What do you think about this thread?

have never heard a Muslim say we should not make advancements in the material world. I have heard people say, "Don't think that makes you better". -- which is a fact. There is an important grounding caution tale about don't become like the "builders" who attach their superiority to their ability to build, because time and time again in the Quran, such people are humiliated. However, this has never meant, and rarely is interpreted as, building itself being an inherent problem. Pushing advancements in technology is accepted by nearly every Muslim. In fact, I would say the West is disillusioned by these days because they see how that alone cannot bring the best life.
The main idea that is being critiqued is exactly this. We copy their methods and technology and even the post colonial critique they came up with. our states our compeleltey subjected to them with no real industrial base of their own. But we wag our fingers and say. "were morally superior to you and you guys will eventually be humiliated as well "

Then theres the fact you have all of these Muslims thinkers who seem to be deacades behind on integrating any of the modern modern thinkers or developing any real theories of the state. What you instead find is people talk about "governing with sharia" as if that's even a coherent concept
 
The main idea that is being critiqued is exactly this. We copy their methods and technology and even the post colonial critique they came up with. our states our compeleltey subjected to them with no real industrial base of their own. But we wag our fingers and say. "were morally superior to you and you guys will eventually be humiliated as well "

Then theres the fact you have all of these Muslims thinkers who seem to be deacades behind on integrating any of the modern modern thinkers or developing any real theories of the state. What you instead find is people talk about "governing with sharia" as if that's even a coherent concept
No. The main idea pushed by this cartoonist display is what I posted. You added other things my friend that you frame yourself, imbued by your thoughts and values.
 
Basically if your talk about how the muslim world should develop or industrialize and somebody brings up

1) theology
2) aqeedah
3) decolonization

You should baiscally run. If you guys onky knew the history of the modern middle east and how many times political islamism has been tried and how its basically failed every single time or has never been able to successfully takeover the state. You'd be utterly blackpilled.
 
Basically if your talk about how the muslim world should develop or industrialize and somebody brings up

1) theology
2) aqeedah
3) decolonization

You should baiscally run. If you guys onky knew the history of the modern middle east and how many times political islamism has been tried and how its basically failed every single time or has never been able to successfully takeover the state. You'd be utterly blackpilled.
Islamism actually worked in Somalia
 
Islamism actually worked in Somalia
How ? It failed terribly. It got the attention of the world's number 1 superpower and was utterly crushed. They weren't even smart enough to realize that considering what happened to Afghanistan and Iraq they'd be next and should have tried to use any avenues to escape or negotiate .
 
No. The main idea pushed by this cartoonist display is what I posted. You added other things my friend that you frame yourself, imbued by your thoughts and values.
People give lip service to the idea that Muslim world should be developed. But in actuatality any of the real hard steps required will be met with immediate pushback. The dudes post was obviously somewhat of a bait post. Yet it was still a reflection on how massive the industrial capacity of the u.s was to build something so advanced 60 years ago and what was the response to this tweet ? For people in the comments to chimp out and talk about how decadent the west was
 
People give lip service to the idea that Muslim world should be developed. But in actuatality any of the real hard steps required will be met with immediate pushback





Here's a perfect example.


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How ? It failed terribly. It got the attention of the world's number 1 superpower and was utterly crushed. They weren't even smart enough to realize that considering what happened to Afghanistan and Iraq they'd be next and should have tried to use any avenues to escape or negotiate .
So essentially a Theology isn't quite compatible and doomed to fail and Islam in our context should solely be used as a Moral Guide and Worldview but Governance should solely be Pragmatic while taking Islam's Perception of Leadership in question but not an Established Theology.

Did I get that right? Is that what we should do?
 
So essentially a Theology isn't quite compatible and doomed to fail and Islam in our context should solely be used as a Moral Guide and Worldview but Governance should solely be Pragmatic while taking Islam's Perception of Leadership in question but not an Established Theology.

Did I get that right? Is that what we should do?
When has govt ever been an established theology? What does if your an ashari or a maturidi have anything to do with how modern governance is done

You should realize there's a fundamental difference between the personal moral and spiritual life of an individual and politics. Theres a reason one of the most famous maxims in islam is ulema should maintain distance from the rulers.

