Would a benevolent dictator ever work out in Somalia?

[Helios]

@Cilmi no need to wait for results if im schooling your kid and giving the men a construction job

 

[P4$t0]

I find it funny that a gaal still thinks they have a connection to Somalinimo much less rule Somalia, but will say a Muslim would serve "muh ummah".

I could never come out as a gaal in real life because I would at best be ostracised and at worst be killed. So yes I would deceive for my survival.

You say you have the Somali peoples best interest in mind, but yet you'll lie to them in order to secure power.

The Somali people will is the will of God and his Prophet(SAW)
When the quran says:
“Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allaah has made one of them to excel the other…” [al-Nisa’ 4:34]

You willing to trample on that because....... prosperity?

I would never force in the sense of forcing my perception and belief regarding religion onto the masses. An Islamic government who adheres to sharia forces you to practically be Muslim or else there will
be consequences.

An islamic government can be tyrannical, but a non-muslim government won't?

I would just construct a government who was neutral on religious matters.

What if your secular government is unpopular (just like in Iraq) and the Somali people want the Sharia (just like in Iraq), will you comply to the will of the Somali people?

Also, realistically speaking there are different types of Islamic leanings, which Islam is the country going to rule after? are all Islamic groups irrespective of sect be respected? most likely not,

Are there different types of Islamic teachings?

Yes



Which Islam is the country going to rule after?

Sunni Islam specifically Shafici madhab.



Are all Islamic groups irrespective of sect be respected?

I agree when you say most likely not, but why does it matter? The majority adheres to the same sect and belief.

even if we have a Muslim ruler, chances are disagreement would appear.

But a gaal ruler with a gaal administration will be free of any disagreements?

The best way, in my opinion, is that the government completely separates from religion and stay neutral when it comes to peoples personal belief. Otherwise, most likely, people will feel like they have a say in strangers religious identity just because the government does.

We've already tried a secular route, and it's failed.

As for the diaspora thing, I think a person who didn't grow up in war-torn Somalia should rule. someone who has seen and lived within a functioning system. Also, someone who has a real education and is historically and politically aware. Somalis in Somalia have very low standards most of the time. Honestly, the leader doesn't have to be from abroad I just think there would be more pros then cons if the person was.

You made a good point. But this is my rebuttal.

to be honest I don’t think the next president should be from abroad either. It has to be someone from the region who knows more about the country than someone who grew up in America or Europe.

I sort of agree with this point @Muji made.









@Muji finally stops trolling to make a good point.

 

[AhmedSmelly]

Somalia is a poor country with small economy. Qabiil is so entrenched in the social and political life of Somalia that to speak about Somalia in detail without mentioning Qabiil is unfathomable.

1) Where would you acquire the resources to accomplish such a feat ? (Somalia doesn’t export Oil and Gas or raw minerals).

2) How would you convince Somalis to wait 2 generations before your results materialize ?

It does export raw minerals, although in moderate quantities. unfortunately No one is talking about it.

Al shabab was placed in some mountains, and there has been spottings of regular airplane drop offs. Machines are placed there too, for extraction. Puntland the place of evil rulers.

Its hidden operation, because it doesnt want to pay royalties to the clans around it. If you talk about it, you get killed by al-Shabab. Or worse, they accuse you of being one.

 

[AhmedSmelly]

Yes. I dream of becoming the leader of Somalia. Once I do, ever single person is going to re-education camp and the worst of the worse are going to concentration camps.

Xi Jinping is that you?

 

[ZeroZak]

Xi Jinping is that you?

Putting Al-Shabaab into concentration camps. They must atone for their sins. I will culturally cleanse somalia for the better. It's time for a more hardcore approach to tackling Somalias issues.

 

[The alchemist]

I agree with @Muji it should be a woman since women have no qabil. And it should be someone from the diaspora. The female dictator should rule with an iron fist and karbash all the filthy men who hold important positions. I also think it should be a non-muslim

Just because women don't have qabil, doesn't mean they don't express the same fanaticism.

