Why are you against Somalilands recognition

[Deleted L]

I might be biased since I am originally from Somaliland, but favouritism aside logically it would make more sense for Somalia to give Somaliland it's recognition back as it would benefit somalis as a whole. Just think about it for a second, Somaliland is probaly the only place in East Africa that actually has potential so imagine if it does become an independent country and succeed, wouldn't that create a domino effect and give Somalia some sort of support or ally?

Giving somaliland recognise doesn't mean we should be fully cut off any relationship with Somalia, in an ideal world could form some sort of union together with Djibouti were we could help one another and trade (similar to how the EU works).

I know alot of you diaspora are very patriotic when it comes to "freeing" ogedan and NFD (as if they can't do that themselves) but why do so many of you have anonymity against northerners wanting to be independent and fixing their own problems?

This question has been asked so many times, it’s useless to ask such a question since this topic is so sensitive to Somalis and nobody is willing to listen to one another.

Me personally I’m against it because I believe it would be harmful in the long run and SL gaining recognition would destabilize the whole entire country further and other groups would want to secede, making Somalia as a country extinct. Somalia has so many problems and SL getting recognition would just further complicate the issue, It’s like adding fuel to the fire. When you analyze the situation from a pragmatic perspective, you will realize the harms far outweighs the benefits. UAE styled federalism is probably the best ideal for Somalis. We can all be apart of one country and have a certain level of autonomy that allows us to govern our affairs which is a win-win situation when you think about it objectively.

This is just my opinion and I admit I may be wrong. Either way, May Allah grant peace, development and stability to all our lands.

 

[Cali1996]

I might be the only Warsangeli/Ogayslabe who supports the independence of Somaliland (without SSC and Awdal if the people there did not want to join the new republic) because of the fact that I am Saudi Somali and my mind doesn't operate like post 1991 Somali. However; I do understand why my people don't want to be dragged into a new state with Isaaq. Isaaq used the fact that they constituted the majority of British Somaliland and dragged the whole country with them to unite with Somalia despite opposition from many Somalilanders including the grand grad of the Dulbahante (ironically). Now after these people were proven right they are doing the same and taking everyone out of the very same union they were lusting after without taking into consideration that people have been traumatised by Siad Barre and Mohammed Farah Aideed and don't like the Idea of another clan having the upper hand. The new republic offer a system of federalism and give people a greater control over their affairs something Somaliland is not willing to do despite the fact that the lack of representation based on clans is what gave Somaliland independence away to being with.

 

[World]

Isaaq should be allowed to become their own country. No point forcing them into a union. They need to leave us Darod alone.

 

[hinters]

Isaaq should be allowed to become their own country. No point forcing them into a union. They need to leave us Darod alone.

They shouldn't take sool with them.

 

[Warzio7]

puntland isn't for everyone sxb lets not be hypocritical here. Only maxamuud saleeban is allowed to be regional president same way sl presidency is reserved for isaaq. Both states are clan enclaves tbh

Dahir Rayle who is a Gadabuursi is Somalilands longest serving president. He beat Muse bixi in a fair election to get re-elected with only 80 votes seperating them. That could never happen in Puntland lol

 

[Warzio7]

And what position are you in? Why do Landers think they live in some paradise or something? If Somalia is a shithole, then so is Somaliland. It's like that one video of a homeless man calling another homeless man broke.

you guys can't make a functioning country for almost 4 decades, thats so pathetic lol. You're doing way better now..but still under amisom/xalane/alshabaab thats how low the bar is for you guys lol.

 

[Warzio7]

This question has been asked so many times, it’s useless to ask such a question since this topic is so sensitive to Somalis and nobody is willing to listen to one another.

Me personally I’m against it because I believe it would be harmful in the long run and SL gaining recognition would destabilize the whole entire country further and other groups would want to secede, making Somalia as a country extinct. Somalia has so many problems and SL getting recognition would just further complicate the issue, It’s like adding fuel to the fire. When you analyze the situation from a pragmatic perspective, you will realize the harms far outweighs the benefits. UAE styled federalism is probably the best ideal for Somalis. We can all be apart of one country and have a certain level of autonomy that allows us to govern our affairs which is a win-win situation when you think about it objectively.

This is just my opinion and I admit I may be wrong. Either way, May Allah grant peace, development and stability to all our lands.

Somalia can't get much worse that being a failed state so theres not much else to fear. No point holding Somaliland back because so called "unionists" can't unite.

 

[Warzio7]

With the 1961 act of Union between SL and Somalia it’s very hard to gain recognition and very unlikely.

Somali Govt right now is at a weak state, I don’t see secession happening anytime soon. I hope SL comes to realise this and uses this to their advantage to make sure they are at the advantage when it comes to negotiations.

not a ratified union

 

[Laagite]

Dahir Rayle who is a Gadabuursi is Somalilands longest serving president. He beat Muse bixi in a fair election to get re-elected with only 80 votes seperating them. That could never happen in Puntland lol

Dahir Riyaale is Samaroon they're closer to you than a Harti.