You as well as most of the people in this forum and for sure the avg muslim are probably under the assumption that everything in the past was done under some sharia court with a sharia judge ? But in actuality there was another court called the mazalim and it was known as the sultans court and was for other purposes . These mazalim courts existed even in the Mamluk period

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The Ottomans since their beginning used a type of law called qanun that was seperate from the sharia

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The simplistic notions of the role ulema played in society in the past and how sharia was understood is proably one of the biggest problems we have today.

Even using the term sharia is problematic since thats a refrence to the divine law and isnt something humans enage in. Fiqh is the thing humans do and its the understanding and interpretation of this divine law by scholars.
 
How ? It failed terribly. It got the attention of the world's number 1 superpower and was utterly crushed. They weren't even smart enough to realize that considering what happened to Afghanistan and Iraq they'd be next and should have tried to use any avenues to escape or negotiate .
Hindsight is 50/50, and they only ruled for 6 months
 

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life doesnt mean anything anyway in the grand scheme of things.
That is the most selfish opinion I have ever heard in a long while. Tell the people of Palestine that their suffering doesn’t matter in the grand scheme because life is temporary.

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Just because there is an afterlife doesn’t mean you should negate this life. Infact this life is more important as it decides where you will go. Once you are in heaven or hell the journey has ended.
 

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I have heard people say, "Don't think that makes you better". -- which is a fact.

It does in fact make you better. This is where I take my main issue it’s the weak man’s snobbiness instead of understanding the value power has you push it to the side so you can win a subjective battle which is moral superiority.
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying: A strong believer is better and is more lovable to Allah than a weak believer, and there is good in everyone, (but) cherish that which gives you benefit (in the Hereafter) and seek help from Allah and do not lose heart, and if anything (in the form of trouble) comes to you, don't say: If I had not done that, it would not have happened so and so, but say: Allah did that what He had ordained to do and your" if" opens the (gate) for the Satan.


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A strong Muslim world is superior to a weak one. A rich Muslim is superior to a poor one. A strong Muslim is superior to a feeble one. An intelligent Muslim is superior to a stupid one. A wise Muslim is superior to an ignorant one.

Humility is a great virtue but in excessiveness it makes you unambitious and meek.

You say the ulema are forward thinking but all I see is people still arguing over hundred year old topics.

Do the ulema talk about the ethics of stem cell technology, gain of function research, gene editing in humans or any other precedent issues. Or do they wait for the white man to pioneer all of those and make decisions when it’s already been applied.
 

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How ? It failed terribly. It got the attention of the world's number 1 superpower and was utterly crushed. They weren't even smart enough to realize that considering what happened to Afghanistan and Iraq they'd be next and should have tried to use any avenues to escape or negotiate .
Their idea of progress for the Muslim world is not a net of nation states which fulfill each other industrial, technological and agricultural niches so that they can be an independent whole. But a dozens of terrorist militias running around a dissolved state causing havoc just to be bombed into irrelevance when Uncle Sam gets annoyed by them and infinite refugee camps.

You see it when Jolani took over Syria they instantly wanted him to suicide attack Isreal. Even Isreal try to provoke him into attack but he never took the bait. I pray that these types of people are not in Jolanis circle.
 

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That is the most selfish opinion I have ever heard in a long while. Tell the people of Palestine that their suffering doesn’t matter in the grand scheme because life is temporary.

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Just because there is an afterlife doesn’t mean you should negate this life. Infact this life is more important as it decides where you will go. Once you are in heaven or hell the journey has ended.
I meant in the context of technological advancement because a rocket is not going to build your janno. Whats going to build your janno is being patient and consisteny in cibaada and the palestinians know for all the military might of israel their heinous activities only take away from their aakhiro

They should still struggle for victory though as Allaah commanded us
 

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I meant in the context of technological advancement because a rocket is not going to build your janno. Whats going to build your janno is being patient and consisteny in cibaada and the palestinians know for all the military might of israel their heinous activities only take away from their aakhiro

They should still struggle for victory though as Allaah commanded us
No one is denying the importance of building your akirah all we saying this world is also important which includes worldly things.
 
