Why is the Human Soul so Mysterious???

[AussieHustler]

People think medication and life support helps someone brain-dead stay alive when in fact Doctors know the person is medically dead already despite their hearts beating and and they are breathing with the aid of equipment. People are more familiar with and accepting the faster deaths such as the heart failure completely. In this latter case, the brain being medically sound is not helpful because the heart stopped, death is fast. So death is declared immediate. Brain-dead is Doctor-speak for saying "hopeless and will die soon" saxib. There is no life extension by being placed on life support system. It is waiting for the inevitable. They should let people die in peace and without hooking them up to some useless gadgets that give the appearance of help when the clock is really ticking towards the end anyway.

@Schematics

The point is clear, there isn't some obscure thing called the "soul", it is either the brain or the heart. Thanks for coming to that conclusion.

 

[Mighty]

@Schematics

The point is clear, there isn't some obscure thing called the "soul", it is either the brain or the heart. Thanks for coming to that conclusion.

How do you know whether the soul exist or not?

 

[AussieHustler]

How do you know whether the soul exist or not?

@Mighty

I said above that the best of surgeons and scientists couldn’t find it, do you know where they can find it and end this debate for good?

 

[Schematics]

@Mighty

I said above that the best of surgeons and scientists couldn’t find it, do you know where they can find it and end this debate for good?

You are wrong about this bro. In science, they don't use soul but consciousness. And science fails to explain how a piece of highly organized matter (brain) that can be broken down into it's elemental components chemically develops an interior perspective(consciousness).

Science can not answer beyond matter(the stuff everything is made of). All science does is explain how this matter works.

Only someone who does not understand what science does assumes science can address metaphysical issues. Science is limited. It explains life/soul materiastically without saying what both are. It simply can't.

 

[AussieHustler]

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You are wrong about this bro. In science, they don't use soul but consciousness. And science fails to explain how a piece of highly organized matter (brain) that can be broken down into it's elemental components chemically develops an interior perspective(consciousness).

Science can not answer beyond matter(the stuff everything is made of). All science does is explain how this matter works.

Only someone who does not understand what science does assumes science can address metaphysical issues. Science is limited. It explains life/soul materiastically without saying what both are. It simply can't.

@Schematics

Is the consciousness the soul?

 

[Mighty]

@Mighty

I said above that the best of surgeons and scientists couldn’t find it, do you know where they can find it and end this debate for good?

Perhaps you misunderstood what the soul is. it's not something you can physically digest and inquire information about. The best of scientist have different opinions on the metaphysical, infact there are neurologist who turned deist because they thought the best explanation for consciousness is the metaphysical.

 

[Mighty]

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@Schematics

Is the consciousness the soul?

Kinda

 

[AussieHustler]

Kinda

@Mighty

Sxb, it is either the so called soul or it is not, which one?

 

[Mighty]

@Mighty

Sxb, it is either the so called soul or it is not, which one?

Soul is more of a religious term. But lets go with consciousness.

 

[AussieHustler]

Soul is more of a religious term. But lets go with consciousness.

@Mighty

Sxb, enjoy your soul because consciousness is no more than being awareness, or control of movements or arousal of perception & they are all controlled by the brain. Is that true?

 

[Mighty]

@Mighty

Sxb, enjoy your soul because consciousness is no more than being awareness, or control of movements or arousal of perception & they are all controlled by the brain. Is that true?

OKEJ SXB.

 

[Basra]

How do you know whether the soul exist or not?

My Allaah swt has told me so through his beloved messenger. pbuh

 

[Basra]

Every soul shall have a taste of death: And only on the Day of Judgment shall you be paid your full recompense.Only he who is saved far from the Fire and admitted to the Garden will have attained the object (of Life): For the life of this world is but goods and chattels of deception. (Surah Al-Imran, 185)



And keep thy soul content with those who call on their Lord morning and evening, seeking His Face; and let not thine eyes pass beyond them, seeking the pomp and glitter of this Life; no obey any whose heart We have permitted to neglect the remembrance of Us, one who follows his own desires, whose case has gone beyond all bounds. (Surah Al-Kahf, 28)

 

[Abdalla]

When someone refers to specific verses in Quran in relation to the topic, their ranks are immediately raised in my eyes. It's a sign intelligence and being well read.

 

[Abdalla]

Interesting that according to the Quran we have our souls taken in our sleep. This serves as a reminder that death like sleep is not permanent.

You misunderstood the analogy between death and sleep. Unless you mean we will wake up from our death to face our eternal life.

