Why Puntland is a wolf in sheep's clothing

[Abdurahman_somali]

Let us take a look at the Constitution of Puntland and you realize why Puntland is a bigger threat to the unity of Somalia than even the self declared Republic Somaliland or foreign entities like Ethiopia and Kenya.

http://puntlandvoice.com/akhriso-dastuurka-cusub-ee-dowlada-puntland/

Article 1 section 1-4

1. Dawladda Puntland waa qayb ka mid ah Soomaaliya, xil ayaana ka saaran hirgelinta Dawlad Soomaaliyeed oo ku dhisan habka Federaaliga ah.
2. Awoodaha Dawladda Puntland ay ku wareejin doonto dawladda Federaalka ah ee Soomaaliya iyo xuquuqaha ay yeelanayso Puntland, waxa ay ku imaanayaan wada xaajood iyo heshiis dhexmara Dawladda Federaalka iyo Dawladda Puntland, laguna qeexi doono Dastuurka Federaalka ee Soomaaliya.
3. Inta laga dhammaystirayo Dastuur federaal ah oo Puntland ansixisay (ratified), dabadeedna afti dadweyne lagu meelmariyey, Puntland waxay lahaaneysaa awood Dawlad madaxbannaan.
4. Dawladda Puntland waxaa u bannaanaanaysa in ay dib u eegto arrimaha ku xusan faqradaha 1aad, 2aad iyo 3aad ee isla qodobkan, haddii:
(b) Soomaalida ku heshiin weydo qaab-dhismeed dawladeed oo aan ka hooseyn nidaamka Federaaliga.
(t) Ay daba dheeraadaan daganaansho la’aanta iyo dagaallada ka aloosan qaybaha kale ee Soomaaliya.

Nothing special in the first two section of the article one. The first one says that Puntland is part of Somalia and has a duty to help Somalia to implement a federal system. In the second section it says that Puntland will go into negotiations with the federal gov to decide the new power sharing system. Till here it sounds still reasonable. How ever let us take a look at the third and fourth section of the first article.

The third section is very problematic and shows the true Colors of this clan enclave region. It says until Somalia gets a national one man one vote constitutional election, Puntland will operate like an independent country. Who gave them the right to decide this ? This is the first step of separatism and shows you that PL has no intentions to be part of Somalia. Where is actually the difference to Somaliland, despite them claiming with their tongue that they support a Federal Somalia ? They want to operate like an independent country, but still compete to be the president of the FGS ? A soon as one of them becomes President or PM they would immediately change. I think the main reason they hate N&N is that the IC recognizes only them as the sovereign entity of the country, hence PL always cut ties with the FGS or even called for "Confederalism" recently.

The fourth section is even worse. It literally says if Somalia does NOT implement a federal system OR Somalia stays unstable - In either of the two cases Puntland has the right to rethink all of the above mentioned sections, which includes that Puntland is part of Somalia. Yes you are reading right guys, they actually have a secession clause, if Somalia for example wants another system than the federal one.

Article 5 section 1

DHULKA IYO SOHDIMAHA
1. Dhulka Puntland waxa uu ka kooban yahay gobollada Bari, Nugaal, Sool, Cayn, karkaar, Gobolka Waqooyiga Mudug, Heylaan iyo Gobolka Bariga Sanaag.

The first section of the fifth article is again a good representation for what Puntland is. Their claimed borders are not problematic in Bari and Nugaal, since this two regions are mainly inhabited by one clan, due to the lack of resources. It becomes problematic when they want to split 4 of the 18 regions that Somalia used to be pre civil war. They claim that every district that has a few Harti is part of their region. This includes Togdheer, Sool, Sanaag and Mudug. This is NOT federalism, but tribalism and won't work, because every of the 18 regions, except for Bari and Nugaal is shared between many tribes. We the outcome of this system in the south, especially in the south.

I could go on and on with the "constitution" of Puntland but let us finish with one funny article.

Article 4 section 1-2

1. Dadka Dawladda Puntland waa dadka haysta jinsiyadda Puntland.
2. Muwaadinnimada Puntland waxaa difaacaya sharci gaar ah, waxaana qeexaya xeer gaar ah sida lagu heli karo ama lagu waayi karo jinsiyadda Puntland.

"The people of Puntland have the nationality of Puntland". No comment from me, because section two is even funnier. "The citizenship of Puntland will protected by a special law and there will we a special law that will decide how one can get or revoked his PL citizenship." Wallahi you can't make this shit up.

It is funny how Puntlanders ... sorry i meant "Puntites" (Don't forget they have a nationality) use terms like secessionists when they are the biggest pseudo secessionists out there. Why can't they just choose a side and then stay there ?

@Fiidmeer @Factz @Gucci mane @Mckenzie @kickz @DRACO @Lex Luther @merka @Boqor Quark Boqor Cisman @Crow

What do you think guys, can Puntites and Somalis have good relations in the future ?

