Considering the nation's recent tumultuous history, Federalism with strong member States, and a weak Federal gov't, for now, as in option D, is the only option. Reflecting on phases US Federalism had gone through would benefit the discourse.
What are your political stances for the future of Somalia?
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I reflected on this on another thread.
US federalism:
a) Dual federalism in 1900s, with little collaboration,
b) Cooperative federalism post 2nd war, with greater cooperation,
c) Creative federalism in the 70s, with nation building in its core, and
d) Empire in its current form, with supreme economic and military might.
We are not even in stage (a), and must not be rushing the journey. Returning to Centralism, albeit attractive to the nostalgists amongst us, should not even be entertained.
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How many decades to get from A-D?
NordicSomali
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Somalia has a future?
If it took the US a century from the 1900s, then let us say, half of that, give or take.
There is no merit in multiparty democracy it's inefficient and breeds sectarianism. It is for those nations that debate whether there are 72 genders or two and hantiwadaag vs ganacsi, etc. We don't need that buuq.
There is a real merit in a system where one party solely devoted on "Dhowrinta dhaxalka iyo maalgelinta shacabka iyo wadanka" rules. With elections where everyone can run for office. I'd take that over sham political parties that have imported manifestos.
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A centralized state with an absolute monarchy, such as Saudi Arabia. Otherwise, it gives the same result as the reality you are experiencing now.
Damn the nonsense of federalism and the republic, this only gives the tribes more freedom to impose themselves on the rest of the tribes, and every time the president changes, the tribe that runs the state changes, and the hatred between them increases with that.
Our people are a people who can only be upright with absolute dictatorship; And you have the best example in Muhammad Abduallah hussain and Siyad Barre.
Damn the nonsense of federalism and the republic, this only gives the tribes more freedom to impose themselves on the rest of the tribes, and every time the president changes, the tribe that runs the state changes, and the hatred between them increases with that.
Our people are a people who can only be upright with absolute dictatorship; And you have the best example in Muhammad Abduallah hussain and Siyad Barre.
What is that substance you are high on called? I want to try some of that, and pretend his, and his legacy of the past 50 years was just a haze, and had not actually happened.
Who is this?
'Muhammad Abduallah hussain'
I support (E) confederate government I donβt think xasid and jahil Somalis will share a centralized government rule from 1 city like it used to be before 1991 @convincation will say tuulo hebel unuka leh and chase afweyne all over again beating his chest aado kaaare saaran karabin ma kaga tureey
For the first part, I didnβt understand what you said.
for the second; my bad, I meant Hassan*.
Oh I was asking what substance you were smoking in reference to your suggestion 'absolute dictatorship' was needed.
Sayid Mohamed was an enigma enveloped in ideals, and virtue, yet flawed, as most great leaders are, and I would not place him in the same company as Barre.
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Anything is good for my reer Abti. They are heavy weights so it doesnβt matter. They will always eat good regardless.
GaradShabeel
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How does the interest of the nation fit into that ethos?
- How do you reconcile that which is in the best interest of the 'beel' with that of the nation?
- Will there be a 'beel', if there is no nation, and vice versa?
- Which comes first?
- What happens to the interest of the nation, if each 'beel' prioritises its interest over that of the nation?
- Is there a common ground?
- If so, where is it?
Buddy Somalia already is con-federalism if you didnβt notice
Saudi Arabia is a good reference for that absolute dictatorship.
The people there live their lives to the fullest, completely away from politics. There is injustice here and there at times, but it does not cross any borders, as it does not go beyond being "arrest". What makes the people overlook it to keep the big picture intact, no one wants to become a sporadic country, right?
The Saudi government gives its people room to interfere in anything and everything except politics and religion (although they are beginning to tolerate religion a lot). These are two completely red lines for the people, and they consider them sacred. It is possible to you to being killed from the fanatical nationalists there if you make any opinion offensive to the royal family.
As a bad example of bad absolute dictatorship, you have dozens. Like the communist Chinese government, like North Korea, and like the Siyad Barre government as well. Look at the life of the individual over there in China, they are not human beings but robots. It is not reasonable for someone to tell me: You are allowed one child.
The reason for their badness is that they impose their ideas and systems instead of understanding what the people are suffering or what they want. People have limits in endurance, whether mentally or religiously. They do not tolerate extreme encroachment.
Even if any dictator imposes a new regime on any people, they will coexist with it at some point, as humans are not against change. But what they are against is extreme injustice, this is too much transgression, this is not something that any human being can bear.
What I seek is an absolute monarchy government that does not transgress the borders of others. It serves the people and follows the duties of the "guardian" in Islam, and is also respected by its people who work for their service.
Excuse me for prolonging my words.
Over here people have no ideology. Itβs straight qabiil if their qabiils politicians support
Christmas theyβll make Eid on Christmas.
Christmas theyβll make Eid on Christmas.
if the government wasn't the most corrupt government on the planet, then A but id say B, federalism only works for civilised people not hot-blooded black and brown people. So B
Fedralism. This is where each of the 6 states (and whatever new ones are made) manage their own affairs similarly but not identical to our system of today. We will maintain an upper and lower house and encompass all forms of modern day federalism. The states will enjoy some autonomy in managing the states as well as collecting a small amount of state tax. We will however have a strong FGS where most things including foreign affairs, education, the military etc will be centralized. The FGS would be much stronger than the states.
I support Federalism with more control and oversight of Military By Central Gov, Military will represent every Clan and no One General has the power to control heavy weapons and thus cutting off the threat of a Barre 2.0.
Oil and Natural Resources will make every state rich and Thus be able to Build 10 Mogadishu's size cities along the Indian Ocean.
School and Education will be The most important task the Gov should undertake, We should copy the Styles of Barre, and send thousands of Teachers to far way regions to teach.
Agriculture will also be a big Budget thus allowing capacity building in case of Future Droughts and Famines.
Fishing Industry will Factories and trade, instead of these far away Asians coming into our waters, lets sell in their markets and take a share out of their cake.
Livestock, we are already one of the largest suppliers of Goat and Camel to the middle east.
I support Federalism with more control and oversight of Military By Central Gov, Military will represent every Clan and no One General has the power to control heavy weapons and thus cutting off the threat of a Barre 2.0.
Oil and Natural Resources will make every state rich and Thus be able to Build 10 Mogadishu's size cities along the Indian Ocean.
School and Education will be The most important task the Gov should undertake, We should copy the Styles of Barre, and send thousands of Teachers to far way regions to teach.
Agriculture will also be a big Budget thus allowing capacity building in case of Future Droughts and Famines.
Fishing Industry will Factories and trade, instead of these far away Asians coming into our waters, lets sell in their markets and take a share out of their cake.
Livestock, we are already one of the largest suppliers of Goat and Camel to the middle east.
