Why we may

J-Rasta

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We may cease to exist as an entire nation in the following years.

Just look at this , for the love of God , people just fucking watch this.
This is in Garacad, btw , the construction of a Seaport which is a project , the Puntland administration will seek to open new channels , improving th socio-economic ties in central Somalia regions and eastern Ethiopia for easy trade with the outside world especially the gulf countries.
Like elsewhere in Somalia it's in dire need for revamp in all sectors, these are labour skilled foreign contract workers which is prevalent throughout many projects in Somalia in comparison to the local workforce and yet these foreigners seem to acknowledge the value of this soil , taking everything for granted even the things maryooley throwaway.

I mean out of all the foreign contractors , this man comes from a landlocked and war ravaged nation with limited prospect, and you see him catching yellow tuna.

Okay what about the inhabitants , they seem to be fishers right?? It's their livelihoods soo maha?
So what Rasta what's your point , why you exaggerating???

No , Somalis , the many, are pastrolists seeking pasture and grazing from Soil A to Soil B, looking down at the very few Somalis that have different livelihoods, they look in disgust at the
fishermen and the consumption of fish , they despise farmers but would flock to their markets to buy from their harvest, the same can be said about the derogatory remarks made to the hard working blacksmiths but these same nomads would pay a visit whenever their utensils needs to be salvaged.

My point is that these are the type of people that make up the majority throughout Somaliweyn.

The negative narratives they have , yet they are suffering from droughts , famine , starvation , unfortunately it can be reversed , besides the naturally disasters , many of these circumstances were man made if we pay close attention to it.
When the soil is as fertile as the plains of Transvaal, they have the third largest fisheries in the world, millions of eggs and tadpoles a lucrative commodity.
The foreigners have seen their ignorance and consider their stupidity and misfortunes as a blessing as long these jaahiliin are busy plundering , the more they can exploit from this untapped region.

And yes , awaay dadka dhulka lahaa, nasiib daro sidaan ayay wada yihiin

Our pioneers in the diasporan entangled in nonsense like this , our youths migrating outside to become a welfare recipients depending the rest of their lives on handouts , our political delinquents enriching themselves going to extreme lengths like auctioning the country , bits by bits, like a secondhand garage knowing that the stupid masses will never confront them because waa isku tol.
Unfortunately.
Somalis have no sense of nationalism. Its the mentality they have that hinders any progress.
Mark my words if these people continue this pace Somalia will cease to exist in the future without being balkanized . The entire world see the potential in the land and yes if I am blunt about many dont give a shit about the current state of Somalia. Many would prefer to be in that predicament a refugee scattered worldwide.
 

camelbeater11

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I've been saying this for a while, I really doubt Somalia will get better or even exist in the decades to come. The damage is done and we probably are one of the first modern examples of what happens to your people when the government falls apart and stays that way for quite a while, basically development is probably impossible.
 
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Shimbiris

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Silly alarmism, walaal. And the Somali diaspora is a meme. The majority of Somalis still live in East Africa at a population of 30-35 million. The overall diaspora, not just in the west, amounted to about 2 million people by a UN 2015 estimate. This whole "Most Somalis are leaving! OMG!" stuff is just alarmism. No different from all the silly fears around reer Madowweyne supposedly stealing Koonfur and being the majority there.
 

4head

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No real community solidarity (outside of common tribal chants and dances), no real strong role models (for both, the young men and women), real loss of identity, tribal nationalism over the good of all Somalis.


I gave up on Somalis ever since they single-handlingly destroyed our local Somali Association (that, my mother and I built for our community).
For what reasons did they abrupted their only hope as a Community?

Because of tribal rivalry.


Reer Lamagoodles are now far from my own considerations, as i'm the only person that matters in my life.
(I still hope there may be other ways to improve this shit ass of ethnicity, but I cannot bring something new for the Two-clothed.)
 

J-Rasta

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No real community solidarity (outside of common tribal chants and dances), no real strong role models (for both, the young men and women), real loss of identity, tribal nationalism over the good of all Somalis.


I gave up on Somalis ever since they single-handlingly destroyed our local Somali Association (that, my mother and I built for our community).
For what reasons did they abrupted their only hope as a Community?

