Why America is sleeping on this guy?

[ZakWantsToPlay]

I’ve told you this before, Americans trust corporations over government and why wouldn’t they? One is far more effective/democratic, government trust is at all time lows, UBI is different though as government isn’t involved to much, its universal so no need to focus on qualification, you can do what ever you want with it so no government checking on you and you can sell it to the masses of Americans

Corporations like and rely on good governance so they can make riches. You think a chaotic america would have wall street? Any modern society with well functioning government tends to produce wealth through a system of checks of balances. Also, social programs are the backbone to the corporate economy. If government did not fund public education for twelve years minimum, corporations wouldn't have workers they can rely on to produce stuff that makes money for them. Research is funded through public money while corporations reap the benefits. Public univerisities are socially funded and they are the centers of progress and ideas that are later bought by corporations. They patent the student's works and turn it into a commodity.

Let us not pretend Corporations are anything but individuals who rely on the socially invested people in their respective localities to make money. No social ivnestment, no corporations.

 

[Tukraq]

Corporations like and rely on good governance so they can make riches. You think a chaotic america would have wall street? Any modern society with well functioning government tends to produce wealth through a system of checks of balances. Also, social programs are the backbone to the corporate economy. If government did not fund public education for twelve years minimum, corporations wouldn't have workers they can rely on to produce stuff that makes money for them. Research is funded through public money while corporations reap the benefits. Public univerisities are socially funded and theya re the center of progress and ideas that are bolught by corporations. They patent the student's works and turn it into a commodity.

Let us not pretend Corporations are anything but individuals who rely on the socially invested people in their respective localities to make money. No social ivnestment, no corporations.

Both corporations and government rely on the same thing the people, with privatized education(already exists) why wouldn’t corporations have workers? Doesn’t most research happen at private schools like Harvard and not low quality public ones?

 

[ZakWantsToPlay]

Both corporations and government rely on the same thing the people, with privatized education(already exists) why wouldn’t corporations have workers? Doesn’t most research happen at private schools like Harvard and not low quality public ones?

Education for profit is the worst kind as many in society would not have an opportunity to climb up the ladder. Your ideas are terrible and selfish because you forget your ability to write basic english came about because of your public education. People funded of course when your skinny ass paid zero contribution whilst in it.

 

[Tukraq]

Education for profit is the worst kind as many in society would not have an opportunity to climb up the ladder. Your ideas are terrible and selfish because you forget your ability to write basic english came about because of your public education. People funded of course when your skinny ass paid zero contribution whilst in it.

Careful there, Harvard is education for profit, so are charter schools, they are higher quality because they teach better than public does, public education can’t compete, there’s a reason for this private sector always does better because competition compels them to do better, also we vote on who’s better ever time we pay money so those companies who suck we don’t pay and they go out of bussiness, it’s not the same with government as I pay for it blindly through taxes and don’t have the medium to tell them there roads suck or there education isn’t up to par and needs improvement, in the private sector you have that medium as your voting daily with your dollars

 

[Ras]

I doubt inflation would jump up drastically.

It'll come back down to an equilibrium because automation leads to lower overall cost.

Soon enough competition will increase because there'll be more opportunities for entrepreneurship available.

Big guberment safety net just leads to concentration of money and consolidation of industries.

Then again I don't have the answer on which option is better.

 

[Tukraq]

I doubt inflation would jump up drastically.

It'll come back down to an equilibrium because automation leads to lower overall cost.

Soon enough competition will increase because there'll be more opportunities for entrepreneurship available.

Big guberment safety net just leads to concentration of money and consolidation of industries.

Then again I don't have the answer on which option is better.

Inflation wouldn’t rise as more money isn’t being printed just redistributed, the same amount of money is out there already

 

[Saintly]

This will be insane for large families. Can you imagine already owning having a house and having 5-6 people with UBI living and sharing their money? 60-72k at a MINIMUM + all other incomes from jobs, people will be doing part-time work and still be living comfy.