People give lip service to the idea that Muslim world should be developed. But in actuatality any of the real hard steps required will be met with immediate pushback. The dudes post was obviously somewhat of a bait post. Yet it was still a reflection on how massive the industrial capacity of the u.s was to build something so advanced 60 years ago and what was the response to this tweet ? For people in the comments to chimp out and talk about how decadent the west was
Again, I stated how this is just nonsensical in the broader scheme of the world. What holds Muslims back are structural, geopolitical problems, and an enduring Western imperialist post-colonial ideological festering in the Muslim world. We're entrenched in Western imperialist imposition constantly. We are embroiled in conflict, the influence of larger Western players, constantly ever since imperialism and colonialism, which, mind you, forced a system on them where it was taboo to imagine greatness outside the Western secular paradigm.

This nonsense that Muslims have an allergy to learning and building technology is nonsense for the very reason you ignored in the very post you responded to. With a response mind you, that says Muslim people's arrested material development, derived from the foolish comments highlighted, as sort of an underlying large example of what holds us back. Yet, realistically, those comments never reflect how things are on the ground, all the way to structural maintenance or institutional philosophy and the support of it. The sheikh's son is an engineer. This oxymoronic framing is not real in the everyday Muslim way of life at all, nor in any organizational or philosophical institutional way.

You might find a misguided or a foolish guy on a Twitter comment section, but that is not what drives Muslims to the ground. Again, people who frame our problems in these silly yet so destructive, uneducated ways are often full of agendas themselves because they know for a fact that never drives our knowledge associations on the ground. Otherwise, why frame us like that in the first place when that's not how people associate with knowledge attainment and drive for material improvement? Learning and improvement are what the overwhelming majority want and have tried, but when you live in a tough environment that has been bombed over and over again, you can't build a damn rocket. Let's have a balanced, mature position that grounds this in reality, sxb.

I have written about this; the West is terrified of an enlightened, advanced, collective Islamic region that has its fresh independent directionality. That is why they try to have their boots on the region's neck all the time. This is not exaggeration but an actual historical understanding. That is why Muslims banding together to shape something better for themselves have always been distorted as a problem. That was the hallmark of deliberate Western propaganda. Muslim potentiality and rise is narrowed down to extremism, backwardness that is a danger to the world and its "freedoms," overall a barbaric threat. This has been an ideological policy directive of the West. It makes the youth who are enamored by the Western world think the Westerners hold a monopoly on all the best material and philosophical collective development potential, and since they're secular and say religion holds us back, oh, well, maybe the secular route is the only way. The relationship with Islam is how Christianity was displayed, as backward promotion within the recent Western historical framing that held the cadaans back from true "progress."

Now people are lying, trying to problematize Islamic practice, or "wrong Islamic practice," with backwardness and reason for slow technological and structural advancement. Total nonsense. Learning and education are typically the central attainment for kids in Muslim households.

The irony is, the core of the problem of how Muslims think of themselves and what holds them back, as briefly introduced, goes back to Western imperialism and its enduring and consistent enforcement, even since post-colonialism. When Muslims think about education and sort of how to envisage a country, its demographic engagements, cultivated structural environments -- it's all modelled after the Western nation-state, and entirely limited to that. To give a few important examples, Somaliland, Somalia, and Djibouti were all continuations of the British, French, and Italian nation models, and that continued... This is the true framing, not this weird forced dichotomy that somehow reifies Western thinking about Muslims, which ironically is in the same propaganda lineage of Western crafting.

You've internalized a wrong and negative self-perception, imbued us with bad qualities we don't have in general to reinforce how they erroneously are central to us not advancing, the typical internal imperial scapegoat... When Muslims had post-colonial but secular nationalistic (something forced on them by Western imperialism) ambition, weren't they suppressed, faced a coup d'état; didn't the West invest in subversive terrorist groups to weaken anything they could not control, or did not serve them, and when things seemed to be a bit too scalable in the Muslim world that was literally pretty secular. Did they not then try very hard to break its legs, and use their reality as a chessboard to constantly have them undermined into impairments, decline, fragmentation, facing artificial obstacles and inhibitions. Where a country like Egypt had to find relative stability by becoming a US puppet? When democracy favored the lower-class Muslim majority, didn't the West support the dictatorial secular military man to undercut the Muslim hold on power through their own value system that they so treasure?