 

[ZakWantsToPlay]

Yes. I dream of becoming the leader of Somalia. Once I do, ever single person is going to re-education camp and the worst of the worse are going to concentration camps.

Too many ZAKS LATELY. I wonder why? Time I request a name change man. Monopoly felt good before.

 

[Cilmi-doon]

I agree with @Muji it should be a woman since women have no qabil. And it should be someone from the diaspora. The female dictator should rule with an iron fist and karbash all the filthy men who hold important positions. I also think it should be a non-muslim

Women do have a Qabiil. Somali women played active roles in the civil war and in the overthrow of Siad Barre.

 

[ZakWantsToPlay]

It is easy to unite and rule somalis back home with the right message and leadership. Obsession with clan isn't as strong as it is outside Somalia. The biggest hardle to a unified non-corrupt powerful government, is the vested personal interests of men who named themselves clan leaders, bought the position with money and became representatives. Their main objective is to make money and keep their clans think through their political positions, the clans are better off. They heavily sell the status quo as the best.

If decent leaders emerge from every clan who will sacrifice for Somalia, their respective clansmen would not say a word but follow the decisions these men make on behalf of them. This type of tribal leadership is how Somalis gained independence from North to South before. The men who led those efforts though representative of their clans, believed in the greater cause of Somalis and Somalia. Men from different clans worked together to achieve this dream and created Somalia. The same can happen if men like them emerge again who place Somalia and Somalis first before their tribe. Compare the men of the past to the ones ruling every regional state from Hargeisa to Kismayo, and you can easily tell where the priorities of these men lay.

 

[Life]

I find it funny that a gaal still thinks they have a connection to Somalinimo much less rule Somalia, but will say a Muslim would serve "muh ummah".









You say you have the Somali peoples best interest in mind, but yet you'll lie to them in order to secure power.

The Somali people will is the will of God and his Prophet(SAW)
When the quran says:
“Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allaah has made one of them to excel the other…” [al-Nisa’ 4:34]

You willing to trample on that because....... prosperity?



An islamic government can be tyrannical, but a non-muslim government won't?




What if your secular government is unpopular (just like in Iraq) and the Somali people want the Sharia (just like in Iraq), will you comply to the will of the Somali people?




Are there different types of Islamic teachings?

Yes



Which Islam is the country going to rule after?

Sunni Islam specifically Shafici madhab.



Are all Islamic groups irrespective of sect be respected?

I agree when you say most likely not, but why does it matter? The majority adheres to the same sect and belief.



But a gaal ruler with a gaal administration will be free of any disagreements?





We've already tried a secular route, and it's failed.




You made a good point. But this is my rebuttal.



I sort of agree with this point @Muji made.









@Muji finally stops trolling to make a good point.

I find it funny that a gaal still thinks they have a connection to Somalinimo much less rule Somalia, but will say a Muslim would serve "muh ummah".

Me leaving Islam doesn't negate my somalinimo. The Truth is I have Somali DNA pumping in my veins as well as a clan to claim and a country to call my own and me leaving Islam will never change that. As for the Ummah part, Muslims believe in an Islamic community but the truth is that that Islamic community doesn't translate to the political world. Because of "muh ummah" you have Somalis who express more sorrow for other Muslim communities than their own and those same communities never express the same support back. Day in and day out you'll hear Muslims cry about Arab plight but never about Muslim sub-Saharan African plight. We need someone who is able to bypass that and only priorities and focus on Somalia.

You say you have the Somali peoples best interest in mind, but yet you'll lie to them in order to secure power.

The Somali people will is the will of God and his Prophet(SAW)
When the quran says:
“Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allaah has made one of them to excel the other…” [al-Nisa’ 4:34]

You willing to trample on that because....... prosperity?

I have Somalia's best interest in mind as well as my own. If Somalis weren't so damn intolerant I would probably be able to be who I am. You say the Somalis will is the will of God and the Prophet yet I don't see that reflect onto Somalia today. The Muslim Somalis back home are committing heinous crimes such as murder, rape and theft yet I am the bad guy for wishing for a religiously neutral state for logical reasons.

What if your secular government is unpopular (just like in Iraq) and the Somali people want the Sharia (just like in Iraq), will you comply to the will of the Somali people?

