Wrong again. HG have been in the city since the mid 1900s. The issue between the dominant clans of the city has been resolved a while ago. You should move on just as they have
Why Mogadishu has the most developed private sector in Somalia ?
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Comparing a civil war to a genocideI heard of holocaust deniers, now we have 1991 deniers. You new-generation Hawiyes are a trip.
So dramatic
I would like to coin a new term called "Hawiye-splaining".
It is when Hawiye deny they have ever committed any crimes during the civil war and they lie, gaslight and patronise you when you bring it up.
This book is a good look into what they did and why we had to flee to refugee camps all over the world.
It is when Hawiye deny they have ever committed any crimes during the civil war and they lie, gaslight and patronise you when you bring it up.
This book is a good look into what they did and why we had to flee to refugee camps all over the world.
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Yeah both of you are staunch AY supporters. The jokes write themselves
Lol bringing up specific old posts of mine is like bringing up a celebrityβs old tweets.
For every AY support post I made, I have 10 in which I show balanced opinions towards Somali politics.
I donβt blame you supporting USC, all of us are somewhat biased but denying what they did is not helping anyone.
I think we both know what you're doing. If I praised Italians for laying down the infrastructure of Mogadishu & being better than British up north doesn't mean that I agree with all aspects of Italian colonialism but it means I can acknowledge the good things they've done.
Speak about yourself and you own upbringing dhiladi ku xaarti wasse. It's not my fault facts hurt your fickle precious feelings about Somali nationalism or your subjected self image. Italians built Mogadishu and developed south Somalia much more than north that's the contention. You raving about how bad is colonialism has nothing to do with the topic at hand when your first quoted me ya ibni al kaleb.
You haven't added anything ΩΨ§ ΨΩΩΨ§Ω your own sources agrees with me no famine was registered in Somalia from 1880-1960. However 3 famines were registered in 1975, 1993 and 2011.
| 1974-75 | Somalia | 20,000 | 20,000 | 20,000 |
| 1991-93 | Somalia | 360,000 | 220,000 | 500,000 |
| 2011 | Somalia | 255,000 | 255,000 | 255,000 |
Your very own source debunks famine claims during Italian rule, all 3 famines happened after
1960.
Your other source (country studies) clearly says Italians established a comprehensive plan to develop its Italian colony.
"The two decades between 1900 and 1920 were a period of colonial consolidation. However, of the colonial powers that had divided the Somalis, only Italy developed a comprehensive administrative plan for its colony. The Italians intended to plant a colony of settlers and commercial entrepreneurs in the region between the Shabeelle and Jubba rivers in southern Somalia. The motivation was threefold: to "relieve population pressure at home," to offer the "civilizing Roman mission" to the Somalis, and to increase Italian prestige through overseas colonization. Initiated by Governor Carletti (1906-10), Italy's colonial program received further impetus by the introduction of fascist ideology and economic planning in the 1920s, particularly during the administration of Governor Cesare Maria de Vecchi de Val Cismon. Large-scale development projects were launched, including a system of plantations on which citrus fruits, primarily bananas, and sugarcane, were grown. Sugarcane fields in Giohar and numerous banana plantations around the town of Jannaale on the Shabeelle River, and at the southern mouth of the Jubba River near Chisimayu, helped transform southern Somalia's economy."
See keleb yaho kelbata dashay. Your own source proved you don't read the links you post. Just another diaspora kid high on pan Somalnimo fart who wish to keep Italian oppression stick deep in his rectum.
Beenta joji walaalo ma nihin ha ii habarin, sharmutdada siilka qarmun ah aad kaso baxday isku hooyo isku aboo ma nehin. Abaha oo hoyada dekada ku wasse ee shahwada siilked ku shubay wax alla lah qarabad ama xidiid ama tol ah waxba isku ma nehin.
Garac garaac dhalay, suuli iyo qodafad ku dex koray naclad iyo inkaar ayaad qabta. Bakhti foqol bakhti.
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Abdisamad
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I heard of holocaust deniers, now we have 1991 deniers. You new-generation Hawiyes are a trip.
This is an insult to all my family members down in South Somalia who was killed simply for not being hawiye.
Abdisamad
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These hΓΌtΓΌs are delusional, mugadisho is far from developed and on top there are thousands of bantu soldiers to keep watch over the zoo people so they don't chimp out and destroy what little development the international community has forced through during the last 10-15 years after (AUN) president Abdullahi Yusuf brought governance to the place...So yall conveniently forget most IC aid including Turkish construction goes straight to Xamar which trickles down. Where were these high IQ folks before the return of Government? Why donβt we see these high iq people in Galnus or Hirhsabelle?
Kids
My family were MJs that lived in Xamar and I can tell you these ppl are capping.
My dads extended family felt the wrath of USC despite not supporting Barre.
