Why are Somalis so obsessed with democracy and elections?

[Deleted L]

I’ve noticed Somalis online are so obsessed with foreign man-made concepts such as democracy/elections and even boast about it. Some users on here even call for the forced removal of rulers who extend their presidency. Democracy/elections are not requirements for successful governments. I don’t think i’m the only one that doesn’t theoretically have any problem with autocratic rule (dictatorship or absolute monarchy) as long as the ruler is doing their job correctly and ruling by Islamic law?

 

[Lebron James]

Don’t mix religion with politics, we need to separate it

 

[Hamzza]

Don’t mix religion with politics, we need to separate it

We are not Godless people

 

[Based]

Democracy doesn’t work in countries like Somalia. Everybody will just vote for their own corrupt or not. Educate the population first

 

[Badboy4life]

Don’t mix religion with politics, we need to separate it

Are you a even a Muslim? Or are you just stupid? We need to govern our lands with the laws of Allaah swt and we can't seperate our religion from politics. Seperating religion from politics is a western concept and not something from islaam.

 

[Lebron James]

Are you a even a Muslim? Or are you just stupid? We need to govern our lands with the laws of Allaah swt and we can't seperate our religion from politics. Seperating religion from politics is a western concept and not something from islaam.

You want full sharia law in Somalia ?

 

[bidenkulaha]

We already had a dictator and it lead us to a destroyed country. No thanks to unelected fools running the country

 

[Badboy4life]

You want full sharia law in Somalia ?

Yes, and in every Muslim country.

 

[Lebron James]

Yes, and in every Muslim country.

I think we should make Somalia progressive, all of you live in the west and are comfortable and progressing because of its system and never want to leave. Why so pushy for sharia back home. Lets modernize our country

 

[Keep it a boqol]

I think we should make Somalia progressive, all of you live in the west and are comfortable and progressing because of its system and never want to leave. Why so pushy for sharia back home. Lets modernize our country

Yeah bro make Somalia lgbtq+ friendly that’ll definitely help our economy and corruption

 

[NinWero]

I’ve noticed Somalis online are so obsessed with foreign man-made concepts such as democracy/elections and even boast about it. Some users on here even call for the forced removal of rulers who extend their presidency. Democracy/elections are not requirements for successful governments. I don’t think i’m the only one that doesn’t theoretically have any problem with autocratic rule (dictatorship or absolute monarchy) as long as the ruler is doing their job correctly and ruling by Islamic law?

In the known history of the Somali people, theirs has never been a time in which they were ruled by an autocratic rule other then-recent time of Siyad Barre, furthermore Somali's have also never been ruled by Islamic Law in their history.

The earlier Somali people used a traditional law called 'xeer', which was based on Islamic rules but also had elements of Somali traditions. In essence, Somali culture was always democratic and goals had to be reached through a consensus, similar to modern elections.

Also, traditional Somali society was Sufi in nature and quite lax, however, since the fall of Said Barre's government, we have had elements of Salafi ideology filtered into Somali culture from Somalis who were though in Saudia Arabia and Yemen.

Autocratic rule and harsh Salafi rules are antitheses to the Somali culture and love of freedom, that's why groups like Alshabab and dictators are disliked.

 

[Keep it a boqol]

In the known history of the Somali people, theirs has never been a time in which they were ruled by an autocratic rule other then-recent time of Siyad Barre, furthermore Somali's have also never been ruled by Islamic Law in their history.

The earlier Somali people used a traditional law called 'xeer', which was based on Islamic rules but also had elements of Somali traditions. In essence, Somali culture was always democratic and goals had to be reached through a consensus, similar to modern elections.

Also, traditional Somali society was Sufi in nature and quite lax, however, since the fall of Said Barre's government, we have had elements of Salafi ideology filtered into Somali culture from Somalis who were though in Saudia Arabia and Yemen.

Autocratic rule and harsh Salafi rules are antitheses to the Somali culture and love of freedom, that's why groups like Alshabab and dictators are disliked.

How did Somali sultanates choose the sultans ?

 

[Deleted L]

In the known history of the Somali people, theirs has never been a time in which they were ruled by an autocratic rule other then-recent time of Siyad Barre, furthermore Somali's have also never been ruled by Islamic Law in their history.