You're asking if I would comply with people who have been living under war for 30 yrs? No, I wouldn't since I would assume that they don't know what is in their best interest. believe it or not but people in Mogadishu miss the way things were during MSB since they have started to associate Sharia with Shabab.

Are there different types of Islamic teachings?

Yes



Which Islam is the country going to rule after?

Sunni Islam specifically Shafici madhab.



Are all Islamic groups irrespective of sect be respected?

I agree when you say most likely not, but why does it matter? The majority adheres to the same sect and belief.

The reason I brought up Islamic sects is that it will replace the role of qabiil in the sense that instead of people fighting over qabiil they will fight over sects. I know we don't have shias on Somalia but look at Iraq or the middle east for that matter, they are fighting over sects.

You are being intellectually dishonest by claiming that Somalis only adhere to Sunni Islam specifically Shafici Madhab. The truth is we have thru our history have different influxes of religious sects.

During 1975 we had liberal Islam but for the most part Sunni Islam and Sufism were most popular. Only since the Civil war has Salafism made an inroad into Somali society

Also, Most Somalis are ignorant when it comes to Islam. You know yourself Somalis don't respect individuality and expect everyone to be the same that's why all Somalis in Somalia claim to be Muslim. DO you honestly believe that 100% of the Somali population believe in Islam? Realistically speaking that isn't even possible.

You ask why it matters. Why shouldn't it? All Somalis should have equal rights. Imagine that is my native land and I am not aloud the same rights and freedom as everyone else!?

But a gaal ruler with a gaal administration will be free of any disagreements?

Anyone can be corrupt regardless of religious background, race and gender. I wasn't claiming that a non-muslim ruler would by default be greater at all. Most of the time I was basing it of what I would do if I was ruling. Also, I was making the point that a gov separated from religion would be better. You don't have to be a gaal to rule such a gov at all.

We've already tried a secular route, and it's failed.

That secular route was interrupted by qabilism and Salafism, so what's your point?

You made a good point. But this is my rebuttal.

As for the diaspora thing, I think it would be more beneficial because they might be more aware of things that can be used to help Somalia like water irrigation, reviving lakes and halting and reversing deforestation. People in Somalia don't pay a lot of mind to the environment or preserving our culture.


I'd like to clarify, I am not claiming that a Muslim would not be able to rule in such a way at all. I was mainly speaking from my perspective and what I would do. I, however, believe that there are pros to having a gaal leader as I have mentioned they in a way only have Somalinimo.

 

[Life]

Women do have a Qabiil. Somali women played active roles in the civil war and in the overthrow of Siad Barre.

I know that they have a qabiil but they cant pass it on. That is what I meant, just wrong choice of word.

Just because women don't have qabil, doesn't mean they don't express the same fanaticism.

I know that there are females that are qabiilist but they are a product of their environment.

 

[Cilmi-doon]

Me leaving Islam doesn't negate my somalinimo. The Truth is I have Somali DNA pumping in my veins as well as a clan to claim and a country to call my own and me leaving Islam will never change that. As for the Ummah part, Muslims believe in an Islamic community but the truth is that that Islamic community doesn't translate to the political world. Because of "muh ummah" you have Somalis who express more sorrow for other Muslim communities than their own and those same communities never express the same support back. Day in and day out you'll hear Muslims cry about Arab plight but never about Muslim sub-Saharan African plight. We need someone who is able to bypass that and only priorities and focus on Somalia.



I have Somalia's best interest in mind as well as my own. If Somalis weren't so damn intolerant I would probably be able to be who I am. You say the Somalis will is the will of God and the Prophet yet I don't see that reflect onto Somalia today. The Muslim Somalis back home are committing heinous crimes such as murder, rape and theft yet I am the bad guy for wishing for a religiously neutral state for logical reasons.



You're asking if I would comply with people who have been living under war for 30 yrs? No, I wouldn't since I would assume that they don't know what is in their best interest. believe it or not but people in Mogadishu miss the way things were during MSB since they have started to associate Sharia with Shabab.