 

[Arma]

It is funny how Puntlanders ... sorry i meant "Puntites" (Don't forget they have a nationality) use terms like secessionists when they are the biggest pseudo secessionists out there. Why can't they just choose a side and then stay there ?

Neither. We MJs/Puntites have a motto:

"What's mine, is mine, what yours, is also mine"

We have our cake, and eat it. Thats why ex and current presidents, Gaas and Deni, are fat: lots of cake on the menu.

 

[repo]

tldr: Puntland is a threat because they claim Harti lands and that's a threat to the secessionists bid for statehood.

 

[repo]

Neither. We MJs/Puntites have a motto:

"What's mine, is mine, what yours, is also mine"

We have our cake, and eat it. Thats why ex and current presidents, Gaas and Deni, are fat: lots of cake on the menu.

Puntland successfully stopped their recognition bid in 1998 with the compromise of federalism.

 

[Arma]

You can breathe, you can blink, you can cry.......hell, the whole of Somaliweyn will be doing that, because of us, and what we have done in the past, and will continue to do in the future.

So please, people of, Waqoyi Galbeed, Sool, Central regions, and Gedo.....keep it up. Keep up with the hate, the jealousy, the bitterness......thats what fuels our ambitions, and mindset.

All your tears, is what we drink for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

 

[Abdalla]

Neither. We MJs/Puntites have a motto:

"What's mine, is mine, what yours, is also mine"

We have our cake, and eat it. Thats why ex and current presidents, Gaas and Deni, are fat: lots of cake on the menu.

Gaas and Deni are fat because they eat Puntite cake, Cumar Cabdirashiid is fat because he eats Mogadishu cake. What's mine is mine, what's yours we share

 

[Abdurahman_somali]

You can breathe, you can blink, you can cry.......hell, the whole of Somaliweyn will be doing that, because of us, and what we have done in the past, and will continue to do in the future.

So please, people of, Waqoyi Galbeed, Sool, Central regions, and Gedo.....keep it up. Keep up with the hate, the jealousy, the bitterness......thats what fuels our ambitions, and mindset.

All your tears, is what we drink for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

Bro don't take this personal walle, but what the f*ck should we be jealous of ? This is fucking Puntland and not a first world country like the united states.

This is how Hargeysa looks:

This is how Muqdisho looks:


This is how Garoowe looks:


What the f*ck..Why should Somaliwayn be jealous of ? Hargeysa looks like a Metropole which needs a little bit more infrastructure (mainly paved streets) and Muqdisho just needs peace it already looks like a decent city. Garoowe on the other hand looks like a quarter of the quarter of Hargeysa. Remind me, we what is so special about you ?


Secondly it is you guys that make 1000 threads about "Waqooyi Galbeed" , "Sool" , "Gedo" and "central regions". You guys love to create a non existing enemy for yourself. Is that the region you cant decide for seccession or union ?

 

[Ayubi]

Gaas and Deni are fat because they eat Puntite cake, Cumar Cabdirashiid is fat because he eats Mogadishu cake. What's mine is mine, what's yours we share

Sometimes being a fat politician is cool lmaooo, it just means the man has a lot of money.

 

[Tukraq]

Let us take a look at the Constitution of Puntland and you realize why Puntland is a bigger threat to the unity of Somalia than even the self declared Republic Somaliland or foreign entities like Ethiopia and Kenya.

http://puntlandvoice.com/akhriso-dastuurka-cusub-ee-dowlada-puntland/

Article 1 section 1-4


Nothing special in the first two section of the article one. The first one says that Puntland is part of Somalia and has a duty to help Somalia to implement a federal system. In the second section it says that Puntland will go into negotiations with the federal gov to decide the new power sharing system. Till here it sounds still reasonable. How ever let us take a look at the third and fourth section of the first article.

The third section is very problematic and shows the true Colors of this clan enclave region. It says until Somalia gets a national one man one vote constitutional election, Puntland will operate like an independent country. Who gave them the right to decide this ? This is the first step of separatism and shows you that PL has no intentions to be part of Somalia. Where is actually the difference to Somaliland, despite them claiming with their tongue that they support a Federal Somalia ? They want to operate like an independent country, but still compete to be the president of the FGS ? A soon as one of them becomes President or PM they would immediately change. I think the main reason they hate N&N is that the IC recognizes only them as the sovereign entity of the country, hence PL always cut ties with the FGS or even called for "Confederalism" recently.

The fourth section is even worse. It literally says if Somalia does NOT implement a federal system OR Somalia stays unstable - In either of the two cases Puntland has the right to rethink all of the above mentioned sections, which includes that Puntland is part of Somalia. Yes you are reading right guys, they actually have a secession clause, if Somalia for example wants another system than the federal one.

