Why are Somalis so obsessed with democracy and elections?

We already had a dictator and it lead us to a destroyed country. No thanks to unelected fools running the country
I didn’t say a dictatorship was perfect, I said there’s nothing wrong with autocratic rule theoretically as long as the ruler is doing his job correctly and rules by Islamic law. If a Muslim hypothetically takes power by force then it’s an obligation to obey him, removing him is most likely going to bring about a worst outcome.
 
This is above your pay grade.

Somalis have always been Sufis, even though I don't agree with many Sufi practices, the Salafi ideology which was exported from Saudia Arabia has done considerable harm to Somali society.
You are infected by the extremists.

I don’t think there are even many Sufis left but the place they are like in Galgaduud, they’ve proven they are the strongest fighters against the khawarij. You should show them some respect.

I am not sufi but Somalia was a better nation when it was. Now we’ve got little suicide bombers running around everywhere demanding everyone follows their strict doctrine.
Do you even know what Salafism is?? Its pure Islam to the times of the Prophet SAW. How can you think that some innovation is better than the original for Somalia? :pachah1:

@bidenkulaha Those same Sufis ended up become terrorists themselves. Blowing up everything and waging war because they didn't get their way like a baby
 

bidenkulaha

GalYare
I didn’t say a dictatorship was perfect, I said there’s nothing wrong with autocratic rule theoretically as long as the ruler is doing his job correctly and rules by Islamic law. If a Muslim hypothetically takes power by force then it’s an obligation to obey him, removing him is most likely going to bring about a worst outcome.
Dadkeega waxaas ma yaqaan. Bad rulers will be dealt with by the bullet. No autocrats will ever succeed in Somalia
 
Do you even know what Salafism is?? Its pure Islam to the times of the Prophet SAW. How can you think that some innovation is better than the original for Somalia? :pachah1:
That’s the propaganda Salafis/Wahhabis want you to believe. In reality, Salafism is a movement that can trace it’s origins back to Muhammad Ibn Abd al-Wahhab al-Najdi who was condemned by the scholars of his time (including his own brother Suleiman ibn Abd al-Wahhab). This sect is only popular today because the Saudis spent a lot of their oil money spreading their Najdi sect of Islam.
 

bidenkulaha

GalYare
Do you even know what Salafism is?? Its pure Islam to the times of the Prophet SAW. How can you think that some innovation is better than the original for Somalia? :pachah1:

@bidenkulaha Those same Sufis ended up become terrorists themselves. Blowing up everything and waging war because they didn't get their way like a baby
I know and I think anyone who engages with that such should be treated like the khawarij.

Salafis claim nearly everything is bidah. Just because it wasn’t recorded/known or by the first couple centuries. They also claim that Allah has literal body parts because they believe the Quran is 100% literal all the time therefore when Allah says ‘my hand’ they believe he has a human form.

The purest form of Islam is just being a Sunni. Follow the hadeeth, Sunnah and Quran. We don’t need new sects claiming their own interpretations of the Quran, hadeeth etc. scholars rejected Abdul-wahhab’s teachings btw.
 
I didn’t say a dictatorship was perfect, I said there’s nothing wrong with autocratic rule theoretically as long as the ruler is doing his job correctly and rules by Islamic law. If a Muslim hypothetically takes power by force then it’s an obligation to obey him, removing him is most likely going to bring about a worst outcome.
Obeying a Muslim leader is fardh, nothing good comes out of rebellion. That’s why after Somalis rebelled against Siad barre, nothing good came after it. Just misery, death, destruction, rape, and leaders who are worse than him. Those who rebelled against him will be punished by Allah for the fitnah they brought.
 

bidenkulaha

GalYare
Obeying a Muslim leader is fardh, nothing good comes out of rebellion. That’s why after Somalis rebelled against Siad barre, nothing good came after it. Just misery, death, destruction, rape, and leaders who are worse than him. Those who rebelled against him will be punished by Allah for the fitnah they brought.
Islam allows you to rebel against gaalo rulers. Siyad Barre left the fold of Islam so it was xaq :lolbron:
 

bidenkulaha

GalYare
Who made takfir on Siad Barre? Which scholars? Feel free to name them. Other than Al Shabab.
Al-Shabaab wasn’t around in the 80s but two things that made Siyad Barre leave the fold of Islam (ignoring hisconversion to Christianity to get arms from bantu countries)

1. Rejection of Surah Nisa.

2. Killing Islamic scholars for opposing his rejection of Surah Nisa
 
I didn’t say a dictatorship was perfect, I said there’s nothing wrong with autocratic rule theoretically as long as the ruler is doing his job correctly and rules by Islamic law. If a Muslim hypothetically takes power by force then it’s an obligation to obey him, removing him is most likely going to bring about a worst outcome.
what islamic country should we follow?
 
