WHY YOU LEFT THE DEEN

[Internet Nomad]

All ”ex-muslims” here are faking it, they wouldn’t otherwise socialise with somalis who hold Allah close to their hearts. They are having a phase and will InshAllah outgrow it. May Allah increase yours and all of our imaan, Aamiin.

Your more optimistic than i am.

 

[El Nino]

Your more optimistic than i am.

Have to be walaal, otherwise they will leave for good.

 

[Al hashimi]

The reason why it can’t be Cyrus or Darius is because they were religiously tolerant of idol worship and allowed many statues of pagan gods to stand in their empire. Dhul Qarnayn is described as a pious man who was a staunch monotheist, but according to the Cyrus Cylinders, Cyrus the great even showed respect to other God’s making him a mushrik and thus, not Dhul Qarnayn.

The story of Alexander in the Christianised telling of the story are pretty much word for word similiar to Dhul-Qarnayn.

• Alexander has been given power to rule this world by God.
• He travels far until he finds the edge of the world surrounded by murky water
• He reached a place between two mountains.
• He finds a people he cannot understand
• These people have no protection from the sun’s heat
• They complain to him about tribes of nomadic people named Gog & Magog harassing them.
• Alexander agree to build a huge wall to keep out these tribes.
• He constructs this wall out of iron and brass.​
• Before the world ends, these tribes will break through the wall and will start causing havoc.​

This story was after Surah kahf so it copied the quran

 

[Al hashimi]

All i said was khanis ppl deserve the right not to be killed, & that khanisnimo isnt a choice. Not once did I say that it was allowed in islam. All I was hoping was for muslims is to be sympathetic towards lgtbq muslims who abstain for the sake of allah.

It is caused by lack of hormones like testosterone and oestrogen

 

[Al hashimi]

I was told recently that during wars your allowed to rape the female prisoners of wars, I need you guys to tell me if that is true or not because that is one of my major doubts

There are rules and regulations for this read islamqa

 

[Al hashimi]

The reason why it can’t be Cyrus or Darius is because they were religiously tolerant of idol worship and allowed many statues of pagan gods to stand in their empire. Dhul Qarnayn is described as a pious man who was a staunch monotheist, but according to the Cyrus Cylinders, Cyrus the great even showed respect to other God’s making him a mushrik and thus, not Dhul Qarnayn.

The story of Alexander in the Christianised telling of the story are pretty much word for word similiar to Dhul-Qarnayn.

• Alexander has been given power to rule this world by God.
• He travels far until he finds the edge of the world surrounded by murky water
• He reached a place between two mountains.
• He finds a people he cannot understand
• These people have no protection from the sun’s heat
• They complain to him about tribes of nomadic people named Gog & Magog harassing them.
• Alexander agree to build a huge wall to keep out these tribes.
• He constructs this wall out of iron and brass.​
• Before the world ends, these tribes will break through the wall and will start causing havoc.​

He could’ve become a hanif and repented

 

[Al hashimi]

I read about that too. I think there was another Zoroastrian belief that has parallels to Islamic beliefs like the as-Siraat bridge and the Chivnat bridge in Zoroastrianism. Though in this case there’s no proof that the Zoroastrian version of the bridge dates older than the Islamic ones because of oral tradition.

Zoroastrianism copied aspects of heavenly messages

Explore the origins and distinctions between Zoroastrianism and Islam in this comprehensive analysis. Addressing claims that Islam borrowed elements from Zoroastrian practices, particularly regarding daily prayers, the text emphasizes that the Islamic prayer was divinely mandated to Prophet...

www.islamweb.net

 

[Barni]

It is caused by lack of hormones like testosterone and oestrogen

No it aint stop with dis pseudoscience shi u clearly dont know what u r talking about.

 

[Internet Nomad]

No it aint stop with dis pseudoscience shi u clearly dont know what u r talking about.

Gender and sexual expression have been connected to chemical exposure throughout a child's formative years. The statement is true.

Children who have experienced sexual abuse also display sexual deviancy when they become older. A common example would be:

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here’s one: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9127231/

gay men molest children who grow up to be gay, and the cycle repeats

 

[Barni]

Gender and sexual expression have been connected to chemical exposure throughout a child's formative years. The statement is true.

Children who have experienced sexual abuse also display sexual deviancy when they become older. A common example would be:

Only a third of lgtb ppl r SA as children dis doesn’t apply to the other two thirds. And what type of chemical exposure are u talking about?

