Why are Somalis so obsessed with democracy and elections?

[AMusee]

If it wasn’t already obvious take another look at his post history.

On whatever given subject @bidenkulaha has the mainstream western liberal opinion. No matter what the subject is. If you want to know what he thinks watch CNN or look for the official US position.

That is all he is here to promote and post about. Keep that in mind.

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

I didn’t say a dictatorship was perfect, I said there’s nothing wrong with autocratic rule theoretically as long as the ruler is doing his job correctly and rules by Islamic law. If a Muslim hypothetically takes power by force then it’s an obligation to obey him, removing him is most likely going to bring about a worst outcome.

The problem with this kind of thinking is that you cannot have a stable political system under autocracy. You will have long periods of stability, and huge ruptures when the autocrat dies or someone in his circle decides to usurp power. The reason people all over the world are obsessed with democracy is that it appears to be the most stable form of government, granting people political predictability.

Somali culture is republican by default. This is what our most important institution looks like.

Notice that there is no one in the center of that circle, every man in that circle has the right to speak freely and vote on the decision taken by the clan in the end. Our traditional system of governance is more in line with the West's republics like than historically Muslim states ruled by a sultan or king with little public input.

We are lucky because this means our people will never tolerate tyranny. This is very much unlike most Muslim countries where kings and sultans have over the centuries created cultures that tolerate tyranny. It has its drawbacks, but its benefits far outweigh those.

 

[bidenkulaha]

The problem with this kind of thinking is that you cannot have a stable political system under autocracy. You will have long periods of stability, and huge ruptures when the autocrat dies or someone in his circle decides to usurp power. The reason people all over the world are obsessed with democracy is that it appears to be the most stable form of government, granting people political predictability.

Somali culture is republican by default. This is what our most important institution looks like.
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Notice that there is no one in the center of that circle, every man in that circle has the right to speak freely and vote on the decision taken by the clan in the end. Our traditional system of governance is more in line with the West's republics like than historically Muslim states ruled by a sultan or king with little public input.

We are lucky because this means our people will never tolerate tyranny. This is very much unlike most Muslim countries where kings and sultans have over the centuries created cultures that tolerate tyranny. It has its drawbacks, but its benefits far outweigh those.

one of the best posts I’ve on here

 

[EDsomali]

Somalia needs a Chinese-style dictatorship that can be judged by its economic development and long-term visions.

How can a nation where the majority of the people cannot read or write even think of holding elections?

Democracy is a privilege that can only be attained after a certain level of development - Somalia and most of Africa are nowhere near that level of development.

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

one of the best posts I’ve on here

Nothing I dislike more than people who want to bring the worst aspects of Middle Eastern culture to Somalis. Imagine being a subject of the qaxbad MBS who spent over $1 billion of the people's money on a painting of Christ and the yacht of a Russian vodka billionaire.

These salafis want us geeljires to become carab naago.

 

[Keep it a boqol]

Somalia needs a Chinese-style dictatorship that can be judged by its economic development and long-term visions.

How can a nation where the majority of the people cannot read or write even think of holding elections?

Democracy is a privilege that can only be attained after a certain amount of development - Somalia and most of Africa are nowhere near that level of development.

Facts

 

[bidenkulaha]

Nothing I dislike more than people who want to bring the worst aspects of Middle Eastern culture to Somalis. Imagine being a subject of the qaxbad MBS who spent over $1 billion of the people's money on a painting of Christ and the yacht of a Russian vodka billionaire.

These salafis want us geeljires to become carab naago.

Salafists are not confident in their governance hence the love for dictatorships where the public have no avenue to rebel. And then they’ll say it is fitnah to fight your government after locking down every avenue you could use to complain. Which is exactly why we should stay as far away from them as possible. It’s all just so awful and not cut out for a Somali culture that is repellent to other people ruling them.

 

[World]

Somalia needs a Chinese-style dictatorship that can be judged by its economic development and long-term visions.

How can a nation where the majority of the people cannot read or write even think of holding elections?

Democracy is a privilege that can only be attained after a certain amount of development - Somalia and most of Africa are nowhere near that level of development.

In normal homo-sapien countries, the people only care about the effectiveness of their government’s policies. But in Somalia, people don’t care about the effectiveness of their government’s policies, but how represented people of their lineage are in the government.

They will fight against a government that build roads, improves the standard of living, provides for the needy, whilst celebrating a corrupt government that loots the nation and is ineffective.

China’s form of government is the most superior in the world for development, but Somalia is too low IQ for it to be implemented in our country.

 

[reer]

In normal homo-sapien countries, the people only care about the effectiveness of their government’s policies. But in Somalia, people don’t care about the effectiveness of their government’s policies, but how represented people of their lineage are in the government.

They will fight against a government that build roads, improves the standard of living, provides for the needy, whilst celebrating a corrupt government that loots the nation and is ineffective.

