What are your political stances for the future of Somalia?

[Yusuf Abdi Ali Rashid]

Fedralism. This is where each of the 6 states (and whatever new ones are made) manage their own affairs similarly but not identical to our system of today. We will maintain an upper and lower house and encompass all forms of modern day federalism. The states will enjoy some autonomy in managing the states as well as collecting a small amount of state tax. We will however have a strong FGS where most things including foreign affairs, education, the military etc will be centralized. The FGS would be much stronger than the states.

I support Federalism with more control and oversight of Military By Central Gov, Military will represent every Clan and no One General has the power to control heavy weapons and thus cutting off the threat of a Barre 2.0.

Oil and Natural Resources will make every state rich and Thus be able to Build 10 Mogadishu's size cities along the Indian Ocean.

School and Education will be The most important task the Gov should undertake, We should copy the Styles of Barre, and send thousands of Teachers to far way regions to teach.

Agriculture will also be a big Budget thus allowing capacity building in case of Future Droughts and Famines.

Fishing Industry will Factories and trade, instead of these far away Asians coming into our waters, lets sell in their markets and take a share out of their cake.

Livestock, we are already one of the largest suppliers of Goat and Camel to the middle east.

I disagree with everything you said. In my opinion the federal government should only exist to deal with international affairs, Security, finances, and Geopolitics. The federal government should mandate a single national curriculum, a national health service, and a national power grid. How the states choose to fund and use these resources should be exclusively up to them. Each state will get their own chance to develop, at any pace they wish to do so.

 

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

Saudi Arabia is a good reference for that absolute dictatorship.

The people there live their lives to the fullest, completely away from politics. There is injustice here and there at times, but it does not cross any borders, as it does not go beyond being "arrest". What makes the people overlook it to keep the big picture intact, no one wants to become a sporadic country, right?

The Saudi government gives its people room to interfere in anything and everything except politics and religion (although they are beginning to tolerate religion a lot). These are two completely red lines for the people, and they consider them sacred. It is possible to you to being killed from the fanatical nationalists there if you make any opinion offensive to the royal family.

As a bad example of bad absolute dictatorship, you have dozens. Like the communist Chinese government, like North Korea, and like the Siyad Barre government as well. Look at the life of the individual over there in China, they are not human beings but robots. It is not reasonable for someone to tell me: You are allowed one child.

The reason for their badness is that they impose their ideas and systems instead of understanding what the people are suffering or what they want. People have limits in endurance, whether mentally or religiously. They do not tolerate extreme encroachment.

Even if any dictator imposes a new regime on any people, they will coexist with it at some point, as humans are not against change. But what they are against is extreme injustice, this is too much transgression, this is not something that any human being can bear.

I would not classify either Saudia, or China absolute dictatorships, and I am squatting on the opposite corner to you in that I did not like what I have seen in Saudia, having spent a short time there in its hay days; on the China front, I liked what I have seen, having been frequenting mainland China for many years, with the exception of the Uyghur Muslim region, which is technically under occupation, but barring that, my experience has been close, not similar, to the US post 9/11, highly controlled, segregated, monitored, if militarised.

What I seek is an absolute monarchy government that does not transgress the borders of others. It serves the people and follows the duties of the "guardian" in Islam, and is also respected by its people who work for their service.

So you want a family, of your equals, ruling over the affairs of the nation, at whim, and as if their own family business, and doing with it as they might. That is quite unnatural, if perversion on four legs, would not you say?

Excuse me for prolonging my words.

No, you are all right, I did not find it elongated, but bewildered as to how you could fancy being a subject under the thumb of your equals, when the alternative is clearly more attractive. Not a
masochist of sort by any chance, are you?

 

[World]

I would not classify either Saudia, or China absolute dictatorships, and I am squatting on the opposite corner to you in that I did not like what I have seen in Saudia, having spent a short time there in its hay days; on the China front, I liked what I have seen, having been frequenting mainland China for many years, with the exception of the Uyghur Muslim region, which is technically under occupation, but barring that, my experience has been close, not similar, to the US post 9/11, highly controlled, segregated, monitored, if militarised.


So you want a family, of your equals, ruling over the affairs of the nation, at whim, and as if their own family business, and doing with it as they might. That is quite unnatural, if perversion on four legs, would not you say?


No, you are all right, I did not find it elongated, but bewildered as to how you could fancy being a subject under the thumb of your equals, when the alternative is clearly more attractive. Not a
masochist of sort by any chance, are you?

You have so much life experience wow

 

[Caaro]

If I could trust Somalis to be regular civilians with high enough IQ to actually work together and know what’s good for them? Centralism all the way.

But that’s complete fiction so Federalism is good enough. As long as there’s no sabotaging and there’s mutual gain between the states. If even that’s not possible then Somalis are doomed.

 

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

You have so much life experience wow

Alhamdulillah, I have been very lucky.

 

[World]

@convincation i know how you look like

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

Somalia is today at E, it is a confederation in all but name.
There is no going back to centralization, it is off the table for good.


The center, Mogadishu, has become peripheral to large parts of Somalia since 1991.
Mogadishu will never again have actual military control of Caluula. Everyone knows this.
What we have is de-facto confederalism disguised as federalism.

