Why are you against Somalilands recognition

[Prince of HS]

So when hawiye say shit like SL this or that to us is justified? The average Sanaagian doesn't even know what happens south of galkacyo let alone Hawiye. You fumbled it with the main character syndrome come out and say I hate Darood, you sound like a child caynimo comes from you mostly. I should look up the 3000 videos you made about us on youtube.

Im pretty sure hawiye only say that shit in response of seeing reer ssc being footsoilders and loyal mouthpiece of mareexan since red berets days way before somaliland was a thing. 90% of CBB are darood somalilanders and we both know why. the funniest and ironic thing is i don't think farmaajo even glanced at that region or acknowledged it even once.

it isn't a diss or being a child. its just the reality on the ground. i only address your people when i come across threads or quotes discussion them. never randomly start a convo about them. but ofc your people know us stop the cap. been moaning about getting kicked out the capital for 30 godamn years. that's what happens when you try fight someone in their own deegan

 

[Laagite]

Im pretty sure hawiye only say that shit in response of seeing reer ssc being footsoilders and loyal mouthpiece of mareexan since red berets days way before somaliland was a thing. 90% of CBB are darood somalilanders and we both know why. the funniest and ironic thing is i don't think farmaajo even glanced at that region or acknowledged it even once.

it isn't a diss or being a child. its just the reality on the ground. i only address your people when i come across threads or quotes discussion them. never randomly start a convo about them

90%? I said before my clan let alone my family never even talk about FGS we're busy building our region, helping out the abaar victims, doing fundraisers. FGS iyo Xamar are least of our concerns. Come out of the closet dirty qabilist, i never seen this type of energy for the other Daroods.

 

[Prince of HS]

90%? I said before my clan let alone my family never even talk about FGS we're busy building our region, helping out the abaar victims, doing fundraisers. FGS iyo Xamar are least of our concerns. Come out of the closet dirty qabilist, i never seen this type of energy for the other Daroods.

i am a qabilist in the sense i put my clan and regions before any other somali. Anyways enjoy focusing on your deegan that's 1,000km away from mine.

 

[Laagite]

i am a qabilist in the sense i put my clan and regions before any other somali. Anyways enjoy focusing on your deegan that's 1,000km away from mine.

Good on you for admitting your qabyalad and may Allah cure all your deranged hearts incl those SSC people you seen

 

[Thebluesomali]

You are never getting recognition let's get that out of the way. China will never let you enter the UN and Somalia is pro west right now, you have nobodies sympathy. Secondly, I never ever want SL to join Somalia, same way I wouldn't want Ogaden to. It would just dilute my peoples power and also I don't want those khat crackheads to have a say in what goes on in the country. I am not even a qabilist, PL is for everyone whereas SL is a clan enclave where only certain groups get a say. Never give them recognition and never let them join us. Leave them in non recognized shithole status perpetually. And one day I hope we return and finish what Morgan and Siad started. The north must be cleaned of its filth.

 

[Prince of HS]

You are never getting recognition let's get that out of the way. China will never let you enter the UN and Somalia is pro west right now, you have nobodies sympathy. Secondly, I never ever want SL to join Somalia, same way I wouldn't want Ogaden to. It would just dilute my peoples power and also I don't want those khat crackheads to have a say in what goes on in the country. I am not even a qabilist, PL is for everyone whereas SL is a clan enclave where only certain groups get a say. Never give them recognition and never let them join us. Leave them in non recognized shithole status perpetually. And one day I hope we return and finish what Morgan and Siad started. The north must be cleaned of its filth.

puntland isn't for everyone sxb lets not be hypocritical here. Only maxamuud saleeban is allowed to be regional president same way sl presidency is reserved for isaaq. Both states are clan enclaves tbh

 

[Thebluesomali]

puntland isn't for everyone sxb lets not be hypocritical here. Only maxamuud saleeban is allowed to be regional president same way sl presidency is reserved for isaaq. Both states are clan enclaves tbh

We have Dir, HG, Bantu not only Harti we are diverse. Anyone can be a Puntite, whereas in SL you are second class if not Isaaq. It's the sad truth. They only put their clans interests first. You're average PLer cares less about qabil then they do.

 

[Prince of HS]

We have Dir, HG, Bantu not only Harti we are diverse. Anyone can be a Puntite, whereas in SL you are second class if not Isaaq. It's the sad truth. They only put their clans interests first. You're average PLer cares less about qabil then they do.

Yeah isaaqs are probably the most tribalistic Somalis out there tbf

 

[Stranger3000]

I might be biased since I am originally from Somaliland, but favouritism aside logically it would make more sense for Somalia to give Somaliland it's recognition back as it would benefit somalis as a whole. Just think about it for a second, Somaliland is probaly the only place in East Africa that actually has potential so imagine if it does become an independent country and succeed, wouldn't that create a domino effect and give Somalia some sort of support or ally?

Giving somaliland recognise doesn't mean we should be fully cut off any relationship with Somalia, in an ideal world could form some sort of union together with Djibouti were we could help one another and trade (similar to how the EU works).

I know alot of you diaspora are very patriotic when it comes to "freeing" ogedan and NFD (as if they can't do that themselves) but why do so many of you have anonymity against northerners wanting to be independent and fixing their own problems?

No one has a reason. They just dont like being miserable by themselves.

