Why is puntland the most Prosperous state in Somalia?

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[Beeldaajiyaha Migiurtinia]#PIM#N&NDown
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The lack of poverty in puntland is really suprising, the implemention of various multi million dollar infrastructure underway and many completed in various regions boasted the PL 's economy and GDP.

World class modern planning in Garowe and its 44 roads and highways along with Garacad port is unparalleled throughout Somalia, various International airports were also built on major towns of the state employing the locals making Puntland the lowest state in poverty within Somalia and highest employment in the country.

http://documents.worldbank.org/cura...Poverty-Profile-Update-4-27-November-2017.pdf

For example bossaso only 1 in 4 people are in poverty and the ratio is the same throughout puntland contrast this to Mogadishu and Somaliland and you would see around 1 in 2 people are in poverty, the UN report below has all the details.
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http://documents.worldbank.org/curated/en/325991506114032755/pdf/Output-P160456-v7.pdf

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I personally believe Puntland government's widespread introduction of good governance,fight against corruption, social services such as forensic centres for rape, well trained army and navy forces, roads along with the general health services and schools accessible to everyone made Puntites ahead of the rest in every sector of in the human index.

With a large population of 4-5 million, wealthy businessmen,our diaspora community heavily investing in PL, educated public with a good institutions, 1000s of university graduates every year, great tax code and legal system, peace and political stability and untapped minerals made PL an economic power now and in the future as well.

 
It's not based on Puntland but the people of Puntland, no matter where they are found. When you have a history of self-determination and love for peace and development, the rest is easy.
The determination and pride that forced Puntites to get together and create Puntland in 1998, is still driving us to succeed or at least to survive.
I think the climate of Puntland forced our people to historically be gritty, determined and business-minded. Majeerteen spread out to the South historically, moved to Baydhabo, Waamo/Kismaayo, Marka Cadeey, even Isiolo in Kenya. But we don't go running around claiming every tuulo or town we had a hand in developing.
Puntland is basically the reinvention of Majeerteenia. We already had the elders in place and our elite so all we had to do was rebrand to Puntland.
Some people will say "The South has many clans".. but that doesn't mean anything because some people could not even get their town or village in order even though only one clan lives there.
 
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Puntland can and should do much better though, much, much better. We need to get rid of IDP camps, deport Oromos etc, and brainwash our citizens into valuing manual labour and stop the kibir. I believe every Puntite needs to be taxed, even the ones living in the diaspora. We need to place special focus on renewable energy, we have the highest wind speeds in the world for god's sake.
 
This is an outdated 2017 study. The new 2019 World Bank study presents an entirely different picture. Puntland has one of the worse poverty profiles in the Horn:

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"Poverty is also heterogeneous across space. Based on estimates from satellite imputation, the highest levels of poverty are clustered in south‐western Somalia, and several districts in northern Somalia (Figure 7)."

Beyond topping the poverty charts, lack of population density was another area of concern for Puntland. Owing to its barren landscape and suboptimal climate, population density in Puntland is one of the lowest in the entire region:

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Puntland's high incidence of poverty is described by climate & arid landscape + lack of resources + lack of population density, a trifecta ensuring the region remains poor. Some of the indicators published in the study include:

Distance to cultivated areas, Puntland (North-East zone) performs worst:

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Average annual precipitation, where Puntland was also dealt a shit card:

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Distance to major roads, this one is understandable, with lack of population density, building major roads and connecting settlements becomes much more expensive:

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Study link:
 

sincity

Regent Park
VIP
This is an outdated 2017 study. The new 2019 World Bank study presents an entirely different picture. Puntland has one of the worse poverty profiles in the Horn:

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"Poverty is also heterogeneous across space. Based on estimates from satellite imputation, the highest levels of poverty are clustered in south‐western Somalia, and several districts in northern Somalia (Figure 7)."

