Why are we forcing this "Somali Nationalism" or "Somali Nationhood" when it doesn't even exist?

[BritneyJean]

I think Somalia should let go of Somaliland and let them be free. Puntland should be its own country. Jubaland should be its own country. Somalia should be it's own country.

Somaliweyn is a myth. It's never ever gonna happen. It's foreign concept to Somalis. Before colonialism, we all had our own mini city-states. We never united. Heck, many clans would even sell out other clans to the British and Italians.

There is no "oness" in nationhood and kinship among Somalis. Somali is like 'Arab', but more specific. And the concept of Somali nationalism is as real as Arab nationalism....and newsflash...it's not real.

 

[Rackzzz]

You ain’t saying nothing new

 

[Aurelian]

I think Somalia should let go of Somaliland and let them be free. Puntland should be its own country. Jubaland should be its own country. Somalia should be it's own country.

Somaliweyn is a myth. It's never ever gonna happen. It's foreign concept to Somalis. Before colonialism, we all had our own mini city-states. We never united. Heck, many clans would even sell out other clans to the British and Italians.

There is no "oness" in nationhood and kinship among Somalis. Somali is like 'Arab', but more specific. And the concept of Somali nationalism is as real as Arab nationalism....and newsflash...it's not real.

Forgein concept?
no it is not unless you were teleported from 1800s we Somalis had many states, yes in one time in our history like Italy and many other countries, so should Italy let Sicily, that Italian island, go? No, nothing is forcing her to do

Somaliland never existed before 1900, so the break away dreamland let awdal and sanaag and Eyn go? Most nations in Africa didn’t existed prerior to 1960

At least Somalia and somalinimo was an ideology in our ancestors mind, hence it is not In anyway a forgein concept.

how it is a foreign concept if from the begging of 1900 our ppl were fighting for that concept? In NFD and somaligalbeed before even the kacaan era Somalis fought for it, before and after somali nation got independence, and even after kacaan regime we faught again.

Every Somali from these 5 region fought for our dream of nationhood connecting us. Why Somalis from somaliland, putland and jubaland be satisfied with tiny area and called home if the have a big area like Somalia to have it?

 

[Based]

If Somali nationalism existed, Western Somalia and NFD wouldnt be under occupation and Somalia wouldnt be a chaotic pig sty

 

[somalipatriot]

If Somali nationalism existed, Western Somalia and NFD wouldnt be under occupation and Somalia wouldnt be a chaotic pig sty

Your one of the Somalis which this famous statement from the late Siad barre was meant for I shall respect a Somali individual as long as he deserves respect, but if he turns away from the correct path, then that is none of my business.

 

[somalipatriot]

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I think Somalia should let go of Somaliland and let them be free. Puntland should be its own country. Jubaland should be its own country. Somalia should be it's own country.

Somaliweyn is a myth. It's never ever gonna happen. It's foreign concept to Somalis. Before colonialism, we all had our own mini city-states. We never united. Heck, many clans would even sell out other clans to the British and Italians.

There is no "oness" in nationhood and kinship among Somalis. Somali is like 'Arab', but more specific. And the concept of Somali nationalism is as real as Arab nationalism....and newsflash...it's not real.

Siad barre had a famous quote in the late 1980s when four rebels groups were up in arms he said he was not the president of Somalia but president of Somalia’s lazareeti (mental asylum) you will see what the people of lazareeti can do when I’m not around keeping them in order. 3 decades later those words still hold some water

 

[Woke1.4rm.Shibis]

Somalia is a social construct ,
Somalia nationalism was never a thing befor 1960s . I'm glad the masses are waking up .

many clans would even sell out other clans to the British and Italians.

No lies there. Somalis used ethiopians against other Somalis as recently as 2 years ago .

In this day and age there are somali speaking kenyans who go on live saying
The president of Somalia should kill over 300k somalis from different tribe to bring "Qaranimo"
the sad part is not the fact a Kenyan politician is calling for the genocide but all the people that agree with him .

Listen to this Kenyan speaking somali speach and the amount of ppl supporting it on the comments



Inshallah this fake nationhood wont be around any longer , somaliland is on it's way to get recognition soon and the rest of Somalia are starting to break apart as shown in the political turmoil we are seeing today .

 

[Aurelian]

Somalia is a social construct ,
Somalia nationalism was never a thing befor 1960s . I'm glad the masses are waking up .

many clans would even sell out other clans to the British and Italians.

No lies there. Somalis used ethiopians against other Somalis as recently as 2 years ago .

In this day and age there are somali speaking kenyans who go on live saying
The president of Somalia should kill over 300k somalis from different tribe to bring "Qaranimo"
the sad part is not the fact a Kenyan politician is calling for the genocide but all the people that agree with him .

Listen to this Kenyan speaking somali speach and the amount of ppl supporting it on the comments



Inshallah this fake nationhood wont be around any longer , somaliland is on it's way to get recognition soon and the rest of Somalia are starting to break apart as shown in the political turmoil we are seeing today .

Historically your comment is false.

 

[Woke1.4rm.Shibis]

Historically your comment is false.

What's historically false on what I posted ?