Because of tribal rivalry.


Reer Lamagoodles are now far from my own considerations, as i'm the only person that matters in my life.
(I still hope there may be other ways to improve this shit ass of ethnicity, but I cannot bring something new for the Two-clothed.)
Yes, no sense of community throughout the diasporas , I guess this is common
re-ocurrance wherever Somalis are , no solidarity , they are aligned along clan lines.
That is where the problems lie.
We still struggle to find a middle ground putting our differences aside , to the point some stupid individuals teaching clan boundaries to foreigners and for the outside world to see how disengaged Somalis can be to their own identities.
Thus the international community justifying that homogeneity is non existent throughout the peninsula, eventhough at estimate 85% of these Geeljires pray to the same Qibla, speak the same , trace the same ancestor and are fractured into million pieces.

Instilling that shit to their children , imagine indoctrinating all that hatred, hysteria and cuqdad to the ripe minds , it will affect their upbringings and their very view of lives.

Take reer FKD as core examples , I can bet that many have either left as babies or had never set a foot in the homeland and you can see with your own naked eyes what they are upto.
They are far worse than the qabiil ridden welfare recipient Suugo intellectuals rambling on YT sida Dabcasar iyo Dahir Calasow.
War bisinka you may think something horrible had happened to them but nah , they hold resentment.

Honestly this is bad , we are our own boogeyman , deteriorating as I'm currently writing this, it seems like they are on par with the Indians when it comes to caste system.
The third generation still practice it and the upcoming Somalis and their future generations can fit into that category.

I myself have faced discrimination fromy fellow countrymen , yet living in a country as vulnerable minority.

I understand ,sxb, your point of view , I have given up on many times , to the point I contemplated about the sole existence of Somalis, in other words waan ka samray arimaha qusaysa Soomaaliya, practicing individualism, despite my utmost efforts trying to pinpoint the exact obstacles undermining us , it is always the negativities outweighing the positives, thus these core elements tarnishing the reputations to those genuine Somalis attemping to uplift shed a light. Are in a task of complexities.
AUN Hodan Nalayeh was an examplary Somali , I remember when she was alive , there were countless threads ridiculing her , even resorting to derogatory remarks , did that ever stop here from shedding a light in Somalia , she left Canada to a war ravaged nation because she loved her nation , it was her passion , till the end.
Don't see these people mourning her , they were the same people yesterday insulting the very few people bringing positivity.

And that's 101 Somalia , for you , those that help will be verbally abused ,
So , when people lose the momentum and give up because their people are contended to live that shit cycle of life , never changing but only bringing more comprises expect more people to be critical.

Yet, the narrow minded would interpret this as a sign of defeat , hardly differentiating their bubbles of delusions and what is reality, since they are out of touch of this world , people that viciously practice mob mentality silencing the critical thinkers and resorting to all sorts of label.

I have been labelled a , self loather , ridiculed , dismissed and yeah
Somalis know how to accumulate things blowing out of proportion.

For example Wode Maya landed in Mogadishu , asides from Drew Binsky who also went there, SM influencers going to risk themselves just to show the world the positive sides of that city , is a rarity, since channels like The People (a generic Russian channel synamous for displaying negatives) and many western based media are known to portray us that way
And yet this Ghanaian without landing on the tarmac was horrified to what he saw , the national security forces and airport officials brawling.
He felt unsafe and no , he didn't book a return ticket but decided to fly elsewhere in the country !
He showed the world the Somalia he couldn't cover footage , Somaliland.

Ask yourself what happened , look at the Twitter stats , they are threatening to shut down his channel constantly spamming , press playing report, and he didn't made any horrible remarks about Somalia.

They wanted to abuse like how the Somali bots are known to abuse , the oppositions, those that respectfully disagree , any are publicly boistering they can shut their accounts with the support of dozens of sheeples.
Like a fucking isbaaro checkpoint the exact 1991 mentality.
Shit.
And you wonder why people including Somalis stay away from the likes of them.

I'm glad that this forum is a civillised platform ,
unlike Facebook, Twitter , Youtube and Tiktok.
 