 

[Osiris1]

This story was after Surah kahf so it copied the quran

The dating of the Syriac version of the Alexander Legend is debated. At the very latest, it is dated to around 630AD, which is after Surah Kahf was revealed. But many others historians date it to around the early 6th century (500s) and 615AD.

Either way, this story of Alexander was already in circulation orally throughout the Middle East prior to Muhammad (S). The backstory of this Surah implies the Quraysh and Jews were already familiar with the tale because they asked the Prophet SAW to retell the story as a means to test his Prophethood.

My issue is that there were already versions of this story from the 3/4th century all the way back to Josephus in the 1st century who mentions the wall, the passing of two mountains, Gog & Magog, Alexander using iron to build a gate between the mountains in order to keep Gog & Magog out etc etc.

And if the Quran did influence the Syriac Alexander Legend, where is the Hijazi Arabic linguistic influence in the Syriac Aramaic story? Why would Christians from Byzantine Northern Syria/Jordan be drawing stories from an obscure Arabic text in Mecca?
Also, the Syriac version goes into much more detail as opposed to the Islamic version of the story. In addition to Alexander already being known as the “Two Horned Man” in various cultures and us having coins dating to 70BC of him literally being depicted as having horns.

It doesn’t make sense, how is it not based off Alexander?

 

[Internet Nomad]

Only a third of lgtb ppl r SA as children dis doesn’t apply to the other two thirds. And what type of chemical exposure are u talking about?

Obviously lgbt is not a recent phenomena and has been a thing for centuries and has appeared in humans and animals naturally.

What i am saying things like endocrine receptors have affected more people’s (gender and sex) than what would occur normally.

Endocrine Disruptors

Endocrine disruptors are natural or man-made chemicals that may mimic or interfere with the body’s hormones, known as the endocrine system. These chemicals are linked with many health problems in both wildlife and people.

www.niehs.nih.gov

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here’s one: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9127231/

gay men molest children who grow up to be gay, and the cycle repeats

I do not know about humans, but methylmercury can contribute to homosexuality/same sex pairings in certain species of birds.
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Also, it is quite interesting that sexual attraction can be chemically manipulated in rats and other species of animals. I have also read about speculations of a connection between parasites having the capacity to influence behaviour in both animals and humans. As an aside, parasites are more common in heavy metal-rich environments. I cannot speak for the case of homosexuality, but toxoplasma gondii parasites can influence sexual desire and contribute to intrigue in nonconventional sexual practices. I digress.
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There are few studies exploring a potential connection between parasites and homosexuality, and there have been zero interest post-1980s on such an endeavour as it (1) could challenge the agenda at play and (2) public sentiments have changed, which have attempted to normalize what was once deemed sexually deviant or ascribed a mental illness label.

I am aware that homosexual men have higher intestinal parasites owning to their lifestyle and, in general, relative to their heterosexual counterparts.

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Also, most information claiming desperately to cling to a genetic connection to sexual behaviour is flimsy at best. Pushing such a narrative is in line with paradigms of the time. As we know anything that would clash with that would be ignored or shirked.

We could also add another factor of adverse life events (like you posed) which could influence sexual behaviour i.e. trauma which is higher in prevalence among them than cis gender heterosexuals. There is a high correlation but not necessarily causation. Though I think this is multifactorial. Also, if one wants to keep their day job I wouldn't bother talking about this as you're going against a well oiled machine that will crush you for even the notion of raising questions other than deterministic and and affirming ones. Merely, being contrarian will result in accusations levied against you.
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[Al hashimi]

Minireview: Hormones and Human Sexual Orientation - PMC

Many people believe that sexual orientation (homosexuality vs. heterosexuality) is determined by education and social constraints. There are, however, a large number of studies indicating that prenatal factors have an important influence on this ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Hormones and Lesbians: What We Still Don't Know - BMJ Sexual & Reproductive Health blog

by Catherine Meads With all the talk of love drugs and sex hormones influencing how people feel and behave, or even who they love or feel that they are (for example, in cross-sex hormone trans debates), we thought it would be worthwhile re-examining the evidence on differences of sex hormones in...

blogs.bmj.com

 

[Al hashimi]

The dating of the Syriac version of the Alexander Legend is debated. At the very latest, it is dated to around 630AD, which is after Surah Kahf was revealed. But many others historians date it to around the early 6th century (500s) and 615AD.

Either way, this story of Alexander was already in circulation orally throughout the Middle East prior to Muhammad (S). The backstory of this Surah implies the Quraysh and Jews were already familiar with the tale because they asked the Prophet SAW to retell the story as a means to test his Prophethood.