China’s form of government is the most superior in the world for development, but Somalia is too low IQ for it to be implemented in our country.

forget development for a sec. somalia needs brutal authoratarian rule just to prevent its leaders from pimping out dalka. we have an extreme case of out of control treason.

 

[Sajid]

The painful truth is that from what I see is that Somalia wouldn't be a dictatorship nation or a Islam Emirate.

Somalia will be a Confederate and this is the good end for Somalia because Somali people still aren't ready to be one nation.

If we want greater Somalia them we must make the people go to achieve this goal on their own.

A great leader can't move a sleeping nation and if he did it will be during his reign only.

We Somali live in a daydream and we must wake up unless we want to be ethio-kenyan people.


And plz don't say we are strong and Allah is with us because it's clear that he isn't.

 

[GuanYu]

There is just as much evidence of you leaving Islam than Siad Barre. You believe that the practices of the Prophet (SAW) and the Hadith such as the shariah are problematic for modern times and outdated. You believe that the Muslim ummah has become extreme and backwards because we don’t legalise homosexuality.

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waa cajiib

 

[Velœcity]

Democracy is the only way forward sxb, f*ck 4.5, 1M1V

 

[Velœcity]

Al-Shabaab wasn’t around in the 80s but two things that made Siyad Barre leave the fold of Islam (ignoring hisconversion to Christianity to get arms from bantu countries)

1. Rejection of Surah Nisa.

2. Killing Islamic scholars for opposing his rejection of Surah Nisa

The nigga literally had 5 wives and ppl call him a Muslim

 

[Velœcity]

The painful truth is that from what I see is that Somalia wouldn't be a dictatorship nation or a Islam Emirate.

Somalia will be a Confederate and this is the good end for Somalia because Somali people still aren't ready to be one nation.

If we want greater Somalia them we must make the people go to achieve this goal on their own.

A great leader can't move a sleeping nation and if he did it will be during his reign only.

We Somali live in a daydream and we must wake up unless we want to be ethio-kenyan people.


And plz don't say we are strong and Allah is with us because it's clear that he isn't.

Allah is always with us sxb

 

[Velœcity]

There is just as much evidence of you leaving Islam than Siad Barre. You believe that the practices of the Prophet (SAW) and the Hadith such as the shariah are problematic for modern times and outdated. You believe that the Muslim ummah has become extreme and backwards because we don’t legalise homosexuality.

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Sxb wax ban ku waydiina, do you think the isaaq genocide was lawful under islam? Was it lawful under your morals?

 

[ZBR]

In the known history of the Somali people, theirs has never been a time in which they were ruled by an autocratic rule other then-recent time of Siyad Barre, furthermore Somali's have also never been ruled by Islamic Law in their history.

The earlier Somali people used a traditional law called 'xeer', which was based on Islamic rules but also had elements of Somali traditions. In essence, Somali culture was always democratic and goals had to be reached through a consensus, similar to modern elections.

Also, traditional Somali society was Sufi in nature and quite lax, however, since the fall of Said Barre's government, we have had elements of Salafi ideology filtered into Somali culture from Somalis who were though in Saudia Arabia and Yemen.

Autocratic rule and harsh Salafi rules are antitheses to the Somali culture and love of freedom, that's why groups like Alshabab and dictators are disliked.

You definitely don’t know Somali history, historically the only successful leaders Somali respect were Absolute Monarchs, who had a advisory council made of elders and Islamic fiqh scholars and they lead with a iron fist for centuries

the precedent set by history is that if a centeral government in Somalia wishes to last more than a couple decades we must have a monarch . Somali‘s right now are begging for monarchy, and have absolute respect for it

 

[ZBR]

Shocking video

This is slander because that isn’t the Quran ayah at all,he just listed fractions

 

[Username]

So you want a dictator but are also against rebellion, so if we get a shitty leader we just put up with it no matter what?

 

[MANGO]

You definitely don’t know Somali history, historically the only successful leaders Somali respect were Absolute Monarchs, who had a advisory council made of elders and Islamic fiqh scholars and they lead with a iron fist for centuries

the precedent set by history is that if a centeral government in Somalia wishes to last more than a couple decades we must have a monarch . Somali‘s right now are begging for monarchy, and have absolute respect for it

A medieval monarchy is completely different to a modern state under an autocrat.
In one the King has absolutely no effect on 99% your personal life except a tax one time a year and maybe call you upto war once in your life, and well in the other you already know how invasive the modern state is in the west, imagine how much worse a paranoid autocracy would be

 

[Zachariah😎❤️]

I’ve noticed Somalis online are so obsessed with foreign man-made concepts such as democracy/elections and even boast about it. Some users on here even call for the forced removal of rulers who extend their presidency. Democracy/elections are not requirements for successful governments. I don’t think i’m the only one that doesn’t theoretically have any problem with autocratic rule (dictatorship or absolute monarchy) as long as the ruler is doing their job correctly and ruling by Islamic law?

There isn't democracy Areas controlled and ruled by Arsenal. But there is Democracy Areas ruled by central government . Then you can choose the one you want and you can live under one of the two government.