What Would Happen If reer Badhan Iyo reer Sool Left Puntland?

[Louis Vuitton Don]

@Knet Poverty makes you do things you wouldn’t normally do.

 

[Tukraq]

Its not about qabil but its because they are unionists, who have always supported Somaliweyn. I think its the FG duty to create a state for them. Ideally it would be as you described but the other gobols you mentioned are secessionist.

we don't live in the gobol era though but a federalist one since were a new government, if its makahir and khatumo teaming up to create golis that could make sense otherwise will continue to be a puntland region

 

[Tukraq]

@Knet Poverty makes you do things you wouldn’t normally do.

not just poverty, money talks everywhere tbh

 

[Samaalism]

Its not about qabil but its because they are unionists, who have always supported Somaliweyn. I think its the FG duty to create a state for them. Ideally it would be as you described but the other gobol you mentioned is secessionist.

They’re no unionists they’re daroodists that’s why they’re crying about togdheer sool and sanaag their main garad and their sultan signed secessionist papers. If togdheer is secessionist then so is sool and sanaag Somaliland flag flies in 95% of sool and about 80% of sanaag including both capitals of laas caanood and ceerigabo. If your insinuating a qabil owns a gobol then isaaq will own sanaag as they have the majority pop and districts.

If you’re saying that a qabil state should be cut out of sool and sanaag and it should be Partitioned that opens another can of worms now because all fed states will then be subject to be cut up as every clan will want a clan state and if it’s done for one it will have to be done for all or conflicts will start all over the country.

I don’t understand why the same sympathies aren’t extended to unionist somaliweyn clans in konfuur who are in maamul gobaleeds they didn’t agree to and don’t even have a say being labbeled as argagixiso? You got a soft heart for darood baroor.

 

[embarassing]

They’re no unionists they’re daroodists that’s why they’re crying about togdheer sool and sanaag their main garad and their sultan signed secessionist papers. If togdheer is secessionist then so is sool and sanaag Somaliland flag flies in 95% of sool and about 80% of sanaag including both capitals of laas caanood and ceerigabo. If your insinuating a qabil owns a gobol then isaaq will own sanaag as they have the majority pop and districts.

If you’re saying that a qabil state should be cut out of sool and sanaag and it should be Partitioned that opens another can of worms now because all fed states will then be subject to be cut up as every clan will want a clan state and if it’s done for one it will have to be done for all or conflicts will start all over the country.

I don’t understand why the same sympathies aren’t extended to unionist somaliweyn clans in konfuur who are in maamul gobaleeds they didn’t agree to and don’t even have a say being labbeled as argagixiso? You got a soft heart for darood baroor.

Anyone from those regions seen online, irl, even on here are Somaliweynist. Where as the other North Western regions youve mentioned are genuinely secessionist. Are you being serious with that comparison or?

Everyone in Koonfur is unionist, everyone outside of the regions of SL I mentioned are Somaliweynist. Including Galbeed, NFD. What do you mean about that last bit?

 

[Samaalism]

Anyone from those regions seen online, irl, even on here are Somaliweynist. Where as the other North Western regions youve mentioned are genuinely secessionist. Are you being serious with that comparison or?

Everyone in Koonfur is unionist, everyone outside of the regions of SL I mentioned are Somaliweynist. Including Galbeed, NFD. What do you mean about that last bit?

You keep saying regions when you really mean qabil. Let’s not talk in tongues. If we are talking regions sanaag and togdheer are majority isaaq and sool is 1 gobol so there is no talk of maamul. We are talking about qabil you are saying you politically align with dhulbahante and warsangeli so let us award them a gobol which is sanaag to make a maamul because I don’t like the other people. That’s tantamount to me saying FG should award daynille and ceelbuur to another clan I like more than yours that I politically align with.

Maamul is built in degmo and gobols. The bottom line is the maamul you want to make doesn’t have the degmo and gobol to be constitutionally made. So your saying those people are uuf secessionists I like those people let us award these people this maamul like a maamul is something you can just award.