 

[Rationale]

Any Hawiye who believes in Somalinimo is a naive kid or idealist. I don't think Isaaqs as my kin nor do I think Daaroods as my kin, both are to me two distant Somali groups who happen to speak a remote dialect of the same language. Recognition of SL is a long term strategic interest of beesha Hawiye. The fact reer SSC are crazy lunatics with misplaced priorities is a good PR for this cause. Not gonna lie I saw the cold truth thanks to them. They are very honest people I give them that.

I feel for Somali unionists, irredentism is a beautiful think but it is not viable the political elite are all building fortifications for their tribes not to mention large sections of the population are bitter enemies.

 

[FBIsomalia]

puntland isn't for everyone sxb lets not be hypocritical here. Only maxamuud saleeban is allowed to be regional president same way sl presidency is reserved for isaaq. Both states are clan enclaves tbh

Puntland Second president is Dhulbahante.

 

[JigjigaKismaayo]

Because it'll set a bad precedent! Zoumalis are dumb, if landers get recognized and breakway, you can expect others to follow.

 

[Haragwafi]

why Somaliland doesn’t want to let SSC go?
why SL triangle just leave without taking the rest of Woqooy with them?

Dhulbahante and Warsangeli are integral part of Somaliland and founding members of the current republic founded on 1991 and we don't want our land to be split on clan lines people who lived together will live together.

 

[Luffy]

Even if the SS lands were ceded, Somalis Will not recognize Somaliland because they hate you

 

[Aurelian]

Dhulbahante and Warsangeli are integral part of Somaliland and founding members of the current republic founded on 1991 and we don't want our land to be split on clan lines people who lived together will live together.

"founding members"

 

[Haragwafi]

If I speak about my opinion on Somalilands recognition it doesnt really affect me because im from the south. My Clan does not live in Somaliland. But the reason why I disagree with Somaliland recognition is because not all people who live in "Somaliland territory" believe in Somaliland. Awdal as well as most Sool and Sanaag residents still support Somali unity.

Therefore if you believe that as a Somalilander you deserve the right to be recognized Awdal+Sool and Sanaag deserve to remain part of Somalia according to there choice. If you force clans like Samaroon+Warsangeli+Dhulbahante to be apart of Somaliland while they support Somali unity then what makes you guys different to people who want to force Somaliland to be a part of Somaliland.

I will support Somaliland independence when all citizens of Somaliland support the independence. But as long clans from Sool and Sanaag and Awdal are Pro Somalia unity I wont support Somaliland independence.

My raxweyn friend you have to understand that Somaliland isn't something Isaaqs came up with t was decided by all northern communities in 1991 and again in 1993 Boorama conference where the interim administration was transformed away from the dysfunctional SNM group to an elected civilian administration headed by the former Somali Republic Prime Minster Ibraahim Cigaal in which every major clan was represented in his cabinet with Daaroods holding the head of the high court and the speakership of the lower house.

In 2001 there was a referendum held every Somaliland's region where they all approved the newly drafted constitution with Awdal voting 90% while the lowest percentage of approval in any of the region was in Laascanod where 54% said yes and 45% said no and you can't say they are fake or they were rigged when the govt of Cigaal was weak and the election in Laaascanod was done under the oversight of Dhulbahante community as SL had no authority or presence in the city or district.

 

[Haragwafi]

"founding members"
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Yeah as no one told them to come to Burco and even if they were forced to vote on the clause that called for regaining our independence from xamar still they had the opportunity not come to Boorama conference as SNM and Isaaq community got divided on clan lines and if they have boycotted there wouldn't have been Somaliland now

 

[Haragwafi]

Walaal, I am for it at times but turn against it as a person who is from Somaliland. My Qabiil is hated on along with the rest of Somalis by the majority of the Somaliland elite which are the Isaaq. Somalia and it's flag are also viewed the same way as Nazi Germany was viewed by other Europeans. The iceing on the cake is that Somaliland separatists are the most anti-Somali people I have seen. They don't even believe in the Somali identity and view that we are their biggest enemy as non-Isaaq Somalis. I wish the best for them but wallahi they hate our guts.

Spare me of the bullshit crocodile tears no one hates your usless qabil or whatever background you come from the true hatres are you guys who use tribalist insult against Reer Sheekh Isaxaaq and encourage hatred against them done by your politicians and your drunktard famous social media YT and Tiktok personalities while you don't see a single Isaaq whethere he's an elder or politician or social media famous personality ever talk about Qabyaled or negatively of any of SL communities. and yeah we're going to lock your ass up if anyone shows up with that dirty blue flag

 

[Thebluesomali]

Any Hawiye who believes in Somalinimo is a naive kid or idealist. I don't think Isaaqs as my kin nor do I think Daaroods as my kin, both are to me two distant Somali groups who happen to speak a remote dialect of the same language. Recognition of SL is a long term strategic interest of beesha Hawiye. The fact reer SSC are crazy lunatics with misplaced priorities is a good PR for this cause. Not gonna lie I saw the cold truth thanks to them. They are very honest people I give them that.

I feel for Somali unionists, irredentism is a beautiful think but it is not viable the political elite are all building fortifications for their tribes not to mention large sections of the population are bitter enemies.

This is what mental retardation looks like.

 

[Dima&Damo]

I clearly mean i don't care if the isaaqs gain recognition as long as they take their subjects along with them who are randomly anti my people even though we don't border each other.

Your people is "anti your people"