Article 5 section 1



The first section of the fifth article is again a good representation for what Puntland is. Their claimed borders are not problematic in Bari and Nugaal, since this two regions are mainly inhabited by one clan, due to the lack of resources. It becomes problematic when they want to split 4 of the 18 regions that Somalia used to be pre civil war. They claim that every district that has a few Harti is part of their region. This includes Togdheer, Sool, Sanaag and Mudug. This is NOT federalism, but tribalism and won't work, because every of the 18 regions, except for Bari and Nugaal is shared between many tribes. We the outcome of this system in the south, especially in the south.

I could go on and on with the "constitution" of Puntland but let us finish with one funny article.

Article 4 section 1-2



"The people of Puntland have the nationality of Puntland". No comment from me, because section two is even funnier. "The citizenship of Puntland will protected by a special law and there will we a special law that will decide how one can get or revoked his PL citizenship." Wallahi you can't make this shit up.

It is funny how Puntlanders ... sorry i meant "Puntites" (Don't forget they have a nationality) use terms like secessionists when they are the biggest pseudo secessionists out there. Why can't they just choose a side and then stay there ?

@Fiidmeer @Factz @Gucci mane @Mckenzie @kickz @DRACO @Lex Luther @merka @Boqor Quark Boqor Cisman @Crow

What do you think guys, can Puntites and Somalis have good relations in the future ?

I don't get what your talking about?, were the harti state of somalia, and were pro union and pro federalism, especially a US system of federalism, but until theres an actual government with one man one vote and not a transitional one like we have today we have to and have the right to take matters into our own hands as agreed upon on the constitution

 

[Abdalla]

OP didn't tag me because he knows I'll hold a mirror in front of him and show him than his HY clan needs his attention more than anything. MJ is no threat to HY, his fellow isaqs are the ones that arrest his brothers and sisters, their journalists are arrested, their clan elders, their female poets with rape in prison. There are people that want to turn you into a second class citizen yet you focus on Puntland.

Misplaced priorities.

 

[merka]

Let us take a look at the Constitution of Puntland and you realize why Puntland is a bigger threat to the unity of Somalia than even the self declared Republic Somaliland or foreign entities like Ethiopia and Kenya.

http://puntlandvoice.com/akhriso-dastuurka-cusub-ee-dowlada-puntland/

Article 1 section 1-4


Nothing special in the first two section of the article one. The first one says that Puntland is part of Somalia and has a duty to help Somalia to implement a federal system. In the second section it says that Puntland will go into negotiations with the federal gov to decide the new power sharing system. Till here it sounds still reasonable. How ever let us take a look at the third and fourth section of the first article.

The third section is very problematic and shows the true Colors of this clan enclave region. It says until Somalia gets a national one man one vote constitutional election, Puntland will operate like an independent country. Who gave them the right to decide this ? This is the first step of separatism and shows you that PL has no intentions to be part of Somalia. Where is actually the difference to Somaliland, despite them claiming with their tongue that they support a Federal Somalia ? They want to operate like an independent country, but still compete to be the president of the FGS ? A soon as one of them becomes President or PM they would immediately change. I think the main reason they hate N&N is that the IC recognizes only them as the sovereign entity of the country, hence PL always cut ties with the FGS or even called for "Confederalism" recently.

The fourth section is even worse. It literally says if Somalia does NOT implement a federal system OR Somalia stays unstable - In either of the two cases Puntland has the right to rethink all of the above mentioned sections, which includes that Puntland is part of Somalia. Yes you are reading right guys, they actually have a secession clause, if Somalia for example wants another system than the federal one.

Article 5 section 1



The first section of the fifth article is again a good representation for what Puntland is. Their claimed borders are not problematic in Bari and Nugaal, since this two regions are mainly inhabited by one clan, due to the lack of resources. It becomes problematic when they want to split 4 of the 18 regions that Somalia used to be pre civil war. They claim that every district that has a few Harti is part of their region. This includes Togdheer, Sool, Sanaag and Mudug. This is NOT federalism, but tribalism and won't work, because every of the 18 regions, except for Bari and Nugaal is shared between many tribes. We the outcome of this system in the south, especially in the south.

I could go on and on with the "constitution" of Puntland but let us finish with one funny article.

Article 4 section 1-2



"The people of Puntland have the nationality of Puntland". No comment from me, because section two is even funnier. "The citizenship of Puntland will protected by a special law and there will we a special law that will decide how one can get or revoked his PL citizenship." Wallahi you can't make this shit up.

It is funny how Puntlanders ... sorry i meant "Puntites" (Don't forget they have a nationality) use terms like secessionists when they are the biggest pseudo secessionists out there. Why can't they just choose a side and then stay there ?

@Fiidmeer @Factz @Gucci mane @Mckenzie @kickz @DRACO @Lex Luther @merka @Boqor Quark Boqor Cisman @Crow

What do you think guys, can Puntites and Somalis have good relations in the future ?