If you want to read a better framing of what I am talking about, here is a text written by a Somali sister on the history of this. https://ummatics.org/criminalizing-the-caliphate/

What she addresses and frames so eloquently and intelligently, I have thought about for years in parts and in general essence and later comprehensively, so it was nice encountering someone who agreed. It also addressed your Sharia comment. I had my "this spoke to me" moment when I read it.

Just to make things clear, the central grounding general practice and philosophy of Muslims with regard to anyone (not just the West) is pragmatic and holds root from Islam itself:

Take the good, leave the bad.

To describe it more overtly in this context, learn from the West. Don't be the West. That is the balanced position of the true Islamic disposition that the ulema push. When you observe with educated competence and insight around, do you see a negation of the West, or a gross marker of Western domination in the current state of affairs, that left us with stagnation and problems? What concept is Somalia's nation model imagined after, again? Is it organic or inorganic: almost entirely Western, isn't it? Does it sound like people are measured in their pragmatism of taking the good and leaving the bad or utter Western mimicry, fully compromised through wicked paternalism, baked into the establishments of those states that led to failure? Let's not play these games, my friend. Our agency has been deliberately undermined in memory, imagination, and in the physical world. To then state why we don't build rockets is because of anti-intellectualism and moralistic arrogance is ridiculous. And it plays into these cadaan's propaganda playbook. Anyone who holds that view is a tool.

The general attitude and practice of Muslims that drive our life and discourse is not self-righteous dogmatism. When most Muslims say, "Hey, remember what's most important," i.e., crucial; otherwise, people are drawn in by the ideology of the West, not taking the good, leaving the bad. Why? Because for centuries, we've been told they are superior. They literally created idea-sets centered on why they were materially superior, and that their craftsmanship meant an indication of higher human qualities. Not only that, that their system of values, attitudes, thinking, ways of living was not only the way to attain such material superiority, but any "progress" and that the rocket is a sign of deeper qualities that test the superiority of BEING, living. I can give an example, Jordan Peterson said, the merit of Islam should have shown itself in how countries inhabited by the majority Muslim demographic produce material wealth. That is why to him, a non-Christian who is a closeted Western imperialist, thinks that Christianity is better than Islam. This ignorant, arrogant thinking is very central to how general Westerners think about the Muslim world, all places, for that matter. Their rockets mean they are better. Next thing you know, the science and technology that are merely tools are a representation of how religion is kind of obsolete and should be relegated to cultural aesthetics and secular ritual.

So am I going to point at the Muslims that now say (although the ones you guys here point out are the irrelevant misguided ones who have no effect in real life), "Hey, those gadgets are cool, get your education, build it, but don't get enamored by its illusion. Building a rocket at the end of the day is not the pinnacle of human value." And I literally wrote that down in a way shorter way, yet somehow that had to be respun into another false notion, imagining the Muslims in ways they're not living.
 
.... continuing.

My position is, go for it, but be wise. The average Muslim's thought is not religious asceticism is best and that technology is evil itself. It has always been, "Do your best to the best of your abilities, don't lose yourself, and don't think people who are militarily superior, have better roads, have better buildings, technology are better than you in values." The reason why people have to assert a moral position is that people, more often than not, assume a Western role when they try to take their successes. Every secular Muslim I have met had this bizarre thinking that, if you want the rockets, you need the Western mind and its values (they don't talk about the blueprint for the rocket), and the rockets mean superiority. They fully subscribe to that human "progress" is linear and that the West is the pinnacle of that, and so religious character is a sign of archaic systems, also in a very linear way. So there is always a need for people to get reminded, otherwise we'll lose ourselves and become them.