 

[embarassing]

You keep saying regions when you really mean qabil. Let’s not talk in tongues. If we are talking regions sanaag and togdheer are majority isaaq and sool is 1 gobol so there is no talk of maamul. We are talking about qabil you are saying you politically align with dhulbahante and warsangeli so let us award them a gobol which is sanaag to make a maamul because I don’t like the other people. That’s tantamount to me saying FG should award daynille and ceelbuur to another clan I like more than yours that I politically align with.

Maamul is built in degmo and gobols. The bottom line is the maamul you want to make doesn’t have the degmo and gobol to be constitutionally made. So your saying those people are uuf secessionists I like those people let us award these people this maamul like a maamul is something you can just award.

No, not really. First of all I do not dislike any Somali because of qabil or where theyre from. I view all as my people. And I dont think anyone should be left out either or it would end in failure. @Bohol is a user from the region and has said he is open to a new state in the region.

Anyway, what are you thoughts on this Bohol?

 

[Samaalism]

No, not really. First of all I do not dislike any Somali because of qabil or where theyre from. I view all as my people. And I dont think anyone should be left out either or it would end in failure. @Bohol is a user from the region and has said he is open to a new state in the region.

Anyway, what are you thoughts on this Bohol?

So do you think @Bohol is going to accept sool sanaag which would be 50/50 then would allow buuhodle to join from togdheer but leave burco and oodweyne out. That is some nonsensical stuff. The north has 2 original gobol from 1960. If the issue is secessionism then laas caanood And ceerigabo are held by secessionist troops that passing a maamul in a parliament in Mogadishu would do nothing about so were is the theoretical maamul ganna operate other than in baadiyo?

 

[Samaalism]

The times are changing in somaliland we’ve reached a point were majority of people are open minded about somalia whereas before most people were stone wall secessionists.

 

[embarassing]

So do you think @Bohol is going to accept sool sanaag which would be 50/50 then would allow buuhodle to join from togdheer but leave burco and oodweyne out. That is some nonsensical stuff. The north has 2 original gobol from 1960. If the issue is secessionism then laas caanood And ceerigabo are held by secessionist troops that passing a maamul in a parliament in Mogadishu would do nothing about so were is the theoretical maamul ganna operate other than in baadiyo?

Tbh, after debt relief, the govt will be able to financially support the whole country. So I dont think secessionism will be a real problem in those regions in the future. Just my predictions, Allahu alem. I hope for the best for everyone anyway.

 

[embarassing]

The times are changing in somaliland we’ve reached a point were majority of people are open minded about somalia whereas before most people were stone wall secessionists.

That would change things, but we will see anyway.

 

[BenInHer]

Easy Answer nothing wallahi. These folks are a burden to Puntland and bring nothing of Value. They have shamelessly become political s sleeping with Isaaq one night and Majeerteen the second night. They bring no major taxes to Puntland no major investments. It would actually beatifit Puntland if they left. They are occupying seats Real Puntlanders like Leelkase iyo Ortable should be seating on. Let’s move on we’re not here to save Hartinimo on Majeerteen backs. Those are my two cents and ever Majeerteen feels the same way. Bye es go in Hargeysa party is over.

that stupid Speaker was impeached in Legal process no clan has power over the decision of Parliament or we have no fucking Dawlada. So are we going to bend to please folks for clan reason and over step legal Dawlada process? Wa maya!

Puntland was a shared project greed got the best of you.. it was only a matter of time before the speaker himself was replaced over some bullshit, to make way for the hoard of mjs.

From your illegal charcoal trade in dhahar, to selling off somalia to the arabs , we still gave you the benefit of the doubt. Even with badhan generating encomy for you ungrateful fcks.

Now you cry foul..

Will form a state with or without your blessing.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Excuse me?

So one MJ with Hawiye blood insults other Harti and now all MJs are greedy and ungrateful?

@BenInHer

Even MJs dont support certain political actions but we are trying to not destroy our state.
So either bear with us and help us save Punt or make another state but don't try to slander us.