 

[Sajid]

If we give them independence then what will stop other states from doing the same

 

[Dima&Damo]

Rebels without a cause SSDF SPM USC SNM

 

[Moholin01]

Most Hawiyes don’t give a shit (except the Darood lackeys). A smart Lander politician would just bribe them to sign the dotted line.
Darood are anti-SL out of spite, since there’s is no strategic reason to oppose secession.
Ultimately tho, nobody gives you anything in life., you take that shit by the barrel of the gun. Isaaq politicians are too cosy and cowardly to explore the last option.

As for Sool, Sanaag and Cayn. Soil is shared territory, Sanaa is Isaaq majority and idk wtf cayn is (must be another made-up region).

 

[mrlog]

Isaaq has right to do what they want in their triangle state to be or not to be part of Somalia. Sool,Sanaag and Cayn is part of puntland and we will secure it. Awdal known as pro Somalia.

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[Laagite]

Most Hawiyes don’t give a shit (except the Dar lackeys). A smart Lander politician would just bribe them to sign the dotted line.
Darood are anti-SL out of spite, since there’s is no strategic reason to oppose secession.
Ultimately tho, nobody gives you anything in life., you take that shit by the barrel of the gun. Isaaq politicians are too cosy and cowardly to explains the last option.

As for Sool, Sanaag and Cayn. Soil is shared territory, Sanaa is Isaaq majority and idk wtf cayn is (must be another made-up region).

I love how you have no source and just pull estimates out of your ass about Warsangeli population in Sanaag

You have over 100s of fictional tuulos that you can't find nothing about them existing meanwhile our smallest villages are established.

 

[Nikka]

Most Hawiyes don’t give a shit (except the Darood lackeys). A smart Lander politician would just bribe them to sign the dotted line.
Darood are anti-SL out of spite, since there’s is no strategic reason to oppose secession.
Ultimately tho, nobody gives you anything in life., you take that shit by the barrel of the gun. Isaaq politicians are too cosy and cowardly to explore the last option.

As for Sool, Sanaag and Cayn. Soil is shared territory, Sanaa is Isaaq majority and idk wtf cayn is (must be another made-up region).

Sanag is Warsengeli majority. Why do landers like to lie? Also secede if you want just know your not taking Sol and Sanaag with you.

 

[Nikka]

1) I doubt so, most of my family, relatives and the overall population in hargeisa have no animosity against southerners, of course there are some prejudice stereotypes we have against you but its no where as severe as how somalis from Somalia treat habesha people.

2) most anti-Somalia progranda sterms from the fact that people still have ptsd from the genocide, I mean innocent civilians got torured and brutally killed not to mention that it wasn't that long ago. Although I would argue that the trauma will heal, it just needs some time.

3) I am in no way undermining somali unity, I am just seeing it from a realistic point of view. The chance of "somaliweyn" becoming a reality is little to none. So instead of letting our people die for the sake of some dream of "ethnic union" why not be rational?

I don't think you see the irony in your statement. In actuality it is only one tribe that wants to permanently secede and they want to drag the surrounding tribes with them. Rational kulaha Somalidiid are the farthest from rational.

 

[Laagite]

Sanag is Warsengeli majority. Why do landers like to lie? Also secede if you want just know your not taking Sol and Sanaag with you.

Xadeed has the most population in Sanaag.


100s of settlements in the South
Biyo Guduud, Carmale, Xingalool, Damala Xagare, Shimbiraale, Darasalaam, Dawaco(Deg.Kheyre), Dureera, Sibaaye, Wardheer, War-Idaad, Dhabar Dalool etc.

 

[Moholin01]

Sanag is Warsengeli majority. Why do landers like to lie? Also secede if you want just know your not taking Sol and Sanaag with you.

If you are the majority, why is there a SL flag in Erigabo and Las Canood? You gotta get you story straight. If the majority of Sool and Sanaag is not Duriya, and you guys hates SL, then why are the two most populous cities in those regions both administrated by Somaliland?

fyi, I do care if SL secedes or doesn’t. I just find it funny that an ungovernable zoo like Somalia should be concerned about it rather than Alshabab and the illegal fishing rampant across it’s shores.

 

[Gokboru]

I remember we were arguing about the same thing back in my younger years (2005-2015). The pro union camp vs Landers at constant back and forth;the old folks have lost interest in that debate and now see the bigger picture meanwhile the younger kids who are growing up are carrying the torch

 

[Nikka]

If you are the majority, why is there a SL flag in Erigabo and Las Canood? You gotta get you story straight. If the majority of Sool and Sanaag is not Duriya, and you guys hates SL, then why are the two most populous cities in those regions both administrated by Somaliland?

fyi, I do care if SL secedes or doesn’t. I just find it funny that an ungovernable zoo like Somalia should be concerned about it rather than Alshabab and the illegal fishing rampant across it’s shores.

Occupying two cities doesn't mean you have the consent of the populace. Your tribe wants to be a permanent break away state and you wat to drag the rest of the north with you. Khatumo is an inevitability.