The earlier Somali people used a traditional law called 'xeer', which was based on Islamic rules but also had elements of Somali traditions. In essence, Somali culture was always democratic and goals had to be reached through a consensus, similar to modern elections.

Also, traditional Somali society was Sufi in nature and quite lax, however, since the fall of Said Barre's government, we have had elements of Salafi ideology filtered into Somali culture from Somalis who were though in Saudia Arabia and Yemen.

Autocratic rule and harsh Salafi rules are antitheses to the Somali culture and love of freedom, that's why groups like Alshabab and dictators are disliked.

“In the known history of the Somali people, theirs has never been a time in which they were ruled by an autocratic rule”

This isn’t true. There were Somali sultanates who’s lands were governed by absolute monarchies.

“Autocratic rule and harsh Salafi rules are antitheses to the Somali culture and love of freedom”

And that’s why Somalia has been a failed state for 3 decades, they don’t like the rule of law or they’re not pragmatic with the rule of law. Any slight disagreement with the ruler can lead to him being violently overthrown. If a Muslim ruler seizes power by force then it’s an obligation to obey him for the sake of peace and stability in society.

 

[Lebron James]

Yeah bro make Somalia lgbtq+ friendly that’ll definitely help our economy and corruption

who said anything about LGBTQ

We should be progressive & secular. women should be allowed freedom, one man one vote, freedom of speech etc. We will not improve with sharia law in my opinion especially as somalis take things too far.

Somali salafis in the west are already a headache i cant imagine the mess they would make in mass back home

 

[Mozart]

Are you a even a Muslim? Or are you just stupid? We need to govern our lands with the laws of Allaah swt and we can't seperate our religion from politics. Seperating religion from politics is a western concept and not something from islaam.

That relies on integrity. Somali sheikhs pipe up and use religion to rally behind politicians they personally support. Imagine clowns like that making rules and judgements based on religion.

 

[Malik_N_Tea]

Don’t mix religion with politics, we need to separate it

And we wonder who taught you that

 

[six]

In the known history of the Somali people, theirs has never been a time in which they were ruled by an autocratic rule other then-recent time of Siyad Barre, furthermore Somali's have also never been ruled by Islamic Law in their history.

The earlier Somali people used a traditional law called 'xeer', which was based on Islamic rules but also had elements of Somali traditions. In essence, Somali culture was always democratic and goals had to be reached through a consensus, similar to modern elections.

Also, traditional Somali society was Sufi in nature and quite lax, however, since the fall of Said Barre's government, we have had elements of Salafi ideology filtered into Somali culture from Somalis who were though in Saudia Arabia and Yemen.

Autocratic rule and harsh Salafi rules are antitheses to the Somali culture and love of freedom, that's why groups like Alshabab and dictators are disliked.

Imagine thinking Salafism is "harsh" to the freedom of Somalis . Go and dance around a grave please

 

[NinWero]

“In the known history of the Somali people, theirs has never been a time in which they were ruled by an autocratic rule”

This isn’t true. There were Somali sultanates who’s lands were governed by absolute monarchies.

“Autocratic rule and harsh Salafi rules are antitheses to the Somali culture and love of freedom”

And that’s why Somalia has been a failed state for 3 decades, they don’t like the rule of law or they’re not pragmatic with the rule of law. Any slight disagreement with the ruler can lead to him being violently overthrown. If a Muslim ruler seizes power by force then it’s an obligation to obey him for the sake of peace and stability in society.

Absolute monarchies but ruled by consensus. The reality is Somalis will never accept dynastic rule or harsh rule, it's the nature of the Somali people.

 

[NinWero]

Imagine thinking Salafism is "harsh" to the freedom of Somalis . Go and dance around a grave please

This is above your pay grade.

Somalis have always been Sufis, even though I don't agree with many Sufi practices, the Salafi ideology which was exported from Saudia Arabia has done considerable harm to Somali society.

 

[bidenkulaha]

Imagine thinking Salafism is "harsh" to the freedom of Somalis . Go and dance around a grave please

You are infected by the extremists.

I don’t think there are even many Sufis left but the place they are like in Galgaduud, they’ve proven they are the strongest fighters against the khawarij. You should show them some respect.

I am not sufi but Somalia was a better nation when it was. Now we’ve got little suicide bombers running around everywhere demanding everyone follows their strict doctrine.