What will somalia look like in 2045?

[Apollo]

theres a reason hitlers government lasted for only a mere seconds, horrible government

Did you know he set back transgender research by decades. A little known fact. He burned down the leading sex change institute and all their archives. :siilaanyolaugh:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institut_für_Sexualwissenschaft

 

[Tukraq]

if tribalism dies then somalia will prosper

once the baby boomers start dying which is already happening, the road to tribalism dying will be in the right direction.

I was talking about this to my mom yesterday. She said practically all lands are owned by tribes, even the capital (I was surprised by this...no wonder it failed). You’re only a custodian at best, even as a government, if the lands are ultimately owned by clans.

It will stay the way it is until there is no tribal land.

tribalism is not the problem but one of the solutions, more tribal states, under a federal representative government representing them all seems to be the way, we aren't the Han Chinese or something where were one group, country should notice this split it up into multiple stable tribal states with comparable balance of power of say the US federal government and its states, basically a checks and balances system but overall letting the to make there decisions at the local level and be the representatives at the federal level, this will also help us be able to administer more regions as we begin our western expansion and make new states and populations feel inclusive and part of the representative government

 

[VixR]

tribalism is not the problem but one of the solutions, more tribal states, under a federal representative government representing them all seems to be the way, we aren't the Han Chinese or something where were one group, country should notice this split it up into multiple stable tribal states with comparable balance of power of say the US federal government and its states, basically a checks and balances system but overall letting the to make there decisions at the local level and be the representatives at the federal level, this will also help us be able to administer more regions as we begin our western expansion and make new states and populations feel inclusive and part of the representative government

tribalism is not the problem but one of the solutions, more tribal states, under a federal representative government representing them all seems to be the way, we aren't the Han Chinese or something where were one group, country should notice this split it up into multiple stable tribal states with comparable balance of power of say the US federal government and its states, basically a checks and balances system but overall letting the to make there decisions at the local level and be the representatives at the federal level, this will also help us be able to administer more regions as we begin our western expansion and make new states and populations feel inclusive and part of the representative government

That won’t happen. Too many tribal groups of people to please. You can’t all be equal. One must prevail, and the rest get the shaft.

If the federal government is on tribal lands, you’ll never be a country. The ruling party can get kicked out when the people who own the land you’re basically squatting on get rightly tired of you, which is what happened. Also, the tribal land dynamic is what makes feuds, confederations and secessions never-ending.

If Somaliland ever gets recognition. It’s enough of a task for the south to handle itself. Too much of a mosaic and bad blood for it to work now in its current parameters. SL would have to do the same.

 

[Tukraq]

That won’t happen. Too many tribal groups of people to please. You can’t all be equal. One must prevail, and the rest get the shaft.

If the federal government is on tribal lands, you’ll never be a country. The ruling party can get kicked out when the people who own the land you’re squatting on get rightly tired of you, which is what happened. Also, the tribal land dynamic is what makes feuds, confederations and secessions never-ending.

yes you can make them equal, not a hard concept, and I don't get the too many point, dosent matter if theres 50 states you make 50 states, no one isn't going to prevail if you make a proper checks and balances system, and the states should have agreed upon borders, a senate so each state has 2 representatives for equal vote, and then a congress where population comes into play would be ideal, states should also have freedom and leeway when it comes to local governance, all public office should be voted on, if theres feuds there should be a Supreme Court to arbitrate between states, this would be a federal government not confederal, and defiantly no secession infact our manifest destiny should have us expand westward eventually not lose land

 

[VixR]

yes you can make them equal, not a hard concept, and I don't get the too many point, dosent matter if theres 50 states you make 50 states, no one isn't going to prevail if you make a proper checks and balances system, and the states should have agreed upon borders, a senate so each state has 2 representatives for equal vote, and then a congress where population comes into play would be ideal, states should also have freedom and leeway when it comes to local governance, all public office should be voted on, if theres feuds there should be a Supreme Court to arbitrate between states, this would be a federal government not confederal, and defiantly no secession infact our manifest destiny should have us expand westward eventually not lose land

Guess what? Your model is the one currently in use, and it’s among the biggest flops history has known.

 

[Tukraq]

Guess what? Your model is the one currently in use, and it’s among the biggest flops history had known.

not really as we don't even have a constitution yet, were still in the transition period, but once this type of federal system is in place you can expect stable governance for like 200 years to come like the other nations that implemented it

 

[VixR]

not really as we don't even have a constitution yet, were still in the transition period, but once this type of federal system is in place you can expect stable governance for like 200 years to come like the other nations that implemented it

not really as we don't even have a constitution yet, were still in the transition period, but once this type of federal system is in place you can expect stable governance for like 200 years to come like the other nations that implemented it

Yeah. A million year transition period. There’s no real power, bc they’re all equally weighted, and yet force doesn’t work either. They would have to give up their land.

