What if Colonial Powers have never stepped into the Horn Of Africa?

[AbdiGeedi]

What our political geography would look like right now without the European colonial interfefence of the past?

Would there be Djibouti, Eritrea, Somalia, Ethiopia or even Kenya today, at least within the areas they occupy now?

 

[ReyRey]

Somalis would reach Mt kenya and beyond.

Somalis would be disunited because colonization is what brought about Somalinimo and midnimo.

 

[Ras]

We'd be a totally different folk. At least 2-3 different countries. Probably more united and clan based.

 

[Marshall D Abdi]

Raw meat and fufu ppl wouldnt exist they would be already conquered

 

[Karim]

Darood hegemony in East Africa.
Dhulbahante would have been much bigger than Isaaq. Greater Somalia would've been a reality with 1 tribe ruling the rest.

 

[pablo]

Spoiler

You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.

 

[Octavian]

the adals would have conquered more lands and kingdoms hence establishing the foundation for any somali nation that came afterwards and we would've have been stable and far more integrated witch might have made us far less qabilist

 

[Yahya]

Tanzania and Mozambique would have been expanded into and maybe they're would have captured more lands. Not sure about Ethiopia since they always get help from outsiders to save them.

Kenya would not exist. We would be wealthy but divided and would most likely have had peace and no civil war. Dervishes would be greater in number since they lost lots fighting the british and many lives would have been spared the population today would be double that of the current one.

Most importantly there would be no humiliation for Somalis at all. The wars would have rarely evolved into the dreadful ones that destroyed our public image. No piracy would occur and the noble image of Somalis would be maintained. There would be no diaspora in huge numbers and we might have even made deals to drill our oil sooner like the middle east.

 

[Regg]

None of those countries would exist without European interference.

Remember, nationalism is a recent phenomenon that was propagated by the British empire in the 19th century. Before it, everyone identified themselves with tribes or clans.

 

[Somali Napolean]

Borders would look much different and a Somali diaspora would probably not exist, at least not ot this level.

 

[The Somali Caesar]

Somalia wouldn’t of been a thing let’s be honest here as each tribe would be there own independent country. As Somalis by nature are tribalistic and would refuse to be ruled by another tribe.

 

[Saeedlfc]

Somalia wouldn’t of been a thing let’s be honest here as each tribe would be there own independent country. As Somalis by nature are tribalistic and would refuse to be ruled by another tribe.

Exactly, yet there's delusional people on here that think Darood would rule the horn

 

[Saeedlfc]

Darood hegemony in East Africa.
Dhulbahante would have been much bigger than Isaaq. Greater Somalia would've been a reality with 1 tribe ruling the rest.

What makes you think Hawiye, Raxanweyne and Dir/Isaaq would allow this, there would be civil war. Something like that would not last with Somalis being too prideful.

More realistically we'd just be different countries.

 

[Saeedlfc]

Raw meat and fufu ppl wouldnt exist they would be already conquered

Unlikely, never has happened before so doubt it. Let's be realistic guys.

 

[Saeedlfc]

We'd be a totally different folk. At least 2-3 different countries. Probably more united and clan based.

Didn't Somalia and Somaliland unite willingly? You're saying that wouldn't happen in that timeline?

 

[Removed]

Whoever said powers give arms to would basically conquer the rest. More likely they would have armed Ethiopia and the dervish movement would be against Ethiopia rather than the brits they lose that confrontation 9/10.

Somalis simply punch above their weight in comparison to other horn africans(not as much difference against Bantus they are very underrated)

 

[Ras]

Didn't Somalia and Somaliland unite willingly? You're saying that wouldn't happen in that timeline?

The colonial era started a century before we became one people.

Before that we had multiple small kingdoms and were slowly expanding.

There wouldn't be any reason for us to annex each other forget create unions.

However it's a moot thought experiment anyways due to our cursed location near what would've inevitably become the Suez canal.

 

[Aurelian]

What about the effects of European ideas like nationalism, communism/ socialism and other ideologies like al-ikhuan almuslimun?