Speak for yourself sexy man like me will be spared
What's the future of Somalis in the west
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Says the person whose profile picture is a nazi flag.
Sxb, I am nationalistic
and mentally unstable this profile picture depicts my inner self in a beautiful and harmonious way.
Speak for yourself sexy man like me will be spared
VixR
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With the combined forecast of climate-related and economic migrant crises (mass automation, AI, enhanced technology making most of the world labor market irrelevant), you’d better not skip off to any village. The unrest outside the West will be completely unparalleled to anything in it.@VixR alshabab might behead you for being atheist come with me to my village I'll save you
Focus on getting a career that isn’t conducive to much automation.
Check this out (here’s one paper’s reasonable analysis of a list of occupations and probability calculations for their automatization at the very end, starting on pg. 57).
Ape
Study Sunt Tzu’s, ‘Art of War’.
Your basically picking suicide by living forever in the west. The rise of nationalism in europe will lead to two things, deportation or genocide. Suit yourself sxb, the diaspora will overthrow the federal government and take power in Somalia.Speak for yourself sexy man like me will be spared
Ape
Study Sunt Tzu’s, ‘Art of War’.
They are old men who know nothing but qabiil. Overthrowing them means being elected and ordering the military to dissolve the 4.5 Parliament and arresting the previous pres
Somalis are some of Europe’s oldest and youngest African migrants. Following the outbreak of civil war in 1991, which triggered significant migration, the country was known as the world’s "most failed state," though in recent years it has transited into a "fragile state."
A Somali gunman stands guard at a road-side checkpoint near the capital Mogadishu. October 24, 2003REUTERS
Now, Somali communities can be found crowded in urban pockets in cities like Oslo, Amsterdam, Helsinki, Leicester and Malmo. The UK is home to the oldest and largest Somali diaspora outside Africa.
Somalis are some of the UK’s oldest and newest migrants; a small population arrived in the 19th century from the British-Somaliland protectorate to work as seamen in port cities such as Cardiff, Liverpool and London’s Docklands; later they were joined by refugees from the civil war. In the UK, the 2011 census recorded just over 101,000 people of Somalis living in the UK.
Note that this only records individuals actually born in Somalia. "Somali" is not given a separate ethnic checkbox in most censuses, as those British citizens of Turkish or Pakistani origins have as an option. Somalis in the UK, as elsewhere in Europe, generally come under the umbrella "Black African" category, which makes it difficult to estimate the numbers of European-born Somalis. But the truer figure of Somalis in the UK is believed to be close to 250,000.
Somalis are unusually mobile across national borders in Europe, and their intra-European mobility is particularly directed towards the UK. Thousands of people from Somalia have come to the UK from other EU member states as EU nationals from, for example, the Netherlands, Denmark and Norway. Estimates suggest 20,000 Somalis have arrived from the Netherlands alone. Studies show that between one third and a half of the entire Dutch Somali community has moved to the UK. Smaller numbers have come from Nordic countries, including 4,000 from Denmark.
Elsewhere in Europe, the history of Somali immigration is a more recent phenomenon. There were only 49 Somalis in Finland in 1990; today there are over 16,000, the largest non-white minority population in the country. In 1984 just 87 Somalis were registered in Norway, today the number is close to 30,000 – but again this only records first generation Somalis, the true figure is likely to be much higher.
The majority of young Somalis came to Europe as children or were born there, though Somalis do continue arriving on Europe’s shores, most through the infamously dangerous migrant trail from Libya to Italy.
Since 9/11, there has been a fraught conversation in Europe around issues of "shared values," citizenship and belonging around people of a Muslim background. The "war on terror" led to a binary divide in Europe between good vs bad migrant, and moderate vs radical Muslim.
And second-generation Somalis found themselves to be on the wrong sides of these binaries - in particular, second-generation Somalis.
Another experience that also sets Somalis apart from other Muslims in Europe is that they are a refugee community whose members are visibly Muslim and black, and already amongst the most vilified migrant communities in Europe.