Al-Shabaab wasn’t around in the 80s but two things that made Siyad Barre leave the fold of Islam (ignoring hisconversion to Christianity to get arms from bantu countries)

1. Rejection of Surah Nisa.

2. Killing Islamic scholars for opposing his rejection of Surah Nisa
I didn’t ask you that question. I said which scholars made takfir on Siad Barre? Which Sheikh? You made Takfir on him yourself, no Sheikh ever did. And you are an ignorant that hasn’t even srudied

The only people who will agree with you are Al Shabab. The dogs of hellfire. I suggest you repent of you care about your religion, because anyone who makes takfir on a Muslim is a kaafir

Prophet Muhammad saw: “Whoever calls a man ‘kafir’ [disbeliever] or said ‘O, enemy of Allah’, when he is not one, (the accusation) will rebound to him” (narrated by Al-Bukhari and Muslim).
 

bidenkulaha

GalYare
I didn’t ask you that question. I said which scholars made takfir on Siad Barre? Which Sheikh? You made Takfir on him yourself, no Sheikh ever did. And you are an ignorant that hasn’t even srudied

The only people who will agree with you are Al Shabab. The dogs of hellfire. I suggest you repent of you care about your religion, because anyone who makes takfir on a Muslim is a kaafir

Prophet Muhammad saw: “Whoever calls a man ‘kafir’ [disbeliever] or said ‘O, enemy of Allah’, when he is not one, (the accusation) will rebound to him” (narrated by Al-Bukhari and Muslim).
Wariya Iska aamus, you know nothing. Nearly every sheikh and culuma were calling for jihad in the late 80s. Especially from where I’m from in central Somalia. In fact many of my uncles who were sheikhs engaged in the fight to get rid of that kuffar who was not only mocking the Quran but genociding Muslims.

I can’t believe you are claiming rejection of the Quran followed by mocking it doesn’t take someone out of Islam.
 
The irony is, Siad Barre never called for the legalisation of homosexuality like @bidenkulaha did. He believes that the Muslim world is extreme for not tolerating fagg0ts, and has the nerve to accuse Siad Barre of kufr.

Let’s not forget the Ottomans effectively decriminalised homosexuality in the Muslim world in the 19th century, way before the Western world. Look how extreme we’ve become today, we can’t even let a woman work without harassing her now.
 
As for OPs question, democracy coincides with nomadic nature of Somalis where every man has the right to voice his opinion. Somalis participation in political discourse has been noted to exceed western countries.

Freedom of speech and political expression .PNG



That bastard Afweyne thought he could repress the Somali people with his new-found state apparatus. When there is no venue for political expression, it is bound to escalate into violence.


Democracy is great for Somalia. Let the majority rule.
 

Juke

Asagu/Asaga
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Al-Shabaab wasn’t around in the 80s but two things that made Siyad Barre leave the fold of Islam (ignoring hisconversion to Christianity to get arms from bantu countries)

1. Rejection of Surah Nisa.

2. Killing Islamic scholars for opposing his rejection of Surah Nisa
Purging the clergy and institutionalizing equality of the sexes are common Marxist actions that were performed all over the world. Don't think it's correct to personally attribute those policies to Afweyne, if not him the Soviets would've found another figure head.
 

bidenkulaha

GalYare
Purging the clergy and institutionalizing equality of the sexes are common Marxist actions that were performed all over the world. Don't think it's correct to personally attribute those policies to Afweyne, if not him the Soviets would've found another figure head.
If you notice I kept it to those chronological events.

He killed 10 scholars after they said it’s kuffr to reject and mock the Quran.

He killed many before and after. Just like he genocided many before and after. But given many make excuses for that and say it was a rebellion I kept them out.

But the strongest case for him leaving the fold of Islam imo is killing those scholars who said his rejection of Surah Nisa was kuffr.
 
If you notice I kept it to those chronological events.

He killed 10 scholars after they said it’s kuffr to reject and mock the Quran.

He killed many before and after. Just like he genocided many before and after. But given many make excuses for that and say it was a rebellion I kept them out.

But the strongest case for him leaving the fold of Islam imo is killing those scholars who said his rejection of Surah Nisa was kuffr.
There is just as much evidence of you leaving Islam than Siad Barre. You believe that the practices of the Prophet (SAW) and the Hadith such as the shariah are problematic for modern times and outdated. You believe that the Muslim ummah has become extreme and backwards because we don’t legalise homosexuality.

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