J-Rasta

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Silly alarmism, walaal. And the Somali diaspora is a meme. The majority of Somalis still live in East Africa at a population of 30-35 million. The overall diaspora, not just in the west, amounted to about 2 million people by a UN 2015 estimate. This whole "Most Somalis are leaving! OMG!" stuff is just alarmism. No different from all the silly fears around reer Madowweyne supposedly stealing Koonfur and being the majority there.
Alarmism or not ,sxb
Throughout the past almost three decades of conflict in Somalia, international attention has centred on resolving the political crisis and delivering emergency relief. Yet we are at square one yet again.
No functional central governance since 1991, which has led to the disintegration of the state.
And damnit, yet , you make it seem like higher fertility rates in Somalia, populating , would bring a solution to the underlying issues , isn't that a little too farfetched?
I mean there are many mouths to feed , and as a result to that poverty exists , divisions exist , young people dicing with death exist!
Because of this widespread practice , look, I'm not against it, but a larger population will not have an impact on Somalia, meaning we would be far more worse than than where we are today.

Actually let me make you understand.

Despite the fact this is an ancient practice , bringing more children (especially sons) means representing a form of social and economic capital. Somali society is indeed pastoralist and having larger families are needed to care for herds. Having a number of surviving children also provides security and a vouch for parents in old age. That is according to the average Somali.

Did a large population impacted Somalis or exacerbated the crisis we are currently facing?
Given the rate that 30 million may or may not exceed to double , in the following decades , if we continue the exact pace , we face far more serious problems,
An overpopulated population with limited education , no prospects, in the lines of abject poverty and are sheerly as ignorant as the current Somalis, will mean more emigration outside for better means.

And many would say that limiting the size of a family goes against the will of God, while others assert that no verse in the Quran identifies contraception as haram, or religiously prohibited.

More population in this current stage is dangerous , we have far more problems than to worry about doubling , we haven't reached that stage , our sovereignty is questionable , since
we are in a stage where we cease to exist as a NATION , so large population would have no significance if we become the KURDS of Africa.

We are a fractured society , disenfranchised , divided pawns and proxy due to the entanglement of divide and conquer tactics
the odds of being annexed are high in the near future.
 

camelbeater11

Deku 💚
No real community solidarity (outside of common tribal chants and dances), no real strong role models (for both, the young men and women), real loss of identity, tribal nationalism over the good of all Somalis.


I gave up on Somalis ever since they single-handlingly destroyed our local Somali Association (that, my mother and I built for our community).
For what reasons did they abrupted their only hope as a Community?

Because of tribal rivalry.


Reer Lamagoodles are now far from my own considerations, as i'm the only person that matters in my life.
(I still hope there may be other ways to improve this shit ass of ethnicity, but I cannot bring something new for the Two-clothed.)
What's your qabil? What was the 'Somali Association?'
 

J-Rasta

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Is it just me or are you more active now than before you said you were done with this place?

:pachah1:
I have mentioned my retirement plan ,sxb, and I made my departure clear , I have not mentioned the specific time or date , hence I will partially participate in discussion. Since time is of essence , I'd only give in my honest opinion whenever I can.
It doesn't define I am here for longer duration.
You're missing out lot , sxb , see when I was previously active , my posts were as vast as the Indian Ocean , sailors would get lost in the midst, ending up ashore like Robinson Crusoe meaning that
I have reached a milestone , unfortunately I have lost that round to the gentleman @Snacks and @DR OSMAN hence I am only using 5% of my powers.


But nonetheless, the oldies still see me as a heavyweight so yeah Mr Rasta is open to the criticism , being Rasta and authentic.

And also I am a millennial but in reality I think like an old timer , ngl though my drip is fresher than the many damnit kkkk
Forget about the last sentence.
:snoop::mjkkk:
 
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J-Rasta

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We will become the new harla of the horn
That would be a scary situation , we are currently half way there , the Harla people were only honestly a unique and in large numbers , do you think they were incorporated assimilated between the Adal and Axumite empires.

The people of Hararghe, Baale , Shinile and Booraame may have some traces of them.
But yeah time would ,
intermixing create new groups of people , identities and cultures.
 