 

[Rationale]

Somalia is today at E, it is a confederation in all but name.
There is no going back to centralization, it is off the table for good.


The center, Mogadishu, has become peripheral to large parts of Somalia since 1991.
Mogadishu will never again have actual military control of Caluula. Everyone knows this.
What we have is de-facto confederalism disguised as federalism.

We are at F, Somaliland has its own currency, military and independent government from FGS. If in your books a conflict in Lascaanood can change that, I see no reason why conflict couldn't change the status quo of today.

You always fail to be objective. Almost amusing really.

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

We are at F, Somaliland has its own currency, military and independent government from FGS. If in your books a conflict in Lascaanood can change that, I see no reason why conflict couldn't change the status quo of today.

You always fail to be objective. Almost amusing really.

Puntland is as independnt from the FGS as Somaliland.

If the FGS brought together all of its military power and tried to enter north Galkacyo, it would be defeated by Reer Faarax Shirwac.

Hawiye ninka ilkaha ka guray waa aniga.
Hadana iidoor xiniinyaha u sodon sano enlargement pills ku waday ayaan ka siibaya.

 

[Rationale]

Puntland is as independnt from the FGS as Somaliland.

If the FGS brought together all of its military power and tried to enter north Galkacyo, it would be defeated by Reer Faarax Shirwac.

Hawiye ninka ilkaha ka guray waa aniga.
Hadana iidoor xiniinyaha u sodon sano enlargement pills ku waday ayaan ka siibaya.

Faarax Shirwac(never heard of them) must be a superpower. And hehe I never mentioned Gaalkacyo.



Btw I've been saying it for a while now, PL and SL are the same when it comes to FGS. Only difference is SL doesn't have to attend NCC meetings.

 

[Prince of HS]

Puntland is as independnt from the FGS as Somaliland.

If the FGS brought together all of its military power and tried to enter north Galkacyo, it would be defeated by Reer Faarax Shirwac.

Hawiye ninka ilkaha ka guray waa aniga.
Hadana iidoor xiniinyaha u sodon sano enlargement pills ku waday ayaan ka siibaya.

reer faarax shirwac yaa la yira sxb. At least say leelkase iyaga ool lafo sacad kamid wiligood kaga difaaci jireen

 

[Hassan Garguute Buldanana]

reer faarax shirwac yaa la yira sxb. At least say leelkase iyaga ool lafo sacad kamid wiligood kaga difaaci jireen

They took this beautiful land from sacad not that long ago.




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[johnsepei5]

option A :We centralize(very unlikely) under one government Federalism makes us very weak and easy for our cadows to pit us against eachother,federalism will never work in the long run.

Option B:We part ways and balkanize as we are unable to coexist under one nation.

those options are the most beneficial outcomes my mind can generate!

 

[Rationale]

They took this beautiful land from sacad not that long ago.




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Hehe are you saying Sacad live in North of Galkacyo? Had no idea thats like 30km North of Galkacyo.

According to Google the red dot is Godod. You learn new things everyday.

 

[convincation]

Smh, those were the views of a kid. I want a hard border now between us.

There will be no hard border between us Boowe, our people love eachother too much we can’t let eachother go. It’s till death do us apart gang

I would've gone for confederalism but you added that there would be a national government ruling the capital. So no thank you.

Weak FGS is a good option but only if we follow the German model. If no, then I'll go for F or A.

@convincation what do you mean by six states? You've left so much to interpretation. Is in all of these scenarios FGS ruling Banaadir?

The 6 current states (SL, PL, GM, HS, SWS, JL) + whatever new ones are added (SSC and Baandir). Obviously all these scenarios are hypotheticals so I purposely left room for interpretation. Let’s say Banadir has a local maamul just like any other state/gobol in all these scenarios and FGS only operates from a small capital district inside Mog similar to DC. What would you choose then?

 

[convincation]

@convincation i know how you look like

I know how you look like too mate you posted yourself on this forum

 

[Hassan Garguute Buldanana]

Hehe are you saying Sacad live in North of Galkacyo? Had no idea thats like 30km North of Galkacyo.
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According to Google the red dot is Godod. You learn new things everyday.

There are no sacad there. It's cumar. Maxamud degaan now. They renamed a village in S mudug Godod recently.

I was about to post something but I'm in Eid spirit eebow, remind me in couple of days



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[Rationale]

The 6 current states (SL, PL, GM, HS, SWS, JL) + whatever new ones are added (SSC and Baandir). Obviously all these scenarios are hypotheticals so I purposely left room for interpretation. Let’s say Banadir has a local maamul just like any other state/gobol in all these scenarios and FGS only operates from a small capital district inside Mog similar to DC. What would you choose then?

Confederation, but with close co-operation between SWS-Banaadir-HS-GM, they could be subdivisions of one unit of the confederation.

 

[Rationale]

There are no sacad there. It's cumar. Maxamud degaan now. They renamed a village in S mudug Godod recently.

I was about to post something but I'm in Eid spirit eebow, remind me in couple of days



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It is unheard for Hiraab clans to lose land. What you are saying goes against our culture boowe. That's why I dont believe you.

 

[World]

I know how you look like too mate you posted yourself on this forum

i mean i found your tiktok bro

you got braces and ur name starts with i.