From Norway, UK, Finland to the Netherlands a negative collective perception precedes Somalis. Somalis are framed as a troublesome group at the intersection of European fears over immigration and security, and young second-generation Somalis are coming of age in this atmosphere of fear and suspicion against them.
Somali lives in Europe are often already framed through a problematizing lens. As researchers we have encountered questions from journalists, politicians and social services such as, "What is it about Somalis?" European newspapers are peppered with negative collective stereotypes of Somalis. They are represented as "violent criminals," "oppressed veil-clad women,” "benefit cheats" and "terrorists."
It hasn’t helped that despite the relatively few incidents, jihadi extremists from the Somali community ‘win’ a high profile. The "Terror Twins", two gifted young Somali girls born in Manchester whose brother joined ISIS in Syria and whom he secretly recruited to join, were the subject of intense media coverage and speculation.
To understand the specific triggers that have driven Europeans of Somali origin to terrorism, it’s worth examining some of the key features of their biographies. Here, we present two profiles, based on interviews we carried out.
Mohamed was 8 years old when he arrived as a refugee from Mogadishu to a housing project in north London. Enrolled at a public school, he was immediately the target of bullies, teased for his poor English, and got into fights. By the time he left for high school, he had toughened up and began to take on the bullies.
Soon enough he won "respect" by joining a gang. Tutored by older Somali youth he began to sell cannabis before moving on to harder drugs such as crack and cocaine. He began carrying a knife to defend himself - gang turf wars are not uncommon. One day in the autumn of 2013 he was attacked by rival gang and repeatedly stabbed.
When he came out of hospital he took his spot again, but began to change his tone and attitude. He became tired of the constant run-ins with police, guilty for causing his mother pain, and one day he met a friend, Ahmed, a Somali boy with a similar history who told him he had found a new path through Islam. Ahmed convinced Mohamed to attend a small Islamic prayer circle ran by a neighborhood imam. That imam was not connected to the local Somali-oriented mosque but was instead a Salafi preacher known to the UK security services.
Mohamed dropped his old life. He became an informal preacher on the streets of London. He stopped the occasional beer, cannabis joints and young women. He handed out leaflets chastising British and Western foreign policy in the Muslim world. He gradually became more restless and angry critical of his fellow Brits.
Mohammed’s new identity was a form of protection against British society where he didn’t feel accepted; he chose instead to assert his Islamic identity. He began to consider how he could help his fellow Muslims abroad. He wanted to study the Quran in Egypt, but he thought it preferable to go to Somalia or Syria, where he could freely practice his newfound hardline Islamic identity. But Mohamed has never left London; he is still here, working as an Islamic teacher.
Like Mohamed, Ibrahim, who is composite character based on several different interviews, also had challenges integrating. Ibrahim was born to Somali parents in the Netherlands who decided to move their family to Leicester in England at the age of 12. He struggled to fit in. He was Dutch and Somali, a confusing mix for local kids and he had to learn English.
During his teens he did not care much about his Muslim identity, but he became friends with other young Muslims and that piqued his interest. He started to attend a prayer group and became part of an online Islamist community. Soon enough he became involved with a radical group, and was monitored by the security services.
He traveled to Kenya, and then onto Somalia with several friends. His cover was his ambition to work as a humanitarian volunteer but his mission was to join al-Shabaab, which has close links with Al-Qaeda. Suddenly he disappeared; his parents made enquiries, and he eventually turned up in neighboring Kenya.
He failed to be recruited by al-Shabaab and returned to the UK, where he was questioned by the security services and released. He has now come to regret his journey and is making efforts to get a job.
Are Somalis more prone than other immigrant Muslim groups towards radicalization? In many cases jihadi recruiters are aware of Somali youth’s fragile sense of integration and tend to target this weak spot.