 

[ZakWantsToPlay]

Those all suck though, public sector is preforming terribly and would do better private tbh, lets be honest private education is always better than public, this is due to market competition where the best product is made, I mean just look at private sector infrastructure like say Elon’s boring company versus the public infrastructure not only does it save money and reduces costs but also is better quality, as we’ve seen even in the case of rockets, more innovation happening at the private level than public nasa

Majority of engineers are publicly educated. Public institutions like the university of MN graduate well rounded EE, ME, CHE, MSE and similar every year. No private university at this top level would give average student with modest background an opportunity like that.

People who were sent to the Moon were Moscow and California educated publicly.

You are misrepresenting facts sxb.

 

[Tukraq]

Majority of engineers are publicly educated. Public institutions like the university of MN graduate well rounded EE, ME, CHE, MSE and similar every year. No private university at this top level would give average student with modest background an opportunity like that.

People who sent men to the Moon were Moscow and California educated publicly.

You are misrepresenting facts sxb.

That’s by force not through competition, private sector would outcompete nasa and universities if a profit was there

 

[Abdi Nur]

Americans love socialism as long as it benefits them. Look how much money is given to corporations and nobody calls them welfare queens

 

[ZakWantsToPlay]

Americans love socialism as long as it benefits them. Look how much money is given to corporations and nobody calls them welfare queens

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The same old race wars waged in corporate settings sxb. Farmers who are exclusively white are on welfare and no one blinks an eye for the billions they get to stay in business. Ask for small amount of money to fix chicago public school slums, or any city school deprived of funds by wealthy people who used redictricting to avoid being part of the neighbourhood, and you will hear screams of government waste.

Privately owned Healthcare industry is the biggest beneficiary of government handouts because the federal government spends the highest amount to cover for millions of americans, retired from government work, the poor and the old. When people propose a sysem where the US government gets best results for the money it spends in healthcare delivery, a reasonable drug pricing and a central system where still private comanies devleir service for money, the wealthy propaganda machine gets into high gear brainwashing the less educated and the clueless semi literate folks.

They tell them socialism is about to take over America. I have never seen a more pernicious people than investors and their porfolio runners. They re bankrupting America buying up every social institution to maxmimize their profits. It is ruining lives and rendering every jewel of American public institution from schools to government powerless and beholden to the whims of few wealthy people calling the shots. It is a disgrace and America will become a third world country if these tuugo aren't put in their place.

 

[ZakWantsToPlay]

And then you have uincle toms with weak degrees arguing from their master's view point. Pure Scandal.

 

[ZakWantsToPlay]

That’s by force not through competition, private sector would outcompete nasa and universities if a profit was there

Breh, you do realize societies have priorities that include educating their children, both poor and rich alike in a system that guarantees their success? A neutral system where no group of people gains special favour and privelege ideally?

Public schools and private schools should be available. With that said, public schools and public institutions are for society's benefit. They should take priority in investment. Private insitutions are to advance private interests ultimately despite offering public service(some of them at least). Bench-marks are set for both to ensure their success.

Your view of only private enterpirse does not exist in modern societies. That is a recipe for failure and regress. Such for-profit systems are not designed to help society advance social progress but to fill the coffers of private citizens who own them. I am not sure we are debating on the same issue.

To me, public institutions hold higher values than private institutions simply because the latter is not about social progress.

 

[Tukraq]

Breh, you do realize societies have priorities that include educating their children, both poor and rich alike in a system that guarantees their success? A neutral system where no group of people gains special favour and privelege ideally?

Public schools and private schools should be available. With that said, public schools and public institutions are for society's benefit. They should take priority in investment. Private insitutions are to advance private interests ultimately despite offering public service(some of them at least). Bench-marks are set for both to ensure their success.

Your view of only private enterpirse does not exist in modern societies. That is a recipe for failure and regress. Such for-profit systems are not designed to help society advance social progress but to fill the coffers of private citizens who own them. I am not sure we are debating on the same issue.

To me, public institutions hold higher values than private institutions simply because the latter is not about social progress.

That’s not true, private institutions answer a societal problem but generate income while solving that problem or need, government ran programs don’t generate income but are kind of a sinkhole to answer these same needs, markets are more efficient and Create/answer these societal needs better than government, government should only step in when that’s not the case for example nasa for so many years needed to be publicly funded as government could do it better than the private sector, now that’s not the case anymore, government is needed for where the private sector can’t

 

[ZakWantsToPlay]

To give an example of how failing for-profit schools in United States are, Look at this chart below:

The idea behind these charter and virtual schools were to fill a need that existed within the Public school system. The argument was private run schools are better. Turns out the opposite.

