Exactly like there’s literally a minority group that are mixed in the country. If we hated ourselves we would let them rule over us but we don’t because we treat them like we treat other minorities. I think people can’t comprehend this and have to delude themselves into thinking this can’t be possible instead of accepting that we simply like ourselves as we are. She knows other minority groups are oppressed and that it isn’t about ethnicity or race but she wants to push an agenda which is why I said people should stop feeling bad for 0.5s because they’re not the underdogs people think they are
What is this Bantu woman saying, and is she valid?
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I would be crying like her as well if I were in her shoes, imagine being born into such a rigid conservative culture like ours where your people basically stayed in the exact same spot in the hierarchy after decades, These minorities were literally predisposed from birth to be 2nd class citizens/
inferiors back home and they know very well it will forever stay that way, They will never truly be "Somali" in our eyes.
We should leave them to vent and grieve all they want theres nothing wrong with that, infact they have every right to. But they should really stop with their futile attempts at trying to rewrite our history and accept the minor role they played in our society, culture and history.
inferiors back home and they know very well it will forever stay that way, They will never truly be "Somali" in our eyes.
We should leave them to vent and grieve all they want theres nothing wrong with that, infact they have every right to. But they should really stop with their futile attempts at trying to rewrite our history and accept the minor role they played in our society, culture and history.
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Why stay then? I can’t make sense of why any distinct minority would willingly make a homogenous society their permanent home, you’ll feel left out and become resentful even if the state carries out its duties & gives full rights.
If they were insular and ok with not integrating w the majority, then I can understand. But since they are the type to see refusal of intermarriage as injustice, why stay? You’ll spend the rest of your life hating the people u share country with
If I was them and I was offered a chance to relocate to country of origin (with compensation ofc) I’d take it
I am pretty sure somali bantus were once offered to be re-expatriated back to places like tanzania.
Honestly I feel more sympathy for them than cadcads cause unlike the cadcads who came by their own choice either seeking refuge or to build a new life. The somali bantus were forcefully bought over as slaves against their own will.
Somalis are ridiculing their own people online about this supposed epidemic in English as if the people affected don’t all speak somali as a first language and don’t understand their English babbling. They’re mocking their own people for something that 1. Isn’t as common as they make it out to be and 2. Can easily be tackled with better representation in our own media back home. But that’s not what will give them views, clout or attention.
I don’t think these idiots realise how it makes us look to everyone else. Keeping things within the community is clearly difficult for these people. Arabs and Iranians don’t ridicule their people online for clicks. What a shame that we have so many attention seekers
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I am glad you quoted what i said here:
Despite their arrival through slavery(shameful part of our history), there really wasn't any real anti-bantu sentiments and deep mistreatment of them by Somalis. They was actually treated like another family member , the Italian traveler Luigi Roberto in 1890 describes it
This is why there were never any real slave rebellions in Somali society. Somali society wasn't a society that created marginalization in forms of serfs and nobles.
They also had many ways of achieving their freedom and once they did , they were given land, cattle and a wife.
The distinctions made between them and other Somalis was mainly an occupational one, it wasn't one of an ethnic or racial separation.
As far as 0.5 goes and the current powersharing system in FGS. It is rejected by most Somalis and it doesn't reflect Somali culture or sentiments. It discriminates against all clans and groups, it only benefits the elites in suits and their foreign handlers.
It's true there is no rigid hierarchies or class distinctions amongst Somalis,. Somalis help eachother across communities & across clans and even support bantu speaking descendant Somalis. Today many Bantu Somalis serve as local councillors, nabadoons, police officers, and in various private sector roles.
What Luigi Roberto observed in the coastal towns, others saw in the interior too , for instance in Luuq
''Slavery exists, but the slaves live familiarly in the household of the master and are well treated"
Today similar stuff is observable, whilst Somalis have maids they treat them with respect whilst people in the Middle East and Gulf mistreat them. You see this mentioned in a study about Djibouti Somalis that they don't form a slave-lord relationship with their maids.
And they are treated like regular employees, who go home after their shift is over and are paid a decent salary.
It's the same for domestic workers in Kenya, Somalia etc that work for Somalis.
So the narrative that a specific group is treated like second-class citizens in Somalia doesn’t hold up.
Much of these sentiments and claims often rely on outdated racial or feudal frameworks which is borrowed from white supremacists or elsewhere (Hamitic or occupational caste assumptions etc) and end up being weaponized against Somalis. You see this in how terms like “J-word” are used, often self-ascribed, while other Somalis are called “Jileec,” even though very few Somalis refer to themselves that way. It's meant to communicate a fictive dichotomy. Some even go as far as to claim Somalis are all “lightskin,” which shows just how disconnected and racialized this narrative has become.