Death is indeed permanent. The Jews think the fire will only touch them for a few days, illa ayaaman ma'duudah

 

[kickz]

You misunderstood the analogy between death and sleep. Unless you mean we will wake up from our death to face our eternal life.

Death is indeed permanent. The Jews think the fire will only touch them for a few days, illa ayaaman ma'duudah

Yeah I am inferring that our nightly minor deaths(sleep) serve as an example to our major deaths(in the grave) that we can and will be brought back on the Day of Resurrection(Qiyama).

 

[Schematics]

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@Schematics

Is the consciousness the soul?

There is relationship between the two. You have to have a soul to have consciousness. And in short there is no branch of science that deals with consciousness. Some neuro-scientists are trying to deal with the subject. People agree this is beyond the normal science. You can google the question of what branch of science deals with consciousness. See what you get. You have to step into philosophy and religion. Scientists admit this much.

On Wikipedia, I found brief description of consciousness that you may appreciate and note the last word in the description:


""Consciousness is the state or quality of awareness or of being aware of an external object or something within oneself. It has been defined variously in terms of sentience, awareness, qualia, subjectivity, the ability to experience or to feel, wakefulness, having a sense of selfhood or soul,""

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consciousness


There you go: Having a sense of selfhood and or Soul. This sense of selfhood comes from a piece of soft meat and a gel like substance protected inside the skull, and science has no answer as to how and why.

 

[AussieHustler]

Dr @Schematics

Great. The soul and consciousness are intertwined and the latter has nothing got to do with our brain, I got you thus far, what happens to the soul when we briefly lose consciousness. Or how about when all the wires to the brain and heart are disconnected in a hospital, we lose total consciousness and die. Were the machines keeping alive the soul or our two major organs?

 

[Schematics]

Dr @Schematics

Great. The soul and consciousness are intertwined and the latter has nothing got to do with our brain, I got you thus far, what happens to the soul when we briefly lose consciousness. Or how about when all the wires to the brain and heart are disconnected in a hospital, we lose total consciousness and die. Were the machines keeping alive the soul or our two major organs?

Bro, stop calling me a doctor. I am a student still. I like gaining knowledge obviously and understanding of things complex and simple just as you seem yourself to be interested and demonstrate with your debates often albeit sometimes biased.

Will reply back tomorrow. We can both learn something I hope in these exchanges. Have a good day.. We have midnight here. Must catch some sleep.

 

[Schematics]

Dr @Schematics

Great. The soul and consciousness are intertwined and the latter has nothing got to do with our brain, I got you thus far, what happens to the soul when we briefly lose consciousness. Or how about when all the wires to the brain and heart are disconnected in a hospital, we lose total consciousness and die. Were the machines keeping alive the soul or our two major organs?

Okay, there is a lot to unpack.


Death and Sleep are shrouded in mysteries although science provides clinical explanations for both based on observations in medical settings. These clinical observations and definitions do not fully answer all the questions such as the one you asked about consciousness. So, let us look at Islam.

In Islam, Losing consciousness briefly is like losing your soul briefly, that self awareness that gives you the experience of living whilst you are not completely dead. Good example to draw from is in the case of sleep, You are both dead and alive. Your vitals are present but your consciousnesses isn't. It is somewhere close and comes back with some invitation. This is observable and we all have seen sleeping people and woke many from their sleep for a reason. They come to life as we are looking at them.

Additionally, Death is considered a long sleep and resurrection is like waking up from that long and deep sleep mode. When someone sleeps, it is as if they went dead(their soul, self awareness is gone) though their body is alive and has some connection to their souls still.. Allah says .. “It is He, Who takes your souls by night (when you are asleep), and has knowledge of all that you have done by day”6:60.

Jump forward into the future and when people wake up from their death, Allah told us some will make this expression: “They will say, “Woe to us! Who has raised us up from our sleeping place?””36:52. The perception of these people about their earlier death is like they were really sleeping and wished to go back to that state instead of facing the consequences of their actions past after they are awoken/resurrected. They thought they were sleeping all this time before they were resurrected. Also, time passage to these people is perceived as very short though they were sleeping for however long the day of judgement took to materialize. Resurrected people will debate among themselves on the subject of how long they were dead. They give varying guesswork but all agree it was not really that long they were dead.

to sum up:

" Death is like a long sleep, grave like a sleeping place, and resurrection after death like waking up. A verse says:“And He it is Who takes your souls at night (in sleep), and He knows what you acquire in the day, then He raises you up therein that an appointed term may be fulfilled; then to Him is your return, then He will inform you of what you were doing” (Al-An’am/The Cattle 6:60).

Let me know if you run into a science material that explains this consciousness and the loss of it. Would be of interest to me.