The speaker will always be Warsan so what's the issue? Is it that easy to turn you against MJs?

If yes, then by all means, make another state because then you will realise that your enemies will even instigate within Warsangeli.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Some of you who were raised in the South or are mixed with non Daarood have zero respect for other Puntites and are also the ones who try to instigate within MJ!

Speak for yourselves and make that clear in your topics.

Whether people join other states or not, other Harti and Puntites are our kin so have some respect.

@Knet , so spilling blood for Puntland and owning businesses within Puntland is "zero contribution"? Hartida kale afka kala bax.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Easy Answer nothing wallahi. These folks are a burden to Puntland and bring nothing of Value. They have shamelessly become political s sleeping with Isaaq one night and Majeerteen the second night. They bring no major taxes to Puntland no major investments. It would actually beatifit Puntland if they left. They are occupying seats Real Puntlanders like Leelkase iyo Ortable should be seating on. Let’s move on we’re not here to save Hartinimo on Majeerteen backs. Those are my two cents and ever Majeerteen feels the same way. Bye es go in Hargeysa party is over.

that stupid Speaker was impeached in Legal process no clan has power over the decision of Parliament or we have no fucking Dawlada. So are we going to bend to please folks for clan reason and over step legal Dawlada process? Wa maya!

We could play tough politics with them but there is a reason we need them. We do not want Isaaq using Dhulbahante to attack us as they're vulnerable to follow orders of everyone as their essentially 'ciidaan' in history and just waiting for leader like sayid, siyad mod faction, and now Isaaq. They are essentially a risk to our security, look at our history, they launched the biggest offensive in PL history, we never had such a war like that, not even from the Italians/omar/hg foot soldiers.

We know if they go to SL they get nothing but they think by playing SL/PL card they can increase their power in both administration, we are not willing to risk our security again with a Dhulbahante that is very vulnerable. As for 'warsangeli' it's all 'hot air' nothing serious bro. They failed in their sultanate expansion to civilize Isaaq, even my clan successfully civilized Nugaal after Sayid genocide and was the backbone of resurrecting Garowe. It wouldn't be here without us today and the capital of PL. If u talk on historical garowe and osman mahmoud contribution is undeniable. If we didn't come those niggas were sitting as reer mahad/reer hersi/dhulbahante under a damn tree kkkkkkk.

Isaaq isn't civilized either Warsangeli failed to penetrate into them except 'garhajis' I heard who report to Warsangeli bah wise which is probably why sanaag is civilized. But those other niggas in hargeisa and burco are not bro, their literally ppl who had no sultanates and were subjects of the queen even their elders at the time will tell u they reported to her higness in london.

Warsangeli failed to establish a sultanates over Somaliland, it could've been a different SL today, but as u see their just emotional and clan pride like other Somalis like wild ppl are, thats why its hard inay isaaq wax isku darsan karo ma jiro sultanate history to create respect and order on nasab and isim, plus u see their diaspora the least academically achieved, their locals the highest drug usage rates in somalia, economically they are working in kitchens and cooks and maid positions around the nation hence why u see soo much poverty and gdp talk from them, way og yihin xaqiiqda. Where-as in PL waxaa naga maqan ma dhaqaale or we would talk about that alot, it's POWER sxb and our ROLE in Somalia, hence why u see it's very political orientated in PL.

 

[Libaax-Joore]

Easy Answer nothing wallahi. These folks are a burden to Puntland and bring nothing of Value. They have shamelessly become political s sleeping with Isaaq one night and Majeerteen the second night. They bring no major taxes to Puntland no major investments. It would actually beatifit Puntland if they left. They are occupying seats Real Puntlanders like Leelkase iyo Ortable should be seating on. Let’s move on we’re not here to save Hartinimo on Majeerteen backs. Those are my two cents and ever Majeerteen feels the same way. Bye es go in Hargeysa party is over.

that stupid Speaker was impeached in Legal process no clan has power over the decision of Parliament or we have no fucking Dawlada. So are we going to bend to please folks for clan reason and over step legal Dawlada process? Wa maya!

warsangali iyo dhulbhante waxan dhib ehen kuma qabno...