 

[TheSayid]

so basically a bunch of mini somalia's? might as well keep slicing it up and each gobol becomes its own country maybe each village to.

 

[Aurelian]

What's historically false on what I posted ?

Somalinationalis existed various form, one of which, are political parties preior to 1960 in British, Italian and French Somalilands, and political movments from Jigjiga and NFD. It existed before that.

many things are socially constructed like sun, good and right, money and genders

 

[BritneyJean]

so basically a bunch of mini somalia's? might as well keep slicing it up and each gobol becomes its own country maybe each village to.

exactly. There is no other way.

 

[Diaspora ambassador]

Breaking up somalia is against our national security. You can see how Kenya uses SL to undermine Somalia. Imagine multiple Somali nations undermining each other. We need to stick together to succeed. With an mighty army with Somali moral we can actually rebuild all kingdoms inside the republic, and liberate the two remaining territories.


Everyone against this is against our succes, as simple as that. Have autonomous regions if needed but damn y'all would rather bend the knee to addis and Nairobi instead of working together.

 

[Jiron]

It exists because we exist, never lose hope

 

[Ozark]

Diaspora Somalis act like breaking up the country of Somalia won’t be a shithole in the new “countries” that come out of it. Look no further than Djibouti.

Somalis barely had city states, at least not to the level of Italy pre unification. They were bunch of city states with different languages yet they can from a decent country. Isku xihooda and encourage your people back home the same if y’all care so much.

 

[Dualke]

Are you seriously considering an ethnically homogenous nation to split up? Who the hell cares if Somali nationhood never existed, most countries on the planet had multiple different ethnic minorities with entirely different cultures prior to modern-day nation states that needed to set aside their differences in order to unify. If Somali are unable to achieve this despite being exactly the same than that is truly and utterly fucking sad.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

The only reason I'm not pro Independence for Puntland at present, because I don't think it's economically viable at present. I don't care for imaginary 'Somalinimo' sentiments, because it only existed for a brief period in history and that was when Somalis were fighting for independence from Colonisers. Before that it did not exist and it certainly didn't exist during the brutal Kacaan regime or during the civil war, or even in 2022 as I type this.

LOL!

If Puntland ever found massive reserves of Natural resources that could be managed properly by competent leaders; my sentiment should be; goodbye and good riddance 'fellow' Somalis, don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya!

 

[Zapfox1]

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The only reason I'm not pro Independence for Puntland at present, because I don't think it's economically viable at present. I don't care for imaginary 'Somalinimo' sentiments, because it only existed for a brief period in history and that was when Somalis were fighting for independence from Colonisers. Before that it did not exist and it certainly didn't exist during the brutal Kacaan regime or during the civil war, or even in 2022 as I type this.

LOL!

If Puntland ever found massive reserves of Natural resources that could be managed properly by competent leaders; my sentiment should be; goodbye and good riddance 'fellow' Somalis, don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya!

Being pro independence of puntland would just be stupid because you guys already benefit a lot from federalism and I’m 100% sure you won’t do better as an independent country compared to staying as a state within Somalia Once there is a strong and developed fgs and al shabaab is cleared from the lands, PL will be able to fair well the most as you guys have a headstart compared to pretty much every states (behind sl if you count them) . But by then the states with the better resources such as agricultural JL and HS will probably reach PL in terms of their economy. But if your independent, you’d be in the same position as Somaliland is. You’d get no international aid or grants and I’m pretty sure the natural resources found in pl wouldn’t be more than the rest of Somali states. Mind you the chance of you guys as well as sl getting independence is as slim as farmaajo waking up white tommorow. The HN is not allowing Kurds, tigrays, oromos etc their own country even though they are different ethnic groups than the people they are trynna secess from. You think the UN would allow ethnic Somalis making their own enclave countries with their being 4 countries (if you include Djibouti) where ethnic Somalis are the majority?

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

B

Being pro independence of puntland would just be stupid because you guys already benefit a lot from federalism and I’m 100% sure you won’t do better as an independent country compared to staying as a state within Somalia Once there is a strong fgs, you guys will be able to fair well the most as you guys have a headstart compared to pretty much states (behind sl if you count them) . But if your independent, you’d be in the same position as Somaliland is. You’d get no international aid or grants and I’m pretty sure the natural resources found in pl wouldn’t be more than the rest of Somali states. Mind you the chance of you guys as well as sl getting independence is as slim as farmaajo waking up white tommorow. The HN is not allowing Kurds, tigrays, oromos etc their own country even though they are different ethnic groups than the people they are trynna secess from. You think the UN would allow ethnic Somalis making their own enclave countries with their being 4 countries (if you include Djibouti) where ethnic Somalis are the majority.

Yes, that's why my caveat is that in order for Puntland Independence to be a viable goal is that we find natural resources that are in massive quantities + good leaders.

 

[Zapfox1]

Yes, that's why my caveat is that in order for Puntland Independence to be a viable goal is that we find natural resources that are in massive quantities + good leaders.

Regardless you will do worse as an independent country than being a state.natural resources or not. If you really want PL to prosper, you’d want somalia to prosper