Tribal lands and states = a pseudo country. You have one foot honed for anarchy. It’s not a real government. Especially, if its institutions are sitting on tribal land that doesn’t belong to the fed, but a mere subset of its citizens. It’s custodial. How is it sovereign and neutral? It can’t be.

 

[Tukraq]

Yeah. A million year transition period. There’s no real power bc they’re all equally weighted, and yet force doesn’t work either. They would have to give up their land.

Tribal lands and states = a pseudo country. You have one foot honed for anarchy. It’s not a real government, especially if its institutions are sitting on tribal land. How is it sovereign and neutral? It can’t be.

transition is taking long due to leaders not coming together yet to finish the constitution, also why would anyone have to give up there land? tribal states that send representatives to form a federal government isn't anarchy, and its neutral in the sense that its built from equal number of representatives from each tribal state, not really hard to understand

 

[VantaBlack]

Those sky scrapers are hideous, just saying.

 

[VixR]

transition is taking long due to leaders not coming together yet to finish the constitution, also why would anyone have to give up there land? tribal states that send representatives to form a federal government isn't anarchy, and its neutral in the sense that its built from equal number of representatives from each tribal state, not really hard to understand

It’s a VOLATILE, feudal model that thrives on a tribalistic system that is in constant flux. No stability, and always at odds. No one wins and everyone loses. And if you do win, it’s only for a moment.

It’s like this, only they’re all sweating and all the same size, and their supporters change teams lol.

 

[Tukraq]

It’s a VOLATILE, feudal model that thrives on a tribalistic system that is in constant flux. No stability, and always at odds. No one wins and everyone loses. And if you do win, it’s only for a moment.

It’s like this, only they’re all sweating and all the same size, and their supporters change teams lol.

Reread the system I stated, in that one they all win simultaneously

 

[Macalin M]

We need more states. I am pro Banadir state

 

[offensive bias]

Did you know he set back transgender research by decades. A little known fact. He burned down the leading sex change institute and all their archives. :siilaanyolaugh:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institut_für_Sexualwissenschaft

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[offensive bias]

I am positive things can only get better.
We are heading towards a balance again like the cold war.

The cold war was a golden age for the third world.
The West was constrained by the Soviet bloc and were on their best behaviour in most places to compete for hearts and minds.

As soon as a pussy ass almost treasonous Gorbachev came to office the west started showing their fangs and started sucking the lifeblood vigourously .

If we take advantage of this opportunity we would rise...

 

[Basra]

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wallahi we need a nationalistic dictator (not a corrupt qabilist) who has an IQ of 190

 

[Desert Flower]

It will be non existent with the way things are going.

 

[Jiron]

It will be a great country inshallah that has moved on from the destruction of clan politics. The people will taste peace very soon and will never allow the country to descend back to anarchy. All Somalis need is complete peace and success will come from every corner

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

yes you can make them equal, not a hard concept, and I don't get the too many point, dosent matter if theres 50 states you make 50 states, no one isn't going to prevail if you make a proper checks and balances system, and the states should have agreed upon borders, a senate so each state has 2 representatives for equal vote, and then a congress where population comes into play would be ideal, states should also have freedom and leeway when it comes to local governance, all public office should be voted on, if theres feuds there should be a Supreme Court to arbitrate between states, this would be a federal government not confederal, and defiantly no secession infact our manifest destiny should have us expand westward eventually not lose land

Somalia does not have the resources to manage itself federally. A state like Galmudug for example, has next to no resources, and a population below 1 million. Federalism in Somalia is a mirage. Places like Galmudug, HiirShabeele and Koonfur Galbeed will effectively remain under the control of Mogadishu. Federalism was introduced by Puntland into the rest of Somalia because it was the system that accomodated it best, not because it was a good model for the entire nation. It gave Puntland the autonomy it had always desired and it gave the international community an excuse not to recognize Somaliland's bid for independence. For everything south of Galkacyo federalism is a very system. Even in Jubaland, a state in which only 2 subclans make up a clear majority, it has proven to be unwieldy. Hiirshabelle has 4 or more major clans, KG has dozens and Galmudug has 5 or more. It is not at all clear that a federal Somalia can become a functioning state.

 

[Mr.Haggis]

Red light district in Xamar

 

[Younes Osman]

A federal system in somalia will never work based on the obvious limitations that has been pointed out numerous amount of times. I.e qabil, provinces, greed, fair representation..... all of a sudden it would be like a 4.5 system a hawiye can be the mayor of Mogadishu and darod can be a mayor of kismayo etc...

Red light district in Xamar

There would be a surge of HIV cases. Plus, imagine a programme that exposes the sharmuta xalimos and the johns farax .