 

[DR OSMAN]

warsangali iyo dhulbhante waxan dhib ehen kuma qabno...

War niyahow dhulbahantahasi cid walbo ayaa iska wadan karo, ma waxad rabta inu isaaq amar ka qaato oo aad og tahay inu isaaq tarikh ahan uusan ahayn wax jiro oo boqor engris hos tagi jiray macal odayashooda kkkkk. Be realistic and plan for the future. Sayid used dhulbahante as soldiers, then siyad used them in MOD. Dhulbahante hogaan ayaa ka maqan niyahow, to allow them to join SL is very risky to our future security. As for Warsangeli iska daa waa boqortoyo soo jireen ah lakin boqortoyadooda waa khasaaray ma gaadhin inu si balaarto oo somaliland iyo beelahisa la hos keeno, they need to review why that was the case, haa waa jiray pressure from sayidka iyo dhinacisa oo weerar ku ahaa.

They need to accept their history also but bah dubays iyo warsangeli are tight niyahow, waa niman 'caqli badan' i give them that and they perform well in diaspora.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Jablibax kalay imow meel la yirahdo faridhidhin bah dubays ba joggo waa dhinaca caro dhulbahante oo geelkeena gaadho, we know dhulbahante dilemma, they are vulnerable due to lack of unity and leadership inside themselves, marka waa kala jabi kara mar kasto oo waxaa loo adeegsan kara meesha la doono. Lakin nimanku niman xun ma aha oo darod inu wax noqdo waa raba lakin ma raba majerten inu wax noqdo kkkkkk but not all of them. Xassan ugaas waa respectful of majerten role, anaga wax barno dee iyaguna wayna baran dhibka haysto gudahooda. It's these issa mahmoud oo nagu caasiyoobay, waa in issa mahmoud shir tarikhi ah aan la furna oo markay meeshani waxba oolin iyo meeshay joggeen si ay uu ogaadan ninka meeshan abbahisa yahay. Waxaa manta joggo ma aha soo jireenka oo xasusto garowe waxay ahayd 1920 markas carishyo bayba iska aheed, war ka hor ayaanu ka hadlaya markay duhur ahayd iyo hawd raggga ba weli soo jireen joggo dee

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Jablibax caloosha ayaa ii xanunto markad og tahay tarikhda garowe inaad kow ka ahayd iyo dadka meesha joggo 98 soo galeen oo isku xabadaynayo meeshi awoowahay xaarkisa uu soo cunay. Farole mid baan ku racsan ahay marku yiri somalia shift demographic ah ayaa ka dhacay kuwi koonfurta ka yimi 91 ayaa hada fadhiyo magalada awoowahay, soo jireenka mid mid weeye ama qurbaha ayay joggan oo naxsan. Marki casimad la samayo dhibkasi bay gabta dadyow oo tarikh ku lahayn meesha ba imanayo, adigu nasib alle bayla dhibkasi kuma gabtid lakin hadi casimad laga dhigi laha ka waran anigo 98 soo galay oo bayla xabad dhexdisa ku turayo. Capital has good points such as development but it also has bad points u need to welcome migrants and this can cause HATRED TO INCREASE. Even in islamic history they had this problem of muhajir and degaan, immigrants and locals.

 

[SirLancelLord]

It's funny how delusional you lot are, keep mentioning Sool. When you fully well know Sool is fully integrated with Somaliland.

What's PL presence in Sool except for the occasional visit in Taleex & Boocaame. Dhulbahante elders grinning angry when PL wants to make a border in Bixin which is only a couple metres in to where the actual border is. I measured from Beerta Yoocado to Bixin is like 30km. So PL presence in Sool is less than 5%.

Dhulbahante run things pretty smoothly in Sool get budgetary support from Hargeisa and the occasional development project and keep all the income they generate to develop

Sanaag is the only worry for you guys