Who Won The Civil War In Somalia?
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Winning a war isn't about how many people you killed. It's about have u reached your political goals? USC collapsed on it's own and turned on each other, they were big centralist lovers because they live in the capital and was imagining they can use the capital as a vehicle to govern somalia like siyad barre. This vision wasn't seen through due to their own in-fighting looooooooool.This political thought is so taboo in today's politics, it cannot be heard from anyone who wants to run Somalia because believe ppl believe it will lead to another civil war like happened with USC.
SNM well they been begging world wide for recognition and never got it, till today they operate like an imaginary nation. So who's left? SSDF. Today the nation is following in SSDF political vision(regionalism and sharing the capital) and this is internationally recognized. I know @Bariire hates it but yes the capital will be shared at all times, the regionalism we purposed isn't including mogadishu being a region, mogadishu is a ho la wada qaybsanayo kkkkkk while everyone else has their own regions separately. This means in good times we will eat in hamar, in bad times we wont collapse with hamar loooooooool and have our own regions separately. Beautiful system waryaa
SNM well they been begging world wide for recognition and never got it, till today they operate like an imaginary nation. So who's left? SSDF. Today the nation is following in SSDF political vision(regionalism and sharing the capital) and this is internationally recognized. I know @Bariire hates it but yes the capital will be shared at all times, the regionalism we purposed isn't including mogadishu being a region, mogadishu is a ho la wada qaybsanayo kkkkkk while everyone else has their own regions separately. This means in good times we will eat in hamar, in bad times we wont collapse with hamar loooooooool and have our own regions separately. Beautiful system waryaa
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No one won the somali civil war hence why we’re still a failed state 30 years later
4cryingoutloud
Puntland republic 🇸🇱
This is true, the SSDF:s political objectives were largely accomplished and it’s the vision of SSDF:s leaders that Somalia’s governing framework is built on today.
USC with their centralist views have totally failed and SNM:s objectives although some what have been successful with the self governing and self declared succession, have failed in convincing the international world that they are not part of Somalia and I think this is also largely thanks to SSDF:s vision in blocking the SNM:s ambition due to the federal political system.
The SSDF were indeed visionaries.
Good analysis Dr.
USC with their centralist views have totally failed and SNM:s objectives although some what have been successful with the self governing and self declared succession, have failed in convincing the international world that they are not part of Somalia and I think this is also largely thanks to SSDF:s vision in blocking the SNM:s ambition due to the federal political system.
The SSDF were indeed visionaries.
Good analysis Dr.
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After losing millions of people through starvation, killings, and and anarchy, we still don't have a functioning state that controls Somalia's borders. Our maritime resources are robbed, and toxic waste is dumped to our ocean. Our country is fractured and cadaan gaalo stationed in Xalane are calling the shots in Somalia and constantly engineer squabbling between the sitting president and prime ministers. Our forests are also destroyed so a fat Arab in UAE can have a sweet charcoal for his shisha. No one won. We all lost. And sadly, we still have the same mentality that has led us to this disaster.
somalipatriot
Unfortunately, therefore lack of any wisdom
USC the biggest loser in the history of rebel groups their only achievement was the overthrow of Siad barre nothing else no government formed afterwards interfighting destruction of the capital to rubble famine I will never understand the logic behind aidid’s refusal to recognise Ali Mahdi as president since he was even congratulated by Siad barre’s home region gedo now what else is there to say my compatriot
somalipatriot
Unfortunately, therefore lack of any wisdom
This mentality was mainly fed by Somali parents who fled their homeland their bizarre clan ideology is still visible in the youth today but the majority are idealistic clever and want a better stable Somalia
somalipatriot
Unfortunately, therefore lack of any wisdom
If only they had won Somalia would have remained a stable country with law and institutions they tried to recapture Mogadishu twice after Siad barre departed in January 1991 in a tank and convoy of 50 cars for his clan strongholds in southwestern Somalia the main cause was that the SPM led by Omar jess who was once a colonel in the Somali national army prior to 1991 he deserted after the arrest of the then defence minister Aden gabyow in 1988 in March 1989 soldiers of the Ogaden clan mutinied in Kismayo, and fighting continued until the government troops gained the upper hand in July. But following their defeat the various factions, including the SPM SSDF and SNF regrouped under the banner of the SPM. Internal conflicts over land were forgotten the second attempt to retake xamar was crushed in part because Omar jess ordered his fighters to push back the snf
What is the purpose of rebel groups? Who is moronic enough to expect a militia/guerrilla group to be the foundation of sound government?
The aim of the non-Darood militias was to bring down the Darood dictatorship. They did that successfully. Mission accomplished.
In SL, the foundations of a government was built more by the clan elders of all SL inhabitants led by the likes of Garaad Cabdiqani & Sheikh Cali Jowhar, not just by the SNM.
You're just sour because the USC took revenge. I don't condone their actions, but neither would I have expected them to be the basis of a new government.
somalipatriot
Unfortunately, therefore lack of any wisdom
The usc was created funded by the SNM they encouraged them to so called get Siad barre boots off their necks and no it had nothing to do with darood or any other clan since it was a national government overthrown consisting of all clans/subclans and yes they would have been able to set up a government For its part, the SNM initially refused to accept the legitimacy of the provisional government that the USC had established but in March 1991 the SNM's former leader Ahmed silaanyo proposed a power-sharing framework between the SNM and USC under a new transitional government. To conclude aidid’s refusal to recognise and cooperate with Ali Mahdi Muhammad was the root cause of Somalia not having a government after Siad barre’s overthrow
The thing with politics is that there are no permanent winners.
once stability returns our youth will realize that they need each other, in order to develop the nation peacefully.
This will develop into non tribal related political groups. Slowly but steadily qabiil influenced policy will become a regional thing.
the civil war is kinda over, this political infighting is based upon centralism and federalist. Whom ever wins will influence rather than control our shared destiny for the next decades.
see at as our very own dems vs reps type a thing, with SL being the independent
once stability returns our youth will realize that they need each other, in order to develop the nation peacefully.
This will develop into non tribal related political groups. Slowly but steadily qabiil influenced policy will become a regional thing.
the civil war is kinda over, this political infighting is based upon centralism and federalist. Whom ever wins will influence rather than control our shared destiny for the next decades.
see at as our very own dems vs reps type a thing, with SL being the independent
I regret trying to engage in a meaningful discussion...
Just sheer, uninformed gobbledygook.
somalipatriot
Unfortunately, therefore lack of any wisdom
Uninformed? How is this not accurate or are you just expecting all Somalis are incredibly naive? What we are saying is both completely true and I’m fully aware of the northwestern part of Somalia secession in 1991 and who put it on the table this is common knowledge among somalis
While we're still debating my clan or my rebel group did this or that, this is how the rest of the world is moving forward.
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I asked a very narrow, focused questions. You went on an incoherent, irrelevant rant.
It was my mistake to engage in a conversation with you. You post the same uninformed answer to just about every question that is ever asked, filled with hearsay and conspiracy theories and based on verifiable facts.
reer
VIP
but usc killed more hawiye than darods lmao.
That's not what the Jaberti's complainng about the USC care about.