Silly alarmism, walaal. And the Somali diaspora is a meme. The majority of Somalis still live in East Africa at a population of 30-35 million. The overall diaspora, not just in the west, amounted to about 2 million people by a UN 2015 estimate. This whole "Most Somalis are leaving! OMG!" stuff is just alarmism. No different from all the silly fears around reer Madowweyne supposedly stealing Koonfur and being the majority there.
There’s absolutely no way we are 30-35 million people. More like 25 million people MAX if you also include the diaspora (Western countries).

Even if Rasta is an alarmist, that will hopefully wake people up to see that their country is being chipped away piece by piece.

But Rasta, I agree with you though. Unless something drastic happens, we will find ourselves in the history books hundreds of years later talking about “There was once a country called Somalia in East Africa, but the inhabitants were too short sighted and fought each other across clan lines that the country ended up out of their hands.”
 

Shimbiris

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There’s absolutely no way we are 30-35 million people. More like 25 million people MAX if you also include the diaspora (Western countries).

You are literally arguing with data, abaayo.

:pachah1:

15 million for Somalia is solid. Nearly 3 million for NFD is solid too. Half a million for Jabuuti is also solid. It's only Galbeed that's a bit iffy. Seen a recent Ethiopian census claim about 15 million (dunno why Xabashis would lie) but earlier ones imply 6-10 million. So you have a range of 25-35 depending on Galbeed. And again, dunno why Xabashis would lie. And either way, the point still stands. The diaspora is miniscule compared to the population in East-Africa. There are more Sijus than there are Somalis outside of the Horn and Kenya.
 
You are literally arguing with data, abaayo.

:pachah1:

15 million for Somalia is solid. Nearly 3 million for NFD is solid too. Half a million for Jabuuti is also solid. It's only Galbeed that's a bit iffy. Seen a recent Ethiopian census claim about 15 million (dunno why Xabashis would lie) but earlier ones imply 6-10 million. So you have a range of 25-35 depending on Galbeed. And again, dunno why Xabashis would lie.
I wouldn’t make that statement unless I didn’t see your post. There is no source for your “data.” Just a bunch of numbers from god knows where. And if your argument is that Xabashis wouldn’t lie, well then I’ve got a beach house to sell you in Idaho.
 

Shimbiris

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I wouldn’t make that statement unless I didn’t see your post. There is no source for your “data.” Just a bunch of numbers from god knows where. And if your argument is that Xabashis wouldn’t lie, well then I’ve got a beach house to sell you in Idaho.

What? No sources? Just google for Somalia, Jabuuti and Kenya. These stats are commonplace, recent and well-known. And why would they lie, though? According to all the alarmists on this forum Xabashis apparently want to genocide and ethnic cleanse Galbeed Somalis. So why claim in a 2017 census that they are 15 million strong?
 
What? No sources? Just google for Somalia, Jabuuti and Kenya. These stats are commonplace, recent and well-known. And why would they lie, though? According to all the alarmists on this forum Xabashis apparently want to genocide and ethnic cleanse Galbeed Somalis. So why claim in a 2017 census that they are 15 million strong?
Don’t be obtuse. I was referring to the fact the YOUR post did not contain any sources.

Anyways, I don’t want to go on and on about this.
 

Shimbiris

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Don’t be obtuse. I was referring to the fact the YOUR post did not contain any sources.

Anyways, I don’t want to go on and on about this.

Why on Earth should I bloody waste time linking things you can just google in five seconds? Are you that lazy? But sure, here are some sources:

Galbeed (2017 estimate for Galbeed is 11 million which is perfectly plausible since they claim it was at 7.5 million in 2007 and 10 million by 2013)

And you still haven't explained why Ethiopians would inflate the numbers of Galbeed Somalis.
 
Why on Earth should I bloody waste time linking things you can just google in five seconds? Are you that lazy? But sure, here are some sources:

Galbeed (2017 estimate for Galbeed is 11 million which is perfectly plausible since they claim it was at 7.5 million in 2007 and 10 million by 2013)

And you still haven't explained why Ethiopians would inflate the numbers of Galbeed Somalis.
According to this Somalia had one of the lowest rural fertility rates (typical for nomadic populations) in the 2007 ethiopia census.
 
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