Beyond topping the poverty charts, lack of population density was another area of concern for Puntland. Owing to its barren landscape and suboptimal climate, population density in Puntland is one of the lowest in the entire region:

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Puntland's high incidence of poverty is described by climate & arid landscape + lack of resources + lack of population density, a trifecta ensuring the region remains poor. Some of the indicators published in the study include:

Distance to cultivated areas, Puntland (North-East zone) performs worst:

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Average annual precipitation, where Puntland was also dealt a shit card:

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Distance to major roads, this one is understandable, with lack of population density, building major roads and connecting settlements becomes much more expensive:

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Study link:
Not at all, the study you posted is not successor to the comprehensive Somali Poverty Profile 2017. It's one that didn't provide enough sufficient or reliable data. If you bothered reading it;

"Despite methodological innovations, field team training, and a stringent security protocol (section 3.2), some challenges with data collection persisted in certain geographic areas. These were mainly related to human resource capacity constraints and remote monitoring to ensure the quality of the data. Specifically, in the Jubbaland and rural North‐East regions, the information collected turned out to be only representative of a very small, idiosyncratic part of the population or did not consistently meet the survey’s high‐quality standards."

Try quoting a study that doesn't refute itself next time.
 
Not at all, the study you posted is not successor to the comprehensive Somali Poverty Profile 2017. It's one that didn't provide enough sufficient or reliable data. If you bothered reading it;

"Despite methodological innovations, field team training, and a stringent security protocol (section 3.2), some challenges with data collection persisted in certain geographic areas. These were mainly related to human resource capacity constraints and remote monitoring to ensure the quality of the data. Specifically, in the Jubbaland and rural North‐East regions, the information collected turned out to be only representative of a very small, idiosyncratic part of the population or did not consistently meet the survey’s high‐quality standards."

Try quoting a study that doesn't refute itself next time.
The 2017 study presented findings from Wave 1 of the Somali High Frequency Survey.

The newer 2019 study I posted presents findings from Wave 2 of the Somali High Frequency Survey.
 

Awdalia Rising

SSpot Special Correspondent
This is an outdated 2017 study. The new 2019 World Bank study presents an entirely different picture. Puntland has one of the worse poverty profiles in the Horn:

View attachment 147203



"Poverty is also heterogeneous across space. Based on estimates from satellite imputation, the highest levels of poverty are clustered in south‐western Somalia, and several districts in northern Somalia (Figure 7)."

Beyond topping the poverty charts, lack of population density was another area of concern for Puntland. Owing to its barren landscape and suboptimal climate, population density in Puntland is one of the lowest in the entire region:

View attachment 147204

View attachment 147205

Puntland's high incidence of poverty is described by climate & arid landscape + lack of resources + lack of population density, a trifecta ensuring the region remains poor. Some of the indicators published in the study include:

Distance to cultivated areas, Puntland (North-East zone) performs worst:

View attachment 147206

Average annual precipitation, where Puntland was also dealt a shit card:

View attachment 147207

Distance to major roads, this one is understandable, with lack of population density, building major roads and connecting settlements becomes much more expensive:

View attachment 147208

Study link:
thank you for linking updated study
 

sincity

Regent Park
VIP
The 2017 study presented findings from Wave 1 of the Somali High Frequency Survey.

The newer 2019 study I posted presents findings from Wave 2 of the Somali High Frequency Survey.
That's not the Wave 2 Somali High Frequency but nice try. That's Estimation of Poverty in Somalia Using Innovative Methodologies, it covers how the Wave 2 worked.
 

sincity

Regent Park
VIP
"This paper outlines how these challenges were overcome in wave 2 of the Somali High Frequency Survey through methodological and technological adaptations in four areas."

It's clear to me that you do not read these studies but was looking for shock value.

:snoop:
 

Awdalia Rising

SSpot Special Correspondent
@TabK 2020 report is more accurate as This is a paper that used GIS and probability modelling to estimate poverty and population distribution across Somalia & Somaliland. This is unlike previous reports that used human estimates (like 2017 report) for poverty and population that were often unreliable. Very interesting findings.
 

Awdalia Rising

SSpot Special Correspondent
“Somalia is highly data-deprived, leaving policy makers to operate in a statistical vacuum. To overcome this challenge, the World Bank implemented wave 2 of the Somali High Frequency Survey to better understand livelihoods and vulnerabilities and, especially, to estimate national poverty indicators. The specific context of insecurity and lack of statistical infrastructure in Somalia posed several challenges for implementing a household survey and measuring poverty.”