As recent arrivals to Europe, their stories are different to postcolonial Muslim migrants who arrived after 1945, or to Moroccans and Turks who came as Europe's "guest workers" in the 1970s.
Another complication for Somalis is that they are black – and have faced racism within and outside the Muslim community. Most mosques tend to be run by Muslims of Indian sub-continent or Middle Eastern background, but when Somalis began to arrive in large numbers in the 1990s, they faced a double block to integration and communal life.
The story of Somali radicalization is about failures at the heart of integration. Across Europe young Somalis struggle to become Dutch, Finnish or British.
Though ideology is important to some young Somalis who get radicalized, usually this is overstated – not least by the popular media - at the at the expense of harder questions about issues of unemployment, alienation and discrimination. Somalis remain largely cut-off from the labour market in many European countries. In particular, the lack of Somali women participating in the Labour market hampers their integration.
European states have responded with a plethora of security responses. In the Netherlands, Somalis have been deported back into the middle of a civil war and in the UK, those Somali-born nationals who have been involved in radical activities or who have been suspected of belonging to terror groups have been stripped of their British passports.
A Somali gunman stands guard at a road-side checkpoint near the capital Mogadishu. October 24, 2003REUTERS
Now, Somali communities can be found crowded in urban pockets in cities like Oslo, Amsterdam, Helsinki, Leicester and Malmo. The UK is home to the oldest and largest Somali diaspora outside Africa.
Somalis are some of the UK’s oldest and newest migrants; a small population arrived in the 19th century from the British-Somaliland protectorate to work as seamen in port cities such as Cardiff, Liverpool and London’s Docklands; later they were joined by refugees from the civil war. In the UK, the 2011 census recorded just over 101,000 people of Somalis living in the UK.
Note that this only records individuals actually born in Somalia. "Somali" is not given a separate ethnic checkbox in most censuses, as those British citizens of Turkish or Pakistani origins have as an option. Somalis in the UK, as elsewhere in Europe, generally come under the umbrella "Black African" category, which makes it difficult to estimate the numbers of European-born Somalis. But the truer figure of Somalis in the UK is believed to be close to 250,000.
Somalis are unusually mobile across national borders in Europe, and their intra-European mobility is particularly directed towards the UK. Thousands of people from Somalia have come to the UK from other EU member states as EU nationals from, for example, the Netherlands, Denmark and Norway. Estimates suggest 20,000 Somalis have arrived from the Netherlands alone. Studies show that between one third and a half of the entire Dutch Somali community has moved to the UK. Smaller numbers have come from Nordic countries, including 4,000 from Denmark.
Elsewhere in Europe, the history of Somali immigration is a more recent phenomenon. There were only 49 Somalis in Finland in 1990; today there are over 16,000, the largest non-white minority population in the country. In 1984 just 87 Somalis were registered in Norway, today the number is close to 30,000 – but again this only records first generation Somalis, the true figure is likely to be much higher.
The majority of young Somalis came to Europe as children or were born there, though Somalis do continue arriving on Europe’s shores, most through the infamously dangerous migrant trail from Libya to Italy.
Since 9/11, there has been a fraught conversation in Europe around issues of "shared values," citizenship and belonging around people of a Muslim background. The "war on terror" led to a binary divide in Europe between good vs bad migrant, and moderate vs radical Muslim.
And second-generation Somalis found themselves to be on the wrong sides of these binaries - in particular, second-generation Somalis.
Another experience that also sets Somalis apart from other Muslims in Europe is that they are a refugee community whose members are visibly Muslim and black, and already amongst the most vilified migrant communities in Europe.
From Norway, UK, Finland to the Netherlands a negative collective perception precedes Somalis. Somalis are framed as a troublesome group at the intersection of European fears over immigration and security, and young second-generation Somalis are coming of age in this atmosphere of fear and suspicion against them.