There's a clear pattern of racializing the Somali identity and drawing a hard line between “Bantu” and “Somali,” when the reality is most Somalis just see their Bantu neighbors as fellow Somalis.
You don’t see other Somali groups blame the entire Somali collective for their grievances and injustices, even when they’ve suffered. They direct their frustration at specific actors or moments in history. But some Bantu activists (not all) tend to project their frustrations at Somalis as a whole, as if they’re separate from the national experience.
This leads to a kind of self-victimization and identity detachment and unfortunately, it often results in unfair hostility toward Somalis in general.
And that’s what I think underpins a lot of the intense resentment and anger I’ve seen in this thread and across this forum. It's what makes me and even others scratch our head and wonder how a someone who identifies as a Somali person can even hold such detached and cynical views about their own people. Once you understand that it stems from a mix of identity crisis and unresolved grievance, it all starts to make a lot more sense.
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You cant be serious about the last part. Did you seriously say Iranians and Arabs dont do this lmaoooo. Then why is the whole world aware of the IRGC? You know how many Iranians in the diaspora are cheering on America and Israel to overthrow their government. The problem is Europe doesnt want a wave of immigrants and are stopping it from happening. They dont care since Syria turned Europe fascist they can't take another group of m.e fleeing from war. So they are supporting the regime that slaughtered their own people who want democracy, modernity etc. Except they like Somalis in the late 80s dont realize there are a lot of people in the rural areas who have no idea how to function in a democracy and want to follow Islam. The educated elite ones want their nation to be more western.
I feel sorry for them because they are brutalized and their women are brutalized so badly its insane. Everyone knows about this and the M.E problems. I dont get what you mean that they dont include others. Where have you been? Uh Palestine protests???? The whole world knows about the problems in the M.E. East Africans usually keep things to themselves.
Yeah we’re not talking about the same things at all.
Welcome to Marxist hellhole everyone is in. I dont support Israel response to Oct 7th but you see similar concept with Palestinians. You can have two groups living together and this ideology takes root and is bound to lead to war. Especially if another group wants to use them as cannon fodders against the other group they hate. This is why some nations will suppress out of fear of this type of culture/race war. Russia is known to fund this since they funded blm. Blm was a real grievance since there is police brutality no one would deny that. But they purposely funded racial divides. Why is there hate moreso now than the 90s??
Once one group creates an entire movement as the victim, it can lead to violence and animosity. This is what happened in Rwanda. And now Congo is developing hate for Rwanda.
The only way to help end this is to have a common external enemy. Which can make the country unite against.
I always suspected some of the hatred Palestinians had also came from Ethiopians being of a higher status. Just wait snd see once the war is over and they drive out Hamas they will integrate Palestinians who will than be placed above Ethiopians and all of the intifada stuff will end. They will have no problem being in the middle. They just couldn't accept being 2nd class especially in their own land. But most people dont mind being in the middle. Notice many Arabs, Indians etc are okay in America and Canada? Why? Because Black people are the underclass. Everyone else is okay in the middle.
People confuse separate but equal (in this case equal in suffering since most people are poor in Somalia). I can see if Somalia was like Dubai but its poor, so this doesnt make sense. If wealth does poor into Somalia this will be a issue down the line make no mistake. We might get a Rwanda situation.
The lie that Bantus are the true indigenous Africans is a lie. There are many tribes in Africa that look black like Bantus. Bantus claiming indigenious is like Sweden claiming they are indigenious Europeans since they are blonde and have blue eyes and everyone else is an invaders. Thats how Hitler thought. Thats why Black Supremacy is as insidious as White supremacy. And East Africans have been victims of it just like Jews were in Europe if you count Sudan, Rwanda etc.
I might have gotten it wrong but do you mean openly talking about racism, sexism etc because Indian, Arabs and Iranians do. That was my point this is the trend everywhere. Indian dalits do this as well:
This is a Indian trans man who says he is black and proud to Obama.
Arabs talking about racism, this is all over tiktok and youtube:
Its funny you think Somalis are moreso than any group, when people think we are assholes who lack any sensitivity chip. They think we dont care. I seen Arabs saying Somalis are better and Arabs are weak etc. Or Iranians wanting to be white. At this point due to social media everyone society airs their dirty laundry by woke/marxists gen z kids. I dont get this whole only "Somalis do" type of angle. But if you think I cant understand your point its all good. I'll move on. Take care.
