I feel like they will never leave, to keep Somalia down from having an authority on itself.
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Will ATMIS ever leave?
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We are not a real country you know that right? If the UN and ATMIS left right now all hell will break loose.
We are a puppet government that booty claps to different governments for aid.
read this thread.
We are a puppet government that booty claps to different governments for aid.
read this thread.
and you base this off an almost year old outdated thread written by some cadan in the west who has no idea of the real reality on the ground?
Reddit is a poor source of information but you're right about the government. I wouldnโt call them puppets but simply propped up fragile institutions. It's clear that we don't have a leader who is willing to make the nation self sufficient.
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If a person says something I believe is correct then i will support their message.and you base this off an almost year old outdated thread written by some cadan in the west who has no idea of the real reality on the ground?
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They were literally made by foreign governments trying create โstabilityโ in Somalia.
Nothing sounds more like a puppet government than that.
Thatโs exactly what you do when you conquer a nation your replace its government with one that you approve of.
I donโt think we can never achieve anything from climbing up the political ladder in somali. It has to be a grass roots movement
Mozart
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They're not leaving until the Somali government shows they can handle the security of their country. Without atmis the government wouldn't last a year. This was a comment from 2 years ago and it's still the case:
When General Odawaa and PC Farhan were at the head of the Armed Forces and Police Force, things were looking up, with a specific deadline for the removal of all foreign forces. Every three months newly trained professional Somali soldiers would arrive in the capital and a new batch would be sent to Turkey for training like clockwork, at the same time Camp TURKSOM was also training new batches of Somali soldiers to professional standards to the point where ATMIS in comparison looked like an unprofessional third world force, while the SNA and SPF looked like a NATO style security force.
HSM has not capitalised on that foundation. Instead Odawaa was sacked, while Farhan and many valuable soldiers were killed on his watch. Tragic!
HSM has not capitalised on that foundation. Instead Odawaa was sacked, while Farhan and many valuable soldiers were killed on his watch. Tragic!
Was there any stability before the current administration. The foolish rebels had the opportunity to sit down and create a system but instead became warlords. As much as you and I may dislike the government, they are far better than the anarchy we use to live under.
As for foreign influence. I'm sure you can name every nation that isn't controlled by foreign powers on one hand. We live in a globalist world where unless you are a superpower you're a client state.
A grass roots movement would be great but unless the 4.5 system isn't overthrow it'd be a dead end. We're stuck right now focusing on security and until the nation gets its shit together and has a monopoly on violence, we're stuck.
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Yeah i understand what your saying i wasnt advocating for anarchy i would also rather live in a stable puppet goverment than a soverign shithole.
I also know what you mean. Our current state is fucking pathetic but until we get a visionary leader we're stuck with it. I think we should begin a new SYL for the purpose of revolution. Power to the people and leaders that work for the people. Our current administration are puppets as you said but it doesn't mean that future administrators have to also be puppets.
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I honestly think any visionary leader will 100% have people try to take their life away.
People who benifit from the current social order do want it to change.
THIS.
You're right. The people currently in power are some of the most untrustworthy, I wouldn't trust them not to kill a visionary leader for a bribe. It's unfortunate but I think we'll have to wait till this generation is dead till we get someone worthwhile. Best we can do in the meantime is ensure the education of the next generation. A educated class is less likely to fall into the trap of our current administration.
