To consider Adal Ethiopian but not Somali (Even though modern day Somalia was apart of it and Ethnic Somalis made huge contributions to it) is false and reveals your inferiority complex.

Modern day Somalia wasn't a part of it, it encompassed North Somalia

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

No one denied the contribution of Somalis. In the Abyssinian side Amharas contributed also a lot but it was never an Amhara war neither it is a Somali war.

If you study history you have to use historical language and context. You can’t use current language and read current geopolitics back to history. That’s distorting and misusing history.

The war was not between Ethiopians and Somalians and also not between Somalis and habeshas. It was a religion war between the then Abyssinians and Adals that are composed of different tribes.

No matter how many times you repeat the Somali contribution it still will not make it a Somali war. The orginal Adalites never understood the war this way. It was also not an Ethiopian war. The Ayssinians never understood it this way.

So let’s agree to disagree. Somalis see the war as a Somali vs Ethiopian war and Ethiopians understand it as a religion civil war, both are of course historically not accurate since the Abyssinians and the Adalites never saw the war that way. Because of our different views most Ethiopians doesn’t know anything about fighting against Somalis for centuries. For them such kind of history never existed,

I’m done with this thread. Bye!

Keep spinning lies.
Majority of what you wrote is pure pathological lies.

Its what inspired that butcher menelik to kill millions of ethnic groups and what has inspired amhara to make amhara "great" again.

Axumite empire that had existed for millenium welcomed muslims therr and they thrived.
Its only 10th Century that Amhara tried to expand their terrotories and justify their imperialims and muslims were faced by persecutions under the amhara dynasty which was anti Islam.Till this day amhara have never stopped dreaming about of trying to outshine the axumite empire.That is why even the war of Tigray you saw how an amhara peasants with jiggers were heading to Tigray border in columns with any weapons they had main aim was to ethinc cleanse Tigrayans and which Xabashi used every justification and excuse from land despute and many more lies.

 

[Caaro]

Dumbass

lol stfu, you got nothing to say so stay quiet

 

[BigShaq]

Ethiopia is a modern creation. The highlanders were up in their mountains munching on raw hilib, and getting their churches burned. The lowlanders(somalis, afars, hararis and other muslim groups) formed what is Adal. To say Adal is 'Ethiopian' means nothing, it has nothing to do with the Christians. They only recently came down from the mountains after getting some guns, by and large they are cowards.

 

[Reformed J]

Ethiopia is a modern creation. The highlanders were up in their mountains munching on raw hilib, and getting their churches burned. The lowlanders(somalis, afars, hararis and other muslim groups) formed what is Adal. To say Adal is 'Ethiopian' means nothing, it has nothing to do with the Christians. They only recently came down from the mountains after getting some guns, by and large they are cowards.

Hararis are Abyssinian even if they're Muslim and not orthodox Christians.

 

[BigShaq]

Hararis are Abyssinian even if they're Muslim and not orthodox Christians.

Hararis are closer to somalis and afars than to highlanders. Only thing they share is language group, but not religion or culture. The term abyssinian is useless