The reason I brought up Islamic sects is that it will replace the role of qabiil in the sense that instead of people fighting over qabiil they will fight over sects. I know we don't have shias on Somalia but look at Iraq or the middle east for that matter, they are fighting over sects.

You are being intellectually dishonest by claiming that Somalis only adhere to Sunni Islam specifically Shafici Madhab. The truth is we have thru our history have different influxes of religious sects.

During 1975 we had liberal Islam but for the most part Sunni Islam and Sufism were most popular. Only since the Civil war has Salafism made an inroad into Somali society

Also, Most Somalis are ignorant when it comes to Islam. You know yourself Somalis don't respect individuality and expect everyone to be the same that's why all Somalis in Somalia claim to be Muslim. DO you honestly believe that 100% of the Somali population believe in Islam? Realistically speaking that isn't even possible.

You ask why it matters. Why shouldn't it? All Somalis should have equal rights. Imagine that is my native land and I am not aloud the same rights and freedom as everyone else!?



Anyone can be corrupt regardless of religious background, race and gender. I wasn't claiming that a non-muslim ruler would by default be greater at all. Most of the time I was basing it of what I would do if I was ruling. Also, I was making the point that a gov separated from religion would be better. You don't have to be a gaal to rule such a gov at all.


That secular route was interrupted by qabilism and Salafism, so what's your point?



As for the diaspora thing, I think it would be more beneficial because they might be more aware of things that can be used to help Somalia like water irrigation, reviving lakes and halting and reversing deforestation. People in Somalia don't pay a lot of mind to the environment or preserving our culture.


I'd like to clarify, I am not claiming that a Muslim would not be able to rule in such a way at all. I was mainly speaking from my perspective and what I would do. I, however, believe that there are pros to having a gaal leader as I have mentioned they in a way only have Somalinimo.

There’s no such thing as a ‘liberal Islam’. I’m assuming you meant Sufis. Sufis are just as conservative as Salafis. Both Sufis and Salafis are Sunni Muslims who derive their methodologies from the Quran and the Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad pbuh.

 

[Life]

There’s no such thing as a ‘liberal Islam’. I’m assuming you meant Sufis. Sufis are just as conservative as Salafis. Both Sufis and Salafis are Sunni Muslims who derive their methodologies from the Quran and the Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad pbuh.

I was talking about this:

Liberal Islam[edit]
In early January 1975, evoking the message of equality, justice, and social progress contained in the Qur'an, Siad Barre announced a new family law that gave women the right to inheritance on an equal basis with men. Some Somalis believe the law was proof that the SRC wanted to undermine the basic structure of Islamic society. In Mogadishu twenty-three religious leaders protested inside their mosques. They were arrested and charged with acting at the instigation of a foreign power and with violating state security; ten were executed. Sheikh Ahmed Sheikh Mohamed Walaaleeye and Sheikh Hassan Absiye Derie were among them. Most religious leaders, however, kept silent. The government continued to organize training courses for shaykhs in scientific socialism.

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Somalia

 

[Omar del Sur]

There’s no such thing as a ‘liberal Islam’. I’m assuming you meant Sufis. Sufis are just as conservative as Salafis. Both Sufis and Salafis are Sunni Muslims who derive their methodologies from the Quran and the Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad pbuh.

I don't think that's accurate.

It is theoretically possible that Sufis can be conservative but

suppose you tried to get 100 Muslims (50 Salafis, 50 Sufis) to "cuck" on some aspect of sharia law or approve of same sex marriage

let's be real.... the Sufis would be statistically way more likely to fold....

suppose you wanted to push rejecting hadith or rejecting the authenticity of Saheeh Bukhari....

the Sufis would be way more likely to fold......

that is why the West promotes Hamza Yusuf and basically every Western Jew-controlled media outlet demonizes Saudi... even outlets like RT

 

[Cilmi-doon]

I don't think that's accurate.