I just wrote a post that went into how the Palestinians are dehumanized partly because of how Western they are not relative to the Western signaling Israelis, who reflect to the Western imperialists (they are like us, represent us in that barbaric world, anything like us is better than Muslims, no matter the crime, since the violence is always justified) -- and do you know what the core of why Jews in Israels lives are perceived as more precious than the Palestinians... because of Western capitalistic advancements... Ben Shapiro notoriously said, "Israelis like to build. Arabs like to bomb crap and live in open sewage." And that is the center of why they say, even if we stole your land, look at what we did to it. What's right is associated with material advancement, not morality. That is the pinnacle of what we've been warned about in the Quran; it is by definition anti-arrogance, still, ironically, the ones who take that to heart, they send good word to advancements, but they imbue wisdom and morality on it, are then the arrogant ones? That is backwards. On the offence of making it a bit personal, people who often talk like this are the ones who push for such arrogant ambition, where success must mean chauvinism and extreme nationalist growth. You can't be a good society. We have to be a bit mean. A bit narcissistic. A bit arrogant.

And to close it off with the ultimate punch, so to speak, Hitler and his Germany were the pinnacle of that. He was obsessed with how buildings, their grandness and design, technology made the Germans superior, had by default a better moral reality, and they were worth more. So the mistakes and evil of Germans were for the greater good, and the imperialism and racism against people who were darker were good, and he even said, the lower people should support it so the Aryan can shine and vicariously be the best that humans ever can be. This is how distorted and warped the ignorant arrogance of humans is that it maximizes things over religion.

What does the arrogant cadaan say when we reject the low IQ nonsense? They say, but look at your country. And do you know what they say if you break it down so they understand IQ is wrong and that Somalis are intelligent? It goes back to, look at your cities. In reality, it was always the material expression first, then you're low IQ. Have you not ever wondered why arrogant racists are extremely materialistic in their worldview? What did Shaitan say, he brought the tangible and said, I am made of this, Adam is made of that -- I am superior. Essentially, it is a call to imbue the material as a barometer for moral worth and standing. Have you not wondered why when Nuh (AS) went talked to his people, it was the poor that accepted his message, while they told him, "Look what sort of people follow you. Remove them and we will join you and furnish you with good things" -- they were arrogant and saw their material standing as . And I am not imbuing this religious wisdom and fact to say being poor is the choice. It's to say that striving for big grand expansions has to always come with a warning sign; otherwise, we're doomed. Do you understand, my brother? And that is the overwhelmingly muslim position, hey, let's improve, but let's remember what's important. Not these Twitter examples. And our state reflects complex matters that I mentioned have nothing to do with how things were put here. It was just false, and it pushes attitudes and views about Muslims that were conjured up by the enemy.

This is typically the sign of people with lower moral values that lack wisdom and have big arrogance with themselves and their tall buildings are tied to their hubris. This is what we Muslims must be wary of, although there is nothing wrong with building and becoming more technologically proficient. But we have to do it with agency and within our integrated paradigm, otherwise we'll always be in the position we are.

Having written this a while back, I did not post since I was busy with other things, but see how this Kaiser guy responded to me exactly as I laid things out.
 
It does in fact make you better. This is where I take my main issue it’s the weak man’s snobbiness instead of understanding the value power has you push it to the side so you can win a subjective battle which is moral superiority.


A strong Muslim world is superior to a weak one. A rich Muslim is superior to a poor one. A strong Muslim is superior to a feeble one. An intelligent Muslim is superior to a stupid one. A wise Muslim is superior to an ignorant one.

Humility is a great virtue but in excessiveness it makes you unambitious and meek.

You say the ulema are forward thinking but all I see is people still arguing over hundred year old topics.

Do the ulema talk about the ethics of stem cell technology, gain of function research, gene editing in humans or any other precedent issues. Or do they wait for the white man to pioneer all of those and make decisions when it’s already been applied.
You said a rich Muslim is superior to a poor one. You're corrupt, sxb. Don't twist Islam to push your bankrupt ideology. From my understanding, that hadeeth refers to strength in Islamic devotion and in overall character. If you think that it means that the Muslim with nuclear power is loved more than the ones without, then you're hopeless.:icon lol:

The ulema deal with all kinds of matters, and I think they definitely are delving into those things you mentioned, though it's very cutting-edge. Even the West is insufficient in the "ethics" and regulatory capacities dealing with AI, gene editing research, etc. The ulema could easily produce a coherent answer for how to deal with those issues if the matter arrives at the door. There are Islamic research centers that do these kinds of topics at the university level that use Islamic literature that the Ulema produced. I did a quick Google and found a couple of discourses. You're an arrogant ignoramus if you think Muslim learning centers are not tackling bioethics, technology, and regulation.

