What is this Bantu woman saying, and is she valid?

[livinlavish]

Is it really inhumane or just stopping something big from being born?

Forced I somewhat understand but we’re looking at the bigger picture not some constrained and present view of things.

Another Rwanda war on your indigenous land in decades to come by a group that will be supported by the Majority on the continent that look like them?

You see how Sub-Saharan Africans were joyfully worshipping and supporting Ethiopia during our plight and still do to this day, you think they would sit still if they knew that their own kin were as big as Somalis in Somalia

Niger Congo Africans and Arabs are some of the most expansionist people in the world given their history and the Somali Peninsula is treasured lands given its location and access.

You ask yourself if Somali Bantus become very very large in population what is stopping a Zambian, Congolese, Burundian and an Ugandan from coming to Somalia learning Somali and claiming Somali Bantu? The Government wouldn’t do anything that’s for sure but a situation like that is absolutely realistic and in the realm of possibility of how bad things can truly get.

I have nothing against the Somali Bantu and many are admirable but I really don’t think some of you guys fathom just how much of a problem this is and the governments nonchalant attitude.

It’s not just black and white off deporting Somali Bantus because of some illogical hatred but rather containing something that could pose a huge problem for Somalia in decades to come.

Bantus will never be the majority in Somalia for the next hundreds or thousands of years unless something disastrous happens to ethnic Somalis. And like I said before more Somalis in the south are starting to adopt farming so our population will definitely increase.

I agree with you though if the bantus were to ever become a majority or equal in terms of population ( highly unlikely) than these other sub Saharan African countries might support their kin if there was to ever be a Rwandan war 2.0

Right now the government is incompetent it can't even provide basic needs to the public so I don't think they can even pull of some form of repatriation scheme.

If Somalia was to become a powerhouse and neighbouring east African countries start to migrate to somalia, don't you think that by then we will have tighter security ( so they can't claim somali bantu) and an actual functioning government so they can't come to Somalia in large numbers. And also most bantus are Christians so why would they come to Somalia (considering they would have to change their way of living since ours don't align with theirs) when they could migrate to another Bantu Christian country.

When we get a functioning government we should implement a repatriation scheme so that the bantus that are in Somalia are given a choice to go back to their ancestral land and I'm certain there will be a lot of bantus that will happily leave.
The chances of bantus being the majority in all of somalia is the same as Somalis being the majority in all of kenya, both unlikely to happen.

 

[Zak12]

Another Rwanda war on your indigenous land in decades to come by a group that will be supported by the Majority on the continent that look like them?

You must be joking. Hutus and Tutsi had tensions for centuries which were further emboldened by westerners. The Rwanda civil war has its roots in colonialism. Nothing of the sort characterizes the relationship between Somalis and Somali Bantu. In fact, Somali Bantus are generally docile and pretty much politically irrelevant even before the civil war, no population boom will change that.

You ask yourself if Somali Bantus become very very large in population

The ethnic Somali population will be even bigger, what's your point? In 1960 when Somalia's populaion was literally only 2 million were Bantus ever a problem? No.

This fear mongering over an innocent and harmless group is getting tiring. There are groups out there that are far more of a threat to Somalis but people want to focus on fellow Muslims who share the same culture.

 

[Daisybilaawe]

You must be joking. Hutus and Tutsi had tensions for centuries which were further emboldened by westerners. The Rwanda civil war has its roots in colonialism. Nothing of the sort characterizes the relationship between Somalis and Somali Bantu. In fact, Somali Bantus are generally docile and pretty much politically irrelevant even before the civil war, no population boom will change that.


The ethnic Somali population will be even bigger, what's your point? In 1960 when Somalia's populaion was literally only 2 million were Bantus ever a problem? No.

This fear mongering over an innocent and harmless group is getting tiring. There are groups out there that are far more of a threat to Somalis but people want to focus on fellow Muslims who share the same culture.

The comparison isn’t in the nature of Rwanda but rather the depiction of Cushitic looking group vs Bantu looking group and we both know who the Rest of Africa would side with.

Again they don’t need to grow as large as Somalis but just as large enough to gobble a multitude of qabils old not the entire ethnicities.

 

[Daisybilaawe]

Bantus will never be the majority in Somalia for the next hundreds or thousands of years unless something disastrous happens to ethnic Somalis. And like I said before more Somalis in the south are starting to adopt farming so our population will definitely increase.

I agree with you though if the bantus were to ever become a majority or equal in terms of population ( highly unlikely) than these other sub Saharan African countries might support their kin if there was to ever be a Rwandan war 2.0

Right now the government is incompetent it can't even provide basic needs to the public so I don't think they can even pull of some form of repatriation scheme.

If Somalia was to become a powerhouse and neighbouring east African countries start to migrate to somalia, don't you think that by then we will have tighter security ( so they can't claim somali bantu) and an actual functioning government so they can't come to Somalia in large numbers. And also most bantus are Christians so why would they come to Somalia (considering they would have to change their way of living since ours don't align with theirs) when they could migrate to another Bantu Christian country.

When we get a functioning government we should implement a repatriation scheme so that the bantus that are in Somalia are given a choice to go back to their ancestral land and I'm certain there will be a lot of bantus that will happily leave.
The chances of bantus being the majority in all of somalia is the same as Somalis being the majority in all of kenya, both unlikely to happen.