They had to go this route as it is more accurate compared to 2017 human estimate report where certain states “cough cough” submitted false data. You cannot hide from satellite and GIS probability modeling. These are more fact based
 

sincity

Regent Park
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@TabK 2020 report is more accurate as This is a paper that used GIS and probability modelling to estimate poverty and population distribution across Somalia & Somaliland. This is unlike previous reports that used human estimates (like 2017 report) for poverty and population that were often unreliable. Very interesting findings.
That doesn't make the report "more reliable" since the previous one used similar technology. The difference is, the researchers themselves said it is unreliable due to the lack of data.

It's clear you haven't read either one of the studies.
 

Awdalia Rising

SSpot Special Correspondent
That doesn't make the report "more reliable" since the previous one used similar technology. The difference is, the researchers themselves said it is unreliable due to the lack of data.

It's clear you haven't read either one of the studies.
the previous ones DID NOT use similar technology they literally stated that as the reason they went this route with the update study. Thus giving us more accurate findings . I know this hurts after years of parading a report many told you was unreliable , now you have nowhere to hide as we have our own report with more advanced technology used
 

sincity

Regent Park
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the previous ones DID NOT use similar technology they literally stated that as the reason they went this route with the update study. Thus giving us more accurate findings . I know this hurts after years of parading a report many told you was unreliable , now you have nowhere to hide as we have our own report with more advanced technology used
You clearly don't know what you are talking about or haven't read it. I suggest you read both studies till you respond, till then I will wait for @TabK response.
 

Awdalia Rising

SSpot Special Correspondent
@sincity this is what they say about their wave 1 study that you love twerking for

“First, in the absence of a recent census, no exhaustive lists of census enumeration areas along with population estimates existed, creating challenges to derive a probability‐based representative sample. Second, while some areas remained completely inaccessible due to insecurity, even most accessible areas held potential risks to the safety of field staff and survey respondents, so that time spent in these areas had to be minimized. Third, poverty in completely inaccessible areas had to be estimated by other means. Finally, the non‐stationary nature of the nomadic population required special sampling strategies. This paper outlines how these challenges were overcome in wave 2 of the SHFS through methodological and technological adaptations in four areas: sampling strategy, survey design, fieldwork implementation, and poverty measurement.”

That’s crazy it’s literally what I’ve been telling you all along about the unreliable and fake data in 2017 report. It’s funny remember when your politicians were calaacaling in parliament and you chose to believe world bank over them, now world bank is calling their wave 1 report ineffective :dead:
 

sincity

Regent Park
VIP
@sincity this is what they say about their wave 1 study that you love twerking for

“First, in the absence of a recent census, no exhaustive lists of census enumeration areas along with population estimates existed, creating challenges to derive a probability‐based representative sample. Second, while some areas remained completely inaccessible due to insecurity, even most accessible areas held potential risks to the safety of field staff and survey respondents, so that time spent in these areas had to be minimized. Third, poverty in completely inaccessible areas had to be estimated by other means. Finally, the non‐stationary nature of the nomadic population required special sampling strategies. This paper outlines how these challenges were overcome in wave 2 of the SHFS through methodological and technological adaptations in four areas: sampling strategy, survey design, fieldwork implementation, and poverty measurement.”

That’s crazy it’s literally what I’ve been telling you all along about the unreliable and fake data in 2017 report. It’s funny remember when your politicians were calaacaling in parliament and you chose to believe world bank over them, now world bank is calling their wave 1 report ineffective :dead:
Again, since you need help understanding. That isn't the study, it's a report about the methodology.

Wave 2 is not kinder to Somaliland, if only you had the capacity to read it. I will be breaking it down soon.
 

sincity

Regent Park
VIP
Saying again that it's a methodology and not a study is incomprehensible to you guys but I don't expect anything better.

Prepare yourself for the statistics thread I will post of the studies in the development section.

On account of your 50% literacy rate, you will have to toss a coin to figure out who will read it.

:mjlaugh:
 

Awdalia Rising

SSpot Special Correspondent
Sincity is triggered and I love it :pachah1:

some early data from the new report

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man I love this report already I can’t wait to see the full thing. Brokeland with its hyper inflation will finally get exposed

The fact that $1 = 45k pirate shillings is further proof PL economy is all the way in the qashin :dead:
 

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