Who were the best generals of war?

[Hassan mahat]

The Arab tribes were vastly outnumbered by over 200,000 well armed and formidable Byzantine army and that’s just in Yarmouk. You can picture the rest.

Both empires were on life support, Don’t compare him to Alexander and Julius Caesar. besides Khalid did not even participate in al qadissiyah style which was the main battle that crippled the Sassaniad empire.

 

[Karim]

@Hassan mahat your logic make no sense at all.
Alexander defeats the Persians you call him masterful, destroyer of Persia etc. But Khalid does the same with relatively less equipment, less logistics support and less manpower and you call him "incompetent".

Julius Caesar defeats bunch of untrained "tribesmen" in Gallic wars and you praise him hard even though the number of combatants that he faced were 75-100k according to historians. But he decimated the population killing more than a million and enslaving hundreds of thousands.

What you fail to mention is their superior equipment and how hard well trained his soldiers were, they had the greatest logistics support ever too. Compare that to a small Arab Bedouin never lifted his finger at his Roman and Persian masters yet against all odds decimates the two Empire AT ONE GO.

I ain't surprised that you're spewing such rubbish, you claim to be Muslim but your values and beliefs contradict our religion. You hate Muslim heros yet you simp hard for over exaggerated Western generals.

 

[Hassan mahat]

@Hassan mahat your logic make no sense at all.
Alexander defeats the Persians you call him masterful, destroyer of Persia etc. But Khalid does the same with relatively less equipment, less logistics support and less manpower and you call him "incompetent".

Julius Caesar defeats bunch of untrained "tribesmen" in Gallic wars and you praise him hard even though the number of combatants that he faced were 75-100k according to historians. But he decimated the population killing more than a million and enslaving hundreds of thousands.

What you fail to mention is their superior equipment and how hard well trained his soldiers were, they had the greatest logistics support ever too. Compare that to a small Arab Bedouin never lift his finger at his Roman and Persian masters yet against all odds decimates the two Empire AT ONE GO.

I ain't surprised that you're spewing such rubbish, you claim to be Muslim but your values and beliefs contradict our religion. You hate Muslim heros yet you simp hard for over exaggerated Western generals.

Lol, this guy compared the Persian empire during the Alexander time and the sassinid (Persian). The Sassanids were very week and Byzantines were also on life support.

Julius Caesar also defeated Pompey Magnus who had Roman legions and Roman army and even outnumbered caesar, I like how you ignore that.
Khalid was good, probably in top 15 but not near the top 5 much less 3.

 

[Villainess]

Lol, this guy compared the Persian empire during the Alexander time and the sassinid (Persian). The Sassanids were very week and Byzantines were also on life support.

Julius Caesar also defeated Pompey Magnus who had Roman legions and Roman army and even outnumbered caesar, I like how you ignore that.
Khalid was good, probably in top 15 but not near the top 5 much less 3.

you said life support 6 times now. At least try to strengthen your argument

 

[Hassan mahat]

you said life support 6 times now. At least try to strengthen your argument

That is the most accurate discription of the dire situation of those empires at the time.

 

[Villainess]

That is the most accurate discription of the dire situation of those empires at the time.

Hassan, for you to criticize a whole leader when you yourself wouldn't last a day with a sword makes me cringe.

 

[Hassan mahat]

Hassan, for you to criticize a whole leader when you yourself wouldn't last a day with a sword makes me cringe.

Aren’t you doing the same?

 

[Karim]

Lol, this guy compared the Persian empire during the Alexander time and the sassinid (Persian). The Sassanids were very week and Byzantines were also on life support.

Julius Caesar also defeated Pompey Magnus who had Roman legions and Roman army and even outnumbered caesar, I like how you ignore that.
Khalid was good, probably in top 15 but not near the top 5 much less 3.

Dude, you're comparing untrained Arab Bedouins with far lesser equipment and manpower to one of the greatest empires the world has even seen. Rome existed before Julius Caesar, but Khalid and his compatriots were mere goat herders and pastoralists couple of years before the battles not professional soldiers, yet against all odds decimated the two super powers of that time.

How were they on life support when the number of Byzantine forces in Yarmouk battle were between 100,000 and 400,000?!!

 

[Villainess]

Aren’t you doing the same?

when did I? you on the other hand called Khalid, a great military commander who conquered while having nomad roots, "incompetent". go to sleep

 

[486th President]

Hitler was one of the greatest generals when it came to war man conquered and invaded most of Europe as well

 

[Hassan mahat]

Dude, you're comparing untrained Arab Bedouins with far lesser equipment and manpower to one of the greatest empires the world has even seen. Rome existed before Julius Caesar, but Khalid and his compatriots were mere goat herders and pastoralists couple of years before the battles not professional soldiers, yet against all odds decimated the two super powers of that time.

How were they on life support when the number of Byzantine forces in Yarmouk battle were between 100,000 and 400,000?!!

Arab fighters had some experience with the rida wars, but still Julius Caesar was more masterful and smarter than Khalid.

 

[Villainess]

Arab fighters had some experience with the rida wars, but still Julius Caesar was more masterful and smarter than Khalid.

You failed to list reasons why. You keep repeating the same thing over and over like a broken toy.

@Karim Khalid was the greatest man, no need to prove it to a guy who eats plain pasta with sugar

 

[somebody]

2- Hannibal of Carthage- he marched on Rome itself, always outnumbered and even the great Roman legions could stop until he conquered north of Italy and was defeated near Rome, he was about to end the whole republic.