Somali lives in Europe are often already framed through a problematizing lens. As researchers we have encountered questions from journalists, politicians and social services such as, "What is it about Somalis?" European newspapers are peppered with negative collective stereotypes of Somalis. They are represented as "violent criminals," "oppressed veil-clad women,” "benefit cheats" and "terrorists."
It hasn’t helped that despite the relatively few incidents, jihadi extremists from the Somali community ‘win’ a high profile. The "Terror Twins", two gifted young Somali girls born in Manchester whose brother joined ISIS in Syria and whom he secretly recruited to join, were the subject of intense media coverage and speculation.
To understand the specific triggers that have driven Europeans of Somali origin to terrorism, it’s worth examining some of the key features of their biographies. Here, we present two profiles, based on interviews we carried out.
Mohamed was 8 years old when he arrived as a refugee from Mogadishu to a housing project in north London. Enrolled at a public school, he was immediately the target of bullies, teased for his poor English, and got into fights. By the time he left for high school, he had toughened up and began to take on the bullies.
Soon enough he won "respect" by joining a gang. Tutored by older Somali youth he began to sell cannabis before moving on to harder drugs such as crack and cocaine. He began carrying a knife to defend himself - gang turf wars are not uncommon. One day in the autumn of 2013 he was attacked by rival gang and repeatedly stabbed.
When he came out of hospital he took his spot again, but began to change his tone and attitude. He became tired of the constant run-ins with police, guilty for causing his mother pain, and one day he met a friend, Ahmed, a Somali boy with a similar history who told him he had found a new path through Islam. Ahmed convinced Mohamed to attend a small Islamic prayer circle ran by a neighborhood imam. That imam was not connected to the local Somali-oriented mosque but was instead a Salafi preacher known to the UK security services.
Mohamed dropped his old life. He became an informal preacher on the streets of London. He stopped the occasional beer, cannabis joints and young women. He handed out leaflets chastising British and Western foreign policy in the Muslim world. He gradually became more restless and angry critical of his fellow Brits.
Mohammed’s new identity was a form of protection against British society where he didn’t feel accepted; he chose instead to assert his Islamic identity. He began to consider how he could help his fellow Muslims abroad. He wanted to study the Quran in Egypt, but he thought it preferable to go to Somalia or Syria, where he could freely practice his newfound hardline Islamic identity. But Mohamed has never left London; he is still here, working as an Islamic teacher.
Like Mohamed, Ibrahim, who is composite character based on several different interviews, also had challenges integrating. Ibrahim was born to Somali parents in the Netherlands who decided to move their family to Leicester in England at the age of 12. He struggled to fit in. He was Dutch and Somali, a confusing mix for local kids and he had to learn English.
During his teens he did not care much about his Muslim identity, but he became friends with other young Muslims and that piqued his interest. He started to attend a prayer group and became part of an online Islamist community. Soon enough he became involved with a radical group, and was monitored by the security services.
He traveled to Kenya, and then onto Somalia with several friends. His cover was his ambition to work as a humanitarian volunteer but his mission was to join al-Shabaab, which has close links with Al-Qaeda. Suddenly he disappeared; his parents made enquiries, and he eventually turned up in neighboring Kenya.
He failed to be recruited by al-Shabaab and returned to the UK, where he was questioned by the security services and released. He has now come to regret his journey and is making efforts to get a job.
Are Somalis more prone than other immigrant Muslim groups towards radicalization? In many cases jihadi recruiters are aware of Somali youth’s fragile sense of integration and tend to target this weak spot.
As recent arrivals to Europe, their stories are different to postcolonial Muslim migrants who arrived after 1945, or to Moroccans and Turks who came as Europe's "guest workers" in the 1970s.
Another complication for Somalis is that they are black – and have faced racism within and outside the Muslim community. Most mosques tend to be run by Muslims of Indian sub-continent or Middle Eastern background, but when Somalis began to arrive in large numbers in the 1990s, they faced a double block to integration and communal life.
The story of Somali radicalization is about failures at the heart of integration. Across Europe young Somalis struggle to become Dutch, Finnish or British.