It is theoretically possible that Sufis can be conservative but

suppose you tried to get 100 Muslims (50 Salafis, 50 Sufis) to "cuck" on some aspect of sharia law or approve of same sex marriage

let's be real.... the Sufis would be statistically way more likely to fold....

suppose you wanted to push rejecting hadith or rejecting the authenticity of Saheeh Bukhari....

the Sufis would be way more likely to fold......

that is why the West promotes Hamza Yusuf and basically every Western Jew-controlled media outlet demonizes Saudi... even outlets like RT

Brother you’re saying that because you’re a Salafi. I can also generalize all Salafis. There are Salafis in parts of the Muslim world who are no different than the Republican Party here in the US.

 

[Tukraq]

You are the proof. (All somalis are muslim but we dnt behave like muslims should, you knw what im talking about)

Your just making allegations on these politicians tbh, you don’t know what sins the commit, those allegations were pretty out there

 

[Cilmi-doon]

I see your point about having a secular government but only in multicultural society.

What sense is there in having a secular government in Somalia ? Religion is a public matter for the average Somali in Somalia.If the government is supposed to represent the people and Somalis are conservative Muslims, shouldn’t the government logically reflect the values of Somalis ? @Life

 

[Afro Asiatic]

You leave issaq out of equation because they don't want anything to do with Somalia in regards to politics. Secondly,.you got both H and D in the political class a duopoly politics . There has never been a president other than D or H block FROM 1960 ( THE ONLY DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED PRESIDENT AUN) to 2020.

Your secessionist clan enclave has no right to speak on behalf of samaroon and dhulbante..

 

[P4$t0]

Me leaving Islam doesn't negate my somalinimo.
The Truth is I have Somali DNA pumping in my veins as well as a clan to claim and a country to call my own and me leaving Islam will never change that.

Yes it does.
Here's my rebuttal to that point:
https://www.somalispot.com/threads/what-does-it-mean-to-be-a-somali.72694/#post-1916985

As for the Ummah part, Muslims believe in an Islamic community but the truth is that that Islamic community doesn't translate to the political world. Because of "muh ummah" you have Somalis who express more sorrow for other Muslim communities than their own and those same communities never express the same support back. Day in and day out you'll hear Muslims cry about Arab plight but never about Muslim sub-Saharan African plight. We need someone who is able to bypass that and only priorities and focus on Somalia.

The "One ummah" concept is just that, a concept, but it is deeply rooted in the Quran.

O messengers, eat from the good foods and work righteousness. Indeed, I, of what you do, am Knowing. And indeed this, your ummah (nation), is one ummah (nation), and I am your Lord, so fear Me. [Qur'an, Surah Al-Mu'minun (The believers) (23:51–52)].



What you fail to understand is that the "One ummah." concept has been hijacked for nefarious reasons by political entities that don't want Somalia to succede.


On top of that the real reason Arab problems are lamenated is because they receive more coverage than African problems.

Plus, Somalis would rather identify with Arabs than other Sub-Saharan Africans. Can you really blame them?

But I agree on the last point.

I have Somalia's best interest in mind as well as my own. If Somalis weren't so damn intolerant I would probably be able to be who I am. You say the Somalis will is the will of God and the Prophet yet I don't see that reflect onto Somalia today. The Muslim Somalis back home are committing heinous crimes such as murder, rape and theft yet I am the bad guy for wishing for a religiously neutral state for logical reasons.

That's precisely the reason why we're in this mess, it's because we didn't adhere to the Islamic principles and teachings that we as Muslims were supposed to.

As for your second point there @Cilmi-doon said it best in his post here:

I see your point about having a secular government but only in multicultural society.

What sense is there in having a secular government in Somalia ? Religion is a public matter for the average Somali in Somalia.If the government is supposed to represent the people and Somalis are conservative Muslims, shouldn’t the government logically reflect the values of Somalis ? @Life

You're asking if I would comply with people who have been living under war for 30 yrs? No, I wouldn't since I would assume that they don't know what is in their best interest. believe it or not but people in Mogadishu miss the way things were during MSB since they have started to associate Sharia with Shabab.

I don't want to strawman your argument, but are you saying that the people who live there and know what the problems are ineligible to have a say in their own government meant to serve them and that instead they should be ruled by out-of-touch second generation diaspora kids because....... Western enlightenment?




