If we’re counting Beja presence, then really recently. They were in control of plenty of riverine towns as recently as the 10th century CE iirc.
The only reason it isn't "conclusive" is because Meroitic in itself and Nilo-Saharan languages as a whole aren't understood well enough as opposed to Cushitic languages. The mystery behind them makes it so that new evidence for a Nilo-Saharan classification can always be challenged. I've seen both good arguments for and against a Nilo-Saharan classification but a Cushitic language doesn't seem like a language that would be prominent among the ancient Nubians. Obviously Cushitic languages would've existed, it would be near impossible to argue against this, but they would have been small in number and more common among the eastern desert populations as I mentioned earlier. I believe until there is evidence to say otherwise, Nilo-Saharan languages would have logically constituted the majority of Ancient Nubia with the exclusion of the Pharaonic language.
May you link these skeletal records, I am yet to find much on this. Also, I don't deny a diverse field of Eurasian admixture existing among ancient Nubians, I am simply acknowledging the Modern Nilotic connection. Interesting stuff about the curly hair, I'd also want to see a link on that it sounds pretty cool. I also prefer to dismiss anything that uses "Caucasoid" and "Negroid" as if they hold any sort of scientific value in the modern age.
I am referencing this study that dates admixture in Nubians to mostly be attributed to peninsular migrations which logically means reversing this effect leaves with an ancient population that would have some individuals with near to no genetic distance to modern notes if the West African affinity in Nilotes is ruled out. Also focus on how I mention "some" I am not arguing Kush was a homogenous playground for Dinka people.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Most of what you say is speculative and nobody has the answers but the genetic evidence that exists of the middle Nile has always shown a great chunk of Eurasian admixture in every sample.The only reason it isn't "conclusive" is because Meroitic in itself and Nilo-Saharan languages as a whole aren't understood well enough as opposed to Cushitic languages. The mystery behind them makes it so that new evidence for a Nilo-Saharan classification can always be challenged. I've seen both good arguments for and against a Nilo-Saharan classification but a Cushitic language doesn't seem like a language that would be prominent among the ancient Nubians. Obviously Cushitic languages would've existed, it would be near impossible to argue against this, but they would have been small in number and more common among the eastern desert populations as I mentioned earlier. I believe until there is evidence to say otherwise, Nilo-Saharan languages would have logically constituted the majority of Ancient Nubia with the exclusion of the Pharaonic language.
May you link these skeletal records, I am yet to find much on this. Also, I don't deny a diverse field of Eurasian admixture existing among ancient Nubians, I am simply acknowledging the Modern Nilotic connection. Interesting stuff about the curly hair, I'd also want to see a link on that it sounds pretty cool. I also prefer to dismiss anything that uses "Caucasoid" and "Negroid" as if they hold any sort of scientific value in the modern age.
I am referencing this study that dates admixture in Nubians to mostly be attributed to peninsular migrations which logically means reversing this effect leaves with an ancient population that would have some individuals with near to no genetic distance to modern notes if the West African affinity in Nilotes is ruled out. Also focus on how I mention "some" I am not arguing Kush was a homogenous playground for Dinka people.
Northeast African genomic variation shaped by the continuity of indigenous groups and Eurasian migrations - PMC
Northeast Africa has a long history of human habitation, with fossil-finds from the earliest anatomically modern humans, and housing ancient civilizations. The region is also the gate-way out of Africa, as well as a portal for migration into Africa ...
Most of what I say regarding linguistics is speculative mainly because we know so little about Meroitic, the main language of Kush, that only leaves us with more mystery revolving around the lesser-known languages spoken by the commoners. Despite my speculations, most linguists seem to advocate for a comfortable assignment of Nilo-Saharan as of right now, some Afro-Asiatic elements exist and have been acknowledged but these have been brushed off in thought of them being Ancient Egyptian influences.
I haven't seen studies in specific that manage to accurately map out any ancient Nubian genome aside from the 2 Kulubnarti samples so I'd appreciate it if you could link what you're referencing. I also do not deny the existence of Eurasian admixture in Kush, I've never denied it.
Thanks, have any of these samples (excluding Medieval) been incorporated into coordinates to be used in Vahaduo?
Medieval Nubians pre arab expansion
Cosmopolitanism at the Roman Danubian Frontier, Slavic Migrations, and the Genomic Formation of Modern Balkan Peoples
The Roman Empire expanded through the Mediterranean shores and brought human mobility and cosmopolitanism across this inland sea to an unprecedented scale. However, if this was also common at the Empire frontiers remains undetermined. The Balkans and Danube River were of strategic importance for...www.biorxiv.org
A meroitic sample found somewhere in Rome, modern day Serbia I believe.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-25384-y
Kerma period sample 4000 years ago.
Gonna have to ask someone else that question.