 

[Omar del Sur]

commies.

We would be crazy to put a Chinese Communist in charge. Are we to be ruled over by the CCP?

I think he should be investigated for being a Chinese spy.

 

[ZakWantsToPlay]

That’s not true, private institutions answer a societal problem but generate income while solving that problem or need, government ran programs don’t generate income but are kind of a sinkhole to answer these same needs, markets are more efficient and Create/answer these societal needs better than government, government should only step in when that’s not the case for example nasa for so many years needed to be publicly funded as government could do it better than the private sector, now that’s not the case anymore, government is needed for where the private sector can’t

Bro, It is not Nasa's fault to run out of funds or to rely on public funding. The US government should have funded it to the fullest since NASA is responsible for many useful technologies.

Seems to me You are blaming an institution that depends on policy makers for its funding. Republicans who have your same day-light robbery economic views are the ones who keep denying NASA the funding it needs. They are so anti public institutions in that anyone of them who comes into a position of power seeks to destroy respected public institutions.

People who preach market economy and privatization of everything are the same people usually who deny and deprive public institutions the money they need to be productive.


It is good Elon has the money to fund his company and design rockets cheaper, but that doesn't mean NASA should be denied funding so they continue to contribute a weatlh of scientific knowledge posisble only through the dedication of men and women who believe in the Public Good.


You know, not everybody wants to get rich and sets that as their highest priority in life. Majority of human beings want satisfaction out of what they do in life outside earning money. Money is not everything and definitely everybody eats, sleeps, and has worries whether they have tons of money or enough to get by.

 

[ZakWantsToPlay]

TokuRaq


When you have time, check out this PDF note about NASA's 50 year Derived Technologies. You would be amazed.

50 YEARS O F NASA-DERIVED TECHNOLOGIES (1958-2008)


https://spinoff.nasa.gov/Spinoff2008/pdf/spinoff2008.pdf




High achieving society is not all about about who can get rich but who can dedicate their time and efforts to help both humanity and thier own countrymen by coming up with something useful. Good governments seek out and nurture talents so the future looks better for that country and for everybody else.

Money is good but it is not everything. That is why all well functioning countries have invested heaviliy in public educationa dn in public institutions. Poor countries usually mean poor governance and poorly educated society.

 

[ZakWantsToPlay]

btw, Tukoraq Also, Mike Griffin, a NASA manager in 2005 invested in SpaceX with government money and started a deal with Elom Musk. That is how Elon Musk started his project. With the help of NASA expertise. There is good in marrying public and private ventures so something gets done. The government is good with accountability because they are using the public money, and thus demand successful outcome from private companies hired for a project. Google the NASA, Elon and SpaceX collaboration.

In America, public research and public funding are behind all private industry successes. Many who left government agencies started private businesses or collaborated with private investors to get something great going.

Public investment is the best way to narture young talents who would languish in poverty without opportunities. Wealth based systems of education usually cater to the well-to-do people only. You need to level the field for all children so the talented can get somewhere as much as the rich kid can get also somewhere.

My apologies if I sounded rude earlier. Bear with me.

 

[ZakWantsToPlay]

Sorry, one more thing to mention, self-driving cars became successful only because Pentagon put out an award and a possible contract for whoever builds a working self driving car. The reason the Pentagon did this was because years and years of reseach in their facilities did not produce a self-driving car without major issues.

You can find that Pentagon project competition on Youtube and see companies building their self-driving cars for the first time and how some of them failed during the exam day. Pentagon hired on the spot some of the engineers who came up with the successful version. Private companies also exchanged notes in that competition for future collaboration on a difficult technology that required more people to work together.

Win win for everyone, both public and private entities gain something from one another. You need that collaboration with the public insititutions always being the bedrock for talent production. People are born with brains in their majority and not with wealth, so using the common wealth(brain) by investing in it as the central tenet for progress is ideal compared to wealth that not many in every society are blessed with.