Oh, With the Sharia thing you're not exactly wrong, but your not exactly right either. For you see, there was a time in contemporary history where the Sharia was being used in governance and it was with accordance with Islamic code. It was before Al-Kebob took over and warped it with their own twisted view. That was in 2006 The I.C.U. was formed with that goal in mind.

The reason I brought up Islamic sects is that it will replace the role of qabiil in the sense that instead of people fighting over qabiil they will fight over sects. I know we don't have shias on Somalia but look at Iraq or the middle east for that matter, they are fighting over sects.

You are being intellectually dishonest by claiming that Somalis only adhere to Sunni Islam specifically Shafici Madhab. The truth is we have thru our history have different influxes of religious sects.

Am I being intellectually dishonest because I don't mention closet gaals because if were going that route neither do statistic gathering organizations either.

During 1975 we had liberal Islam but for the most part Sunni Islam and Sufism were most popular. Only since the Civil war has Salafism made an inroad into Somali society

In your own post the sources you use has a discrepancy that can be used against you.

Liberal Islam[edit]
In early January 1975, evoking the message of equality, justice, and social progress contained in the Qur'an, Siad Barre announced a new family law that gave women the right to inheritance on an equal basis with men. Some Somalis believe the law was proof that the SRC wanted to undermine the basic structure of Islamic society. In Mogadishu twenty-three religious leaders protested inside their mosques. They were arrested and charged with acting at the instigation of a foreign power and with violating state security; ten were executed. Sheikh Ahmed Sheikh Mohamed Walaaleeye and Sheikh Hassan Absiye Derie were among them. Most religious leaders, however, kept silent. The government continued to organize training courses for shaykhs in scientific socialism.

This new law never caught on with Somalis it was unpopular because it was against Islam.

The reforms of the Muslim family laws,-and the dilution of the traditional Islamic culture and institutions through the process of social transformation, has triggered reaction from traditional Islamic circles and produced strong conservative Islamic writings reaffirming traditional Islamic values. Literature calling for the preservation of a distinctive Islamic society is being widely disseminated. To conservative Islamic scholars and leaders, the home is the domain of the woman and the centre of peace, civility, tranquillity, and a protective safe haven from the brutality of the outside world. The man is the protector and provider (Haddad, 1998).

Islamic juspurdence says a Woman can only inherit half of that of a man.

Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great. Men are caretakers of women, since Allah has made some of them excel the others, and because of the wealth they have spent. So, the righteous women are obedient, (and) guard (the property and honor of their husbands) in (their) absence with the protection given by Allah.
[Qur'an, Surah Al-Nisa (The Women) (4:34)]



Siad Barre literally went up in front of a crowd and mocked this piece of Islamic legislation.

My mom even told me he took a red pen put a red line over that verse!

Also, Most Somalis are ignorant when it comes to Islam. You know yourself Somalis don't respect individuality and expect everyone to be the same that's why all Somalis in Somalia claim to be Muslim. DO you honestly believe that 100% of the Somali population believe in Islam? Realistically speaking that isn't even possible.

Do I honesty believe 100% of the population is Muslim?

Unfortunately, no.


Likewise, do I recognize and/or acknowledge closet gaals if they come out into the open?

No.

You ask why it matters. Why shouldn't it? All Somalis should have equal rights. Imagine that is my native land and I am not aloud the same rights and freedom as everyone else!?

When you say "All Somalis should have equal rights." that is a slippery slope.

Anyone can be corrupt regardless of religious background, race and gender. I wasn't claiming that a non-muslim ruler would by default be greater at all. Most of the time I was basing it of what I would do if I was ruling. Also, I was making the point that a gov separated from religion would be better. You don't have to be a gaal to rule such a gov at all.

So your whole argument was all based on subjectivity?

That secular route was interrupted by qabilism and Salafism, so what's your point?

That's not entirely why it didn't work, but okay I'll bite, since secularization wasn't a good cohesive glue that was supposed to bind all Somalis together and qabiilism was able to rear it's ugly head in, then what makes you think that secularization would work again?