Though ideology is important to some young Somalis who get radicalized, usually this is overstated – not least by the popular media - at the at the expense of harder questions about issues of unemployment, alienation and discrimination. Somalis remain largely cut-off from the labour market in many European countries. In particular, the lack of Somali women participating in the Labour market hampers their integration.
European states have responded with a plethora of security responses. In the Netherlands, Somalis have been deported back into the middle of a civil war and in the UK, those Somali-born nationals who have been involved in radical activities or who have been suspected of belonging to terror groups have been stripped of their British passports.
I doubt Somalia will be affected by automation is not industrialized to begin with.
Climate might cause problems though if drought intensity
@VixR in the likely events that white people turn on us what will you do?
VixR
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Qabil is a symptom of poverty, which you can’t and shouldn’t eradicate, since the vast majority aren’t so much as getting their basic needs met. Eradication of qabil as a primary goal is the notion of a comfortable Somali sitting in the West.
When I hear about folks who say they want to go back and fix things themselves, it’s clear they don’t know what they’re talking about.
Unless there’s a shift in the population itself, and I’ve yet to hear of anyone trying to facilitate such a shift, there will be zero to very limited change you can bring about as individuals or even a small, unorganized group of people who claim they want to do so.
Since the government is so unreliable, it’s better for you to help build and maintain a network of private schools, since education is a well-documented mass positive, but since there’s no revenue to keep them open and operating, that is easier said then done. Even before then, there has to be some kind of basic infrastructure that encourages it to sustain itself (much of that currently is being done through remittances and aid).
The country isn’t at a level where professionals can affect anything of significance, unless you’re focusing on the bare bones, which you rarely do.
In the event somalis are cleansed or do you believe being atheist will exclude you?
VixR
Veritas
That doesn’t mean I will go to Somalia/land? The US is all I know, and I’m not planning any exodus, if that’s what you mean?In the event somalis are cleansed or do you believe being atheist will exclude you?
There have been race riots in the US before, you know.
Currently, the ideological war between the extremes of Alt-right and Antifa are boxing in the street, and both are White-led.
VixR
With that kind of a hair, you can claim an American Indian Heritage and be accepted before Senator Elizabeth Warren. I've read there are reservations where every inhabitant of the tribe is a millionaire because of the income of the Casinos on their land. Why bother with Africa?
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VixR
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Trump used to insult her for claiming NA heritage, he called her Pocahontas as a joke lol. The fact that she took a public test to put to rest that she is the tiniest bit NA (many White and Black Americans are 1/3245544 NA too) before the campaign cycle signals that Warren is running for presidency. She wanted to get it out of the way now vs. later.
I know a few natives that are annoyed and insulted by it though.
As for me, I’m not ethno-bending, Aussie, I’m just saying I’m not planning to go “back” to the motherland. I really think most of them are posturing when they say they are, I’m just skipping the posturing part and admitting honestly this is home.
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VixR
I saw her on the news and kudos to her. We've similar issue with one (blood) drop rule here too. If you are educated and accepted to be an indigenous Australian, you can cash on it by getting a good job, or being elected to high office.
Every Democrat is now saying, come 2020 Trump is charcoal barbeque and I hear John Kerry, Joe Biden, Eric Holder and Elizabeth Warren are contemplating running. Do you think this time around, Bernie Sanders will be a serious contender, or the young people supported him because of only the Clinton element?
@Basra and other Yankees too.
VixR
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I’ve heard Sanders may be running too.
If you’ll remember, there were wayyy to many Republican candidates running against Trump, but Trump was a standout with the media (even if much of it was negative), and he just insulted his way through all of his opponents.
Dems will lose if they have so many people running, because in the end, they’re dividing the vote. They should go with someone like Michael Avenatti, he’s the Dem version of Trump lol.
VixR
Thanks, never heard of Michael Avenatti, the name sounds Italian, I will check him out.
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