The constitution shows the cognitive dissonance among Puntlanders. As a people they do not have a consensus on their political status in regards to Somalia. The constitution was a compromise among the various political factions, with the centralists who still want to be part of Somalia & the secessionists who wish to follow Somaliland and be completely independent from Mogadishu.

There was an internal civil war between these groups in the early 2000s about this very case. If Puntland does declare independence from Somalia it will reignite these flames & thrust the region into conflict once again.

 

[Hassan Garguute Buldanana]

@Abdurahman_somali Nothing new here. We dont hide our intentions and run away like you secessionists. Sxb, we dont have a constitution and till we get one as a nation, PL takes care of its affairs. How is that unreasonable? Who are we suppose to wait for to get funds for development like the Airports, Ceel dahir- Cerigaabo road, Makhir university, Garowe- Galkacyo road etc? This requires us to negotiate with Governments boowe. A nigga in a tank in xamar will surely not bring us development.

 

[Arma]

Bro don't take this personal walle, but what the f*ck should we be jealous of ? This is fucking Puntland and not a first world country like the united states.

This is how Hargeysa looks:

This is how Muqdisho looks:


This is how Garoowe looks:


What the f*ck..Why should Somaliwayn be jealous of ? Hargeysa looks like a Metropole which needs a little bit more infrastructure (mainly paved streets) and Muqdisho just needs peace it already looks like a decent city. Garoowe on the other hand looks like a quarter of the quarter of Hargeysa. Remind me, we what is so special about you ?


Secondly it is you guys that make 1000 threads about "Waqooyi Galbeed" , "Sool" , "Gedo" and "central regions". You guys love to create a non existing enemy for yourself. Is that the region you cant decide for seccession or union ?

And yet, we're the ones blocking your separatist Hope's and Dreams, and forcing Federalism, on the South.

Like I said, keep it up, boy.

 

[Abdurahman_somali]

OP didn't tag me because he knows I'll hold a mirror in front of him and show him than his HY clan needs his attention more than anything. MJ is no threat to HY, his fellow isaqs are the ones that arrest his brothers and sisters, their journalists are arrested, their clan elders, their female poets with rape in prison. There are people that want to turn you into a second class citizen yet you focus on Puntland.

Misplaced priorities.

And what has all of this to do with the fact that PL is a wolf in sheep's clothing ?

@Abdurahman_somali Nothing new here. We dont hide our intentions and run away like you secessionists. Sxb, we dont have a constitution and till we get one as a nation, PL takes care of its affairs. How is that unreasonable? Who are we suppose to wait for to get funds for development like the Airports, Ceel dahir- Cerigaabo road, Makhir university, Garowe- Galkacyo road etc? This requires us to negotiate with Governments boowe. A nigga in a tank in xamar will surely not bring us development.

Good that you admit it, but half time Seccionism and half time unionism won't work for eternity.

 

[Abdurahman_somali]

And yet, we're the ones blocking your separatist Hope's and Dreams, and forcing Federalism, on the South.

Like I said, keep it up, boy.

Is that why you cried recently for confederalism ?

 

[Tukraq]

And what has all of this to do with the fact that PL is a wold in sheep's clothing ?


Good that you admit it, but half time Seccionism and half time unionism won't work for eternity.

we support unionism under federalism when the constitutional convention is completed and agreed upon, and the final civilian elected government is in place and not a transitional one, before then the harti state of somalia needs to handle its own matters as agreed upon by the constitution, right now were in a transitional period

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Puntland has never hid its intentions to protect itself in the case of a disaster. Why would we not have a clause that protects us?

You didn't invent independence, you did not invent anything, so instead of worrying about Puntland, worry about why your triangle state is imploding and the habars are rif riffing each other in the mountains?

Running out of qamadi?

 

[Hassan Garguute Buldanana]

And what has all of this to do with the fact that PL is a wolf in sheep's clothing ?


Good that you admit it, but half time Seccionism and half time unionism won't work for eternity.

How? Ilahay baan naleh, we cant wait for decades for a benevolent abbo figure like @nomand folks to bring us development. We dont believe in that shit. We could have run away and hide like your people but we had a country to save boowe.

 

[Bohol]

No one cares cause Puntland is harmless (at least to my interests but not secessionist interests).Pland doesn't have the means to claim Sanaag & Sool forcefully other than voluntarily (eastern Sanaag).

 

[Louis Vuitton Don]

No one cares cause Puntland is harmless (at least to my interests but not secessionist interests).Pland doesn't have the means to claim Sanaag & Sool forcefully other than voluntarily (eastern Sanaag).

To be fair, no one in all of Somalia has the means to claim any territory with “their army”

Bunch of rag tag one qabil dominated militias with old weapons.