Also forgot to mention, Sufism was actually fringe.
Source: My Ayeeyo.



I would argue Salafism is fringe, but I don't have any data at hand at the moment.

As for the diaspora thing, I think it would be more beneficial because they might be more aware of things that can be used to help Somalia like water irrigation, reviving lakes and halting and reversing deforestation. People in Somalia don't pay a lot of mind to the environment or preserving our culture.

Interesting perspective.

I'd like to clarify, I am not claiming that a Muslim would not be able to rule in such a way at all. I was mainly speaking from my perspective and what I would do. I, however, believe that there are pros to having a gaal leader as I have mentioned they in a way only have Somalinimo.

https://www.somalispot.com/threads/what-does-it-mean-to-be-a-somali.72694/#post-1916985

 

[Cilmi-doon]

Me leaving Islam doesn't negate my somalinimo. The Truth is I have Somali DNA pumping in my veins as well as a clan to claim and a country to call my own and me leaving Islam will never change that. As for the Ummah part, Muslims believe in an Islamic community but the truth is that that Islamic community doesn't translate to the political world. Because of "muh ummah" you have Somalis who express more sorrow for other Muslim communities than their own and those same communities never express the same support back. Day in and day out you'll hear Muslims cry about Arab plight but never about Muslim sub-Saharan African plight. We need someone who is able to bypass that and only priorities and focus on Somalia.



I have Somalia's best interest in mind as well as my own. If Somalis weren't so damn intolerant I would probably be able to be who I am. You say the Somalis will is the will of God and the Prophet yet I don't see that reflect onto Somalia today. The Muslim Somalis back home are committing heinous crimes such as murder, rape and theft yet I am the bad guy for wishing for a religiously neutral state for logical reasons.



You're asking if I would comply with people who have been living under war for 30 yrs? No, I wouldn't since I would assume that they don't know what is in their best interest. believe it or not but people in Mogadishu miss the way things were during MSB since they have started to associate Sharia with Shabab.



The reason I brought up Islamic sects is that it will replace the role of qabiil in the sense that instead of people fighting over qabiil they will fight over sects. I know we don't have shias on Somalia but look at Iraq or the middle east for that matter, they are fighting over sects.

You are being intellectually dishonest by claiming that Somalis only adhere to Sunni Islam specifically Shafici Madhab. The truth is we have thru our history have different influxes of religious sects.

During 1975 we had liberal Islam but for the most part Sunni Islam and Sufism were most popular. Only since the Civil war has Salafism made an inroad into Somali society

Also, Most Somalis are ignorant when it comes to Islam. You know yourself Somalis don't respect individuality and expect everyone to be the same that's why all Somalis in Somalia claim to be Muslim. DO you honestly believe that 100% of the Somali population believe in Islam? Realistically speaking that isn't even possible.

You ask why it matters. Why shouldn't it? All Somalis should have equal rights. Imagine that is my native land and I am not aloud the same rights and freedom as everyone else!?



Anyone can be corrupt regardless of religious background, race and gender. I wasn't claiming that a non-muslim ruler would by default be greater at all. Most of the time I was basing it of what I would do if I was ruling. Also, I was making the point that a gov separated from religion would be better. You don't have to be a gaal to rule such a gov at all.


That secular route was interrupted by qabilism and Salafism, so what's your point?



As for the diaspora thing, I think it would be more beneficial because they might be more aware of things that can be used to help Somalia like water irrigation, reviving lakes and halting and reversing deforestation. People in Somalia don't pay a lot of mind to the environment or preserving our culture.


I'd like to clarify, I am not claiming that a Muslim would not be able to rule in such a way at all. I was mainly speaking from my perspective and what I would do. I, however, believe that there are pros to having a gaal leader as I have mentioned they in a way only have Somalinimo.

Islam is an essential part of our Identity as Somalis. Almost all of us have had the common experience of growing up fasting, reciting passages of the Quran, celebrating Eid etc.

That’s why many disoriented Somalis like @DR OSMAN end up coming back to Islam. People seek comfort in what they know. Islam is our way of life.