3- Alexander- probably the greatest general, he was young but very capable, he destroyed the Persian empire into pieces. The mighty Persian empire with its huge army had nothing on the Macedonian army.

1- Julius Caesar- faced and conquered Gaul for the Roman republic. He was always outnumbered and one of this battles was Alesia, it was like a Miracle, Julius faced more than 300000 men with only 75 000 in which he killed 2500000, he used fences and decimated the Gauls which led their leader to surrender in humiliation.

he also faced Pompey Magnus( one of Rome’s best generals) in the Roman civil war and was still outnumbered by him, but due to his trick of decieving pompey’s cavalry, he decimated him which made him the sole Ruler of Rome. Of course, he did not rule much as a dictator since he was killed by senators.

Khalid was also outnumbered in various important battles like in battle in Ullais against the sassanid, who were outnumbered by a ratio of 1 to 4 and 1 to 3.5 in the battle of yarmouk , which is the battle regarded as one of the most decisive battles in military history and led to the rapid advance of Islam into the then Christian Levant. I still don't see how these odds still makes Khalid look inferior.

 

[Removed]

Khalid was lucky the khosrow led sassanid empire and the Byzantines just came out of decades of fighting. It was easy to conquer.

lol and Alexander wasnt lucky he inherited an established army/empire from his father and died young before he could prove himself later on.

The guy basically started a promising boxing career and retired early what a joke. Dont even get me started on you saying Khalid took on weak opponents (2 of the worlds premium empires) when you were literally praising Ceaser using the Roman superpower forces against backwards euro tribes.

Wasnt this guy saying he was gaal

 

[Karim]

Arab fighters had some experience with the rida wars, but still Julius Caesar was more masterful and smarter than Khalid.

You're a fucking IDIOT hell-bent on degrading Muslim general just to incite the members here.

Julius Caesar and his legions were professional trained soldiers for years, equipped with the greatest armour and weapons at that time. Khalid had none of that and yet he destroyed both empires.

You're a troll.

 

[Hassan mahat]

lol and Alexander wasnt lucky he inherited an established army/empire from his father and died young before he could prove himself later on.

The guy basically started a promising boxing career and retired early what a joke. Dont even get me started on you saying Khalid took on weak opponents (2 of the worlds premium empires) when you were literally praising Ceaser using the Roman superpower forces against backwards euro tribes.

Wasnt this guy saying he was gaal

Caesar defeated Pompey Magnus who was also Roman general with Roman legions, now tell me who how he attacked untrained euro tribes. Most of his battles he was Outnumbered as well.

 

[Hassan mahat]

You're a fucking IDIOT hell-bent on degrading Muslim general just to incite the members here.

Julius Caesar and his legions were professional trained soldiers for years, equipped with the greatest armour and weapons at that time. Khalid had none of that and yet he destroyed both empires.

You're a troll.

Dude answer the question: how did Caesar defeat other Roman general, Pompey Magnus isn’t he civil war then when he was still outnumbered?

 

[Hassan mahat]

lol and Alexander wasnt lucky he inherited an established army/empire from his father and died young before he could prove himself later on.

The guy basically started a promising boxing career and retired early what a joke. Dont even get me started on you saying Khalid took on weak opponents (2 of the worlds premium empires) when you were literally praising Ceaser using the Roman superpower forces against backwards euro tribes.

Wasnt this guy saying he was gaal

Hannibal of Carthage’s was even better than Khalid, he marched on Rome which was superpower and was stopped just before he took the city. He marched from Spain.

 

[Karim]

Dude answer the question: how did Caesar defeat other Roman general, Pompey Magnus isn’t he civil war then when he was still outnumbered?

You're over simplifying the war with Pompey. Both armies had almost similar numbers if you count their auxillary forces but Caesar's army had an exceptional training and experience on an individual level and very astute situational awareness compared to Pompey's legions. Pompey left most of his experienced veteran soldiers in Espana, the army that he led against Caesar was mostly composed of new inexperienced recruits. Pompey had one plan: STARVE Caesar and his army. He avoided direct confrontation with Caesar's experienced veterans for years, crossing the Adriatic sea and fleeing Italy in the process. Pompey wanted to starve Caesar into submission, but the senators with Pompey saw a sure victory and pushed for an attack. For Pompey’s men,this was likely the first battle for most, and they just thought that they needed to show up and go through the motions and their numbers would carry the day.

to Caesar’s men, the coming battle was a gift. finally, something to end their suffering and starvation. they would either die, or they would win and eat to their hearts content from Pompey’s camp.

the fact that Caesar’s men were no strangers to being outnumbered in battle helped immensely. they had little experience fighting Romans, but they were Roman themselves and so knew how rookie Romans might fight. Caesar’s veterans could exploit rookie mistakes they knew would come, experience played big in this battle and Pompey knew he couldn't match Caesar's veterans regardless of his army's size.

 

[somebody]

Hannibal of Carthage’s was even better than Khalid, he marched on Rome which was superpower and was stopped just before he took the city. He marched from Spain.

Carthage military also had a sophisticated army and the disparity between khalid and his opponents was greater than that of Hannibals and the romans. Also not to mention that Hannibal was eventually defeated by the Romans while Khalid r.a never lost.