My issue is that there were already versions of this story from the 3/4th century all the way back to Josephus in the 1st century who mentions the wall, the passing of two mountains, Gog & Magog, Alexander using iron to build a gate between the mountains in order to keep Gog & Magog out etc etc.

And if the Quran did influence the Syriac Alexander Legend, where is the Hijazi Arabic linguistic influence in the Syriac Aramaic story? Why would Christians from Byzantine Northern Syria/Jordan be drawing stories from an obscure Arabic text in Mecca?
Also, the Syriac version goes into much more detail as opposed to the Islamic version of the story. In addition to Alexander already being known as the “Two Horned Man” in various cultures and us having coins dating to 70BC of him literally being depicted as having horns.

It doesn’t make sense, how is it not based off Alexander?

Plus who says it’s copied it could be correct and Allah is also telling us this story aswl it doesn’t have to mean it’s corrupted necessarily btw did u watch the vid

 

[Osiris1]

Plus who says it’s copied it could be correct and Allah is also telling us this story aswl it doesn’t have to mean it’s corrupted necessarily btw did u watch the vid

Yeah I watched this video a while back when I initally discovered this topic but I rewatched it right now just to remember the main argument. His argument is essentially the Quran cannot be drawing from the Syriac Alexander story is because it dates to after the Surah was revealed.
But it fails to address the other older versions like Josephus’, which already contain the wall, Alexander travelling to the place where the sun sets, the mountain and the barbaric tribes needing to be contained.
It also doesn’t make sense historically if the Syriac copied the Quran.

The original Syriac story was a Christian propaganda piece to help Heraclius in the war effort going on at the time. Also, in the video it assumes this story was unknown before the Surah which is false since the story was orally transmitted throughout the region. The whole point of the Surah being revealed was to retell the story, so it was obviously well-known to the Pagan Arabs and Jews.

 

[Al hashimi]

Yeah I watched this video a while back when I initally discovered this topic but I rewatched it right now just to remember the main argument. His argument is essentially the Quran cannot be drawing from the Syriac Alexander story is because it dates to after the Surah was revealed.
But it fails to address the other older versions like Josephus’, which already contain the wall, Alexander travelling to the place where the sun sets, the mountain and the barbaric tribes needing to be contained.
It also doesn’t make sense historically if the Syriac copied the Quran.

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The original Syriac story was a Christian propaganda piece to help Heraclius in the war effort going on at the time. Also, in the video it assumes this story was unknown before the Surah which is false since the story was orally transmitted throughout the region. The whole point of the Surah being revealed was to retell the story, so it was obviously well-known to the Pagan Arabs and Jews.

With regards to the ship qarnayn story Josephus hellenised a lot of Jewish history Daniel 8 clearly indicated that the two horned one or the possessor of two nations was Persian as the ruler of the Persians and the Medes and Cyrus wore two horns
The syriac text could also be copied orally and even if it was predating the quran it doesn’t necessarily mean it’s incorrect

 

[Angelina]

For those that are having doubts, use this Ramadan to get closer to Allah and focus on your spiritual link to the Almighty. Make sure you pray all your Salah on time, make lots of Dua for Allah to bring you closer to the deen and try to read the Quran and appreciate the beauty of the verses. Listen to lectures by reputable speakers/scholars as well about aqiidah, iman ect.

Please get off the internet. Social media, internet discussions on Islam ect will just you push you further away. Especially since now we have callous young teens/those in their 20s who like to discuss fiqhi issues with 0 wisdom and mercy. Ramadan is a time to get away from all of that and focus on your creator. Don’t look at controversial topics such as Child marriage, slavery, women in Islam ect because you’ll be bombarded with the views of the highly uneducated who lack any form of compassion. Let this month be a time of spiritual cleansing by doing lots of ibaada that will bring you closer to Islam.

As for everyone, have a good Ramadan. May Allah accept our ibaada.

Bye everyone, I will not be on sspot for a month.

 

[Aurelian]

How does a woman even become a slave when they are not fighting in the battlefield

It is all about force. There is no rules.

 

[Camaar]

Worshipping Allah is for our own good, He doesn't need us,It is us who need islam not the other way around.

 

[Man with a garuun]

I want to see why many of these sspot members left the deen and inshallah we as a somali community can help them
Please refrain from disrespect.

Hogaanka ayaa u wada go'ey. Gabdhaha gaalada noqdeyna waa hoobaya hidow (yacni kuwa gaalo ah baa siday uga wadeyn kaga saarey diinta), wiilasha badankooduna waa laga roonayaal.

There you have your answer.

Gaalo qurunley is a shameless group of people.