But let's talk about the core issue here, buddy.

It's so fascinating seeing a guy with an enduring inferiority complex and envy for other people's achievements walking the tightrope by trying to spin his mental anguish into an assertive position by pushing this morally and intellectually bereft notion that people with things are qualitatively superior to people that don't have them.

If we de-scale your thinking, Elon Musk is superior to a poor person, singing the tune in your perceived superior who were fascists. That they're superior because of what they built.

Your thinking that your people are inferior to Cadaans makes you pathetic. Nothing more. We don't need to dance around this attempt you're making. That is the exact conclusion to draw from the premise you're making. One can easily de-mask the subtext of your worldview.
 

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What does the arrogant cadaan say when we reject the low IQ nonsense? They say, but look at your country. And do you know what they say if you break it down so they understand IQ is wrong and that Somalis are intelligent? It goes back to, look at your cities. In reality, it was always the material expression first, then you're low IQ. Have you not ever wondered why arrogant racists are extremely materialistic in their worldview? What did Shaitan say, he brought the tangible and said, I am made of this, Adam is made of that -- I am superior. Essentially, it is a call to imbue the material as a barometer for moral worth and standing.
Absolute 3rd worldist brainrot. The outside world doesn’t care about your inner worth the only one who do are those that are charitable or god.

There is reason people all over the world try to learn English and not Peruvian because people recognise the worth that the anglosphere has created the technological and cultural dominance they hold and enamoured with it.

Materialism matters because we are in a material world.

Have you not wondered why when Nuh (AS) went talked to his people, it was the poor that accepted his message, while they told him, "Look what sort of people follow you. Remove them and we will join you and furnish you with good things" -- they were arrogant and saw their material standing as .
It’s telling when your example is the Quran which is full of stories with divine intervention. You live in a fantasy land.


You said a rich Muslim is superior to a poor one. You're corrupt, sxb. Don't twist Islam to push your bankrupt ideology. From my understanding, that hadeeth refers to strength in Islamic devotion and in overall character. If you think that it means that the Muslim with nuclear power is loved more than the ones without, then you're hopeless.:icon lol:
Yea they are. A rich Muslim can contribute so much more than a poor one could.

Again you always bring back to personal things like “strength in devotion”. Your strength in devotion isn’t going to build you a nuke is it? Actions will and with that you need industry and economics not muh “strength in devotion”.


The ulema deal with all kinds of matters, and I think they definitely are delving into those things you mentioned, though it's very cutting-edge. Even the West is insufficient in the "ethics" and regulatory capacities dealing with AI, gene editing research, etc. The ulema could easily produce a coherent answer for how to deal with those issues if the matter arrives at the door. There are Islamic research centers that do these kinds of topics at the university level that use Islamic literature that the Ulema produced. I did a quick Google and found a couple of discourses. You're an arrogant ignoramus if you think Muslim learning centers are not tackling bioethics, technology, and regulation.
It seems to the average person 99% of Islamic discussion is just rehashing the same debates.
But let's talk about the core issue here, buddy.

It's so fascinating seeing a guy with an enduring inferiority complex and envy for other people's achievements walking the tightrope by trying to spin his mental anguish into an assertive position by pushing this morally and intellectually bereft notion that people with things are qualitatively superior to people that don't have them.

If we de-scale your thinking, Elon Musk is superior to a poor person, singing the tune in your perceived superior who were fascists. That they're superior because of what they built.

Your thinking that your people are inferior to Cadaans makes you pathetic. Nothing more. We don't need to dance around this attempt you're making. That is the exact conclusion to draw from the premise you're making. One can easily de-mask the subtext of your worldview.
The Muslim world is Economically, Technologically and Militarily inferior to the west. Their culture is loved all over the globe. Everyone flocks to their nations and the only Muslim nation that gets any sort of immigration is the gulf states.

Recognising that is the first step. In all the things that are objectively material they are superior.

Idk how you cope but it’s the truth.
 

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