What we should do?

[Aurelian]

After years of genetic research and raising among somalis about us not being arab through genetic sstudies and proving that E-V32 is not arab since arabs have J1 or J2. Now there are a faction of ancient arab clans that have E-12 and E-32 as their main Haplo group. And these arab clans are really authentic arab, since they and their haplo groups were their like before arab language or arab identity born.

So since they are arabs and clan lineage and strict clan line is like a religion to them, and believing that Arabs and their language existed for thousands of years, they can't comperhend that there are arab clans with different Haplogroups, in other words different origins/dad. Since arabs are believed to have the same origin.


So since Somalis have E-V32 and badly enough, their are old arabs genealogists who claim that Darood are arabs, then you will have the perfect recipe for them to claim us as arabs.

Like I can't even have basic argument with them if they claim E-V32 that originated in NA is a north African Haplogroup, since they claim the north africa --> middle east claim

 

[Aurelian]

The amount of great arab clans that are on E-V32 is unsettling. How we gonna beat them if they have 12 century geneologists records, Somalis clans claims and misunderstood genetics with them?

 

[Basra]

 

[Aurelian]

 

[Aurelian]

 

[tariq moses]

I can model Somalis as having EBA Jordanian and Ancient Egyptian-like ontop of Kenyan/Tanzanian Pastoralists, Somalis having some Arabian ancestry seems possible.

 

[Aurelian]

I can model Somalis as having EBA Jordanian and Ancient Egyptian-like ontop of Kenyan/Tanzanian Pastoralists, Somalis having some Arabian ancestry seems possible.

No, they claim that E-12 and E-V32 went to straight away to Arabia then down to Yemen and then SOmalia. I don't think breakiing our dna makeup will convince them, since there main interest is Haplogroups and its origin and routes.

 

[Aurelian]

I can model Somalis as having EBA Jordanian and Ancient Egyptian-like ontop of Kenyan/Tanzanian Pastoralists, Somalis having some Arabian ancestry seems possible.

But please feel free to share that.

 

[tariq moses]

But please feel free to share that.

 

[Aurelian]

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But what this mean?

 

[tariq moses]

But what this mean?

The numbers represent the % each population above it makes up of this averaged Somali sample. Somalis are modelled as 8% Yemeni

 

[Maxmfhjkhd]

I have T-l208 so I can pretend to be an Arab, a Jew, or a European

 

[Aurelian]

I have T-l208 so I can pretend to be an Arab, a Jew, or a European

In this conflict it is between E-V32 and J2 folk no where near is that T is considered Arab. In fact the E are saying Js are from Caucasus not arab

 

[Maxmfhjkhd]

In this conflict it is between E-V32 and J2 folk no where near is that T is considered Arab. In fact the E are saying Js are from Caucasus not Arab

Arabs have more than one breed But the origin of the Arabs goes back to the Levant desert
And yes, the original J go back to the Caucasus and the Zaguas Mountains, and after they became the first shepherds, they entered the Levant and the Arabian Peninsula.

Look at Levant in the before the Bronze Age, this was before they reached the region

 

[ZBR]

Occam's razor tells us is the most solution with the fewest assumptions, it’s less far less likely that the same E1b1b sub clade that’s native to the horn was reintroduced by Arabs and completely overtook the native haplogroup


No need to take a second leap, it’s sufficient to say that Arabs have a East African paternal Y heritage, khalas

Allah knows best

 

[ZBR]

I have T-l208 so I can pretend to be an Arab, a Jew, or a European

The basal T clades originated from Afro asiatic North Africans

 

[Som]

After years of genetic research and raising among somalis about us not being arab through genetic sstudies and proving that E-V32 is not arab since arabs have J1 or J2. Now there are a faction of ancient arab clans that have E-12 and E-32 as their main Haplo group. And these arab clans are really authentic arab, since they and their haplo groups were their like before arab language or arab identity born.

So since they are arabs and clan lineage and strict clan line is like a religion to them, and believing that Arabs and their language existed for thousands of years, they can't comperhend that there are arab clans with different Haplogroups, in other words different origins/dad. Since arabs are believed to have the same origin.


So since Somalis have E-V32 and badly enough, their are old arabs genealogists who claim that Darood are arabs, then you will have the perfect recipe for them to claim us as arabs.

Like I can't even have basic argument with them if they claim E-V32 that originated in NA is a north African Haplogroup, since they claim the north africa --> middle east claim

It's already a settled question. We ain't Arab. It's not just about haplogroups , Ethiopians have high percentage of J haplogroups but they aren't Arab either. Arabs having EV32 doesn't mean anything. Genetics shows clearly that non African admixture in Somalis and Ethiopians is mostly prehistoric and has nothing to do with modern day Arabs who didn't exist 3000-4000 years ago.
Also if they going to use this argument they'll use it to claim Berbers are Arabs and to belittle the berberist ideology, Arabs don't give a damn about somalis being Arabs . Most of them don't even know where somalia is

 

[Aurelian]

It's already a settled question. We ain't Arab. It's not just about haplogroups , Ethiopians have high percentage of J haplogroups but they aren't Arab either. Arabs having EV32 doesn't mean anything. Genetics shows clearly that non African admixture in Somalis and Ethiopians is mostly prehistoric and has nothing to do with modern day Arabs who didn't exist 3000-4000 years ago.
Also if they going to use this argument they'll use it to claim Berbers are Arabs and to belittle the berberist ideology, Arabs don't give a damn about somalis being Arabs . Most of them don't even know where somalia is

I was talking about the Arabs who are in genetic field not Arabs in general, these Arabs go like armchair genetic experts mostly about haplogroup

 

[Aurelian]

You have this wrong, first of all the Darood story says that Darood Ismail was a Qurayshi Arab, and those Arabs aren't authentic, also the ancient arabs themselves are close to Somalis, as they are close to the cushites, so they really can't claim us as Arabs
Most Arabs are descendants of Assyrians, and other random empires, even the Palestinians are not Arabs, they are Philisitians. The ancient pure Arabs will of course be close to us due to our proximity, and if anything we birthed them they have similar features to us.

Totally different topic. Plus they overcome the myth Yemen is the source of Arabs
It is not, south Semitic languages and arb have different origin

 

[Lebron James]

Shame is free my fellow somalis