I disagree with that, as a matter of fact Africans don’t really care whether Muslim or Christian or any or the Abraham if religions as much as you think they do.

You see the fuss they had with Non African Muslims calling Ibrahim Traore a Muslim first and they fight back and claim no he’s African and don’t attach Religious Title to him. You see, the only thing they care about is looking like them and speaking their language to which the Bantus in Somalia do and some of them have retained their Niger-Congo Languages from their previous lands.

They will 100% support their kin Muslim or not, remember Pan-Africanism is really just Pan-Bantusim as you see the insidious agendas that they hold.

Let me conclude by saying if Somalia becomes a Powerhouse in the future they should absolutely close off their borders to any “East African” nations that come.

Don’t shoot the messenger.

 

[novanova]

The comparison isn’t in the nature of Rwanda but rather the depiction of Cushitic looking group vs Bantu looking group and we both know who the Rest of Africa would side with.

Again they don’t need to grow as large as Somalis but just as large enough to gobble a multitude of qabils old not the entire ethnicities.

strong defense industry and none of this will matter

 

[Daisybilaawe]

strong defense industry and none of this will matter

Government is irrelevant in this case which makes it more threatening.

 

[novanova]

Government is irrelevant in this case which makes it more threatening.

What do you mean? I don’t understand.

 

[Daisybilaawe]

What do you mean? I don’t understand.

Strong defence industry orchestrated and monopolised by the government no? Or something else?

 

[novanova]

Strong defence industry orchestrated and monopolised by the government no? Or something else?

You said the government is irrelevant. What do you mean by that?

If you have a strong army & defense industry you can protect yourself against any country in SSA that has imperialistic ambitions.

As long as ur government gets its shit together u don’t have to worry about any african (or other) country, most are too weak to cause any trouble

 

[Daisybilaawe]

You said the government is irrelevant. What do you mean by that?

If you have a strong army & defense industry you can protect yourself against any country in SSA that has imperialistic ambitions.

As long as ur government gets its shit together u don’t have to worry about any african (or other) country, most are too weak to cause any trouble

Yes but do you really think Somalia will get its shit together, I believe in change and that something could happen but Somalia’s problems are so multifaceted that this wouldn’t even crack the top 20.

Also it isn’t all out and explicit war but rather very slow infiltration, anyone can buy anyone in Somalia.

I genuinely believe that a Congolese that can speak Somali can cosplay as a Somali Bantu as cause as much havok given the Somali Bantus are large enough.

 

[Daisybilaawe]

Also this stereotype of them being docile and miskeen needs to drop immediately or this’ll bite you in the neck when you look elsewhere

 

[Zak12]

we both know who the Rest of Africa would side with.

What do you mean "side with"? Again Somali Bantus aren't causing any trouble nor will they ever. They are also culturally Somali and have little in common with other Bantus to begin.

Kenya literally has millions of Cushitic Oromos, Somalis, Maasai and Rendilles, were all of them attacked or replaced by Bantus?

just as large enough to gobble a multitude of qabils old not the entire ethnicities

Ahahahahaha, not a single qabil even the utterely langaab ones were absorbed by Madowweyn. Its the other way around, its some Somali clans that are absorbing Bantus into their ranks. Bantus aren't like Oromos.

 

[livinlavish]

Kenya literally has millions of Cushitic Oromos, Somalis, Maasai and Rendilles, were all of them attacked or replaced by Bantus?

Go learn about the wagalla massacre and garissa massacre where thousands of innocent Somali lives were lost.These bantus will never be your allies so stop making excuses for them.

 

[Zak12]

Go learn about the wagalla massacre and garissa massacre where thousands of innocent Somali lives were lost.These bantus will never be your allies so stop making excuses for them.

That was due to conflict with Somali seperatists, not because of internalized hatred with Cushitic looking peoples. Again, there were no attacks on Oromos, Maasai, or Rendilles (who are literally Somali speakers).

 

[livinlavish]

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That was due to conflict with Somali seperatists, not because of internalized hatred with Cushitic looking peoples. Again, there were no attacks on Oromos, Maasai, or Rendilles (who are literally Somali speakers).

This is why doing research is important. The shifta war ended in 1967 whilst the wagalla massacre happened nearly 20 years later, so how was it related to Somali separatists?

Secondly, this happened whilst kenya had a fully functioning government imagine if the Somalia government pre 1991 was to kill thousands of innocent bantu civilians what do you think the international outcry would be?

Like I said earlier, bantus are not your allies and they will never be one. Your probably going through a pan-africanism phase rn

 

[Zak12]

whilst the wagalla massacre happened nearly 20 years later

It was still related to violence happening in NFD. Conflicts didn't totally cease once shifta ended.

whilst kenya had a fully functioning government

I'm not defending what the government did, it was obviously a terrible event but its not linked to any idea that Bantus hate Cushites like what the other guy was suggesting when he is blatantly ignoring the many other Cushitic looking groups that weren't touched.

Your probably going through a pan-africanism phase rn

imagine trying so hard to justify hate and fear against a minority that has done nothing against Somalis. Why don't you people focus all that energy against the groups that actually have done things against Somalis?