Abdisamad
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The usc killed many of my family members as well they also looted everything from the homes and businesses people like @rocktheboat305 are trying to deny this ever happened
Abdisamad
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What would you call looting, raping and killing a bunch of defenceless civilians? A walk in the park? Fighting for freedom?Comparing a civil war to a genocide
reer
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abdiqasim salad hassan was left alone. and omar arte qalib. while darod kacanists were hunted. no principles. lmao.
What is the difference between what usc did in xamar and what the SNA did in hargeisa?
What is the difference between what usc did in xamar and what the SNA did in hargeisa?
You are completely right.
Pretty much every aspect of Somalia was shit during colonialism. Like I said this is like a Congolese praising the Belgians for the little infrastructure they built. A bit of an exaggerated comparison but you get the gist.
Did you just quote the place where they describe cash crops being grown?
Again they were detrimental to the Somali's. The companies were owned by Italians and that's where the profit went.
I literally just rescinded my famine claim you mong. Somalia had the usual cash crop monopoly rule on it that's famous for causing malnutrition in the general pop. Add to that Somalia would rely on imported produce setting it up to crash and burn when it entered the world market.
ourworldindata.org is a list of official data dameeryahow kulaha there aren't any famines registered. At least the kacaan had the foresight to record this shit instead of leaving us to sift through colonial sources. You think in an increase in cash crops, blockades, conflicts and relying on food importation hasn't caused any increase in malnutrition? Drought coupled with bad agricultural policies or conflicts will no doubt affect the population. South Sudan is the best example of that.
Your qabil got bummed by a bunch of Italians for protection and instead of being ashamed of it you go out of your way to defend it because of pride, like I said your qabil leaders had the moral integrity of a crackwhore and so do you. My self image is good, I don't try to hold a population getting kufsi'd as something to be proud about because you don't want to lose the little pride you have. It's like a kufis victim trying to tell you mala kufsin, for all the talk about fickle shit you're yet to acknowledge cadaan saviourskaygi inay ku isticmalen and abused you then ditched. Only this time you're subtly admitting it but trying to spin it as a good thing.
Kkkkk qurbojoog o dad gumeystey ka faanayo ayaad tahay. Abtirsi o dhil0 iyo dad diig la'aan ayad ka imaatey, Go on keep defending the scum of the Earth that let their people live in rafaad for power nacaala donfaarka o ku dalay iyo a abahay o xaywaan kaas waasey yu yaal.
Abdisamad
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Are you slow or something?What is the difference between what usc did in xamar and what the SNA did in hargeisa?
Abdisamad
VIP
My family weren't even part of the government, the usc were looting and killing people based on qabiil not whether they were part of the government or anything.
Stupid comparison, Italians did not massacre Somalis whole sale and a lot of the agriculture products was consumed within Somalia itself. After independence Somali people nationalized all farms and corp production assets so yes they did benefit from it.
Detrimental kulaha Somalia had no agriculture base to begin with those prime farmland would stay a bush if it wasn't for Italian investment. Does producing food and exporting half of it is worse than 0 production from the first place? Your very own source says:
A βGrandiose Future for Italian Somaliaβ: Colonial Developmentalist Discourse, Agricultural Planning, and Forced Labor (1900β1940)
Was there some negative aspect of Italian investment? Sure but it was a net positive going by figures of Banana, Sugar, Maize & Sorghum exports of that period.
Banana constituted half of Somalia's export, almost self sufficient in sugar maize sorghum and 20% of the population worked in agriculture sector.
1- Yes official data by OWID yourown source, it registered Somalia you went back on it like the slippery cuntyou are. Classic doqon futada ka shikenaya. We're talking about Italian Somaliland not British Somaliland.
2- Italy invaded Somaliland in 1940, the so called drought happened in British Somaliland in 1911-13 during the Darawish civil war. So not only are you stupid but a liar as well. British retreated to Berbera signalling Darawish advance and clan wars during a severe drought. How does that have anything to do with Italians causing a famine in southern Somalia? This idiot is trying to rewrite history pining religious insurgency on Italian.
3- We're talking about Somalia not South Sudan so keep your conspiracies theories where the sun doesn't shine. Food production has increased and Somalis benefited from it directly or indirectly. You're talking as if Somalis were already food basket before Italians came what a pathetic argument. Delusional tard.
What pride dumb f*ck do you think denying history and circle jerking over Italian past accomplishments is going to make Somalia a first world country. Can't believe this motherfucker go ahead tell me what Somalia produced after 1960 that does not have Italian fingerprints all over it I'll wait. God knows all your sources backfired khanis yahow futada lagu fuulay. Najis ibn najis nin cadaan ah ayoo farta futadad kaga haya oo ad leeh wuu ii kufsady ma arki karo. Nacala hoyada iyo abaha iyo reerkaga oo dhan futada laga haysto.
reer
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Woke1.4rm.Shibis
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The thread is titled
"Why mogadishu has the most developed private sector in Somalia "
But this jabootian brings in Zurich, New York and Tokyo lol
Mr Thailand of africa when we are discussing who has the cheapest prostitutes in the horn I'll make sure to @ you .
