Walashma Dynasty

[Adaawe]

Yes i heard that the isaaq Ahmed Guray and the other one were conflated in one figure.
There is no clear cut evidence to say Ahmed Guray was an ethnic somali but we have some evidence that points in that direction.
First of all Ahmed Guray heavily relied on somali troops, another thing is that he is claimed by somalis. Somalis usually don't claim other people to be somali, another thing is that Nur ibn Mujahid was his nephew. Italian scholar Enrico Cerulli Cerulli mentioned that Nur ibn Mujahid was claimed by the marehan clan, if this claim is true it would mean Ahmed Guray was at least part somali.
Most scholars say he was probably somali

Nur ibn Mujahid is Marehan.

In 1935, German historian Kurt Wendt wrote this interesting German-language translation of Ethiopian manuscripts dealing with Amir Nur Mujahid.

It's titled "Amharische Geschichte eines Emirs von Harar im XVI. Jahrhundert"

"Amharic story of an Emir of Harar in the XVI. century"

"Tradition testifies Emir Nur Mujahid was from Somali-Darod tribe of Marehan"

You can read the journal piece here;

https://www.jstor.org/stable/43581078


The German got the complete name of Emir Nur down saying he is;

Nur Ali Abdullahi of ad-Dhuha Suha/Marehan

Marehan have his abtirsi down as

Nur Ali Abdullahi Nur Yusuf Mataan Ciis Ahmed Mohamed Da'ud Abadir of reer Hodanbari/Mareexaan.

http://www.abtirsi.com/view.php?person= ... irsiLang=1

Notice his family surname is listed as ad-Dhuha Suha family in the German piece and in Marehan geneology he is part of reer Hodanbari

Dhuha = morning
Suha: beautiful/amazing

Hodan: wealthy/amazing (dhulkaan waa hodan)
Bari ; daybreak/early morning (nabad ku bari)

The family name is basically "waking up to a beautiful, vibrant morning" or "morning light"

There's other sources independent of this that are from the 1970s that state he is Marehan. Marehan inherited the Adal Sultanate after the Imam's death. Emir Nur's descendants, the Ina Nur guarded his tomb in Harar to this day.

 

[madaxweyne]

"Harari" was a identity created by Nur ibn Mujahid, long after the Ifat. Basically everyone in Harar where to discard their tribal identities and become a Harari.

and some say say the largest group of hararis were the argobba who along with somalis and afars became residents of harar and its where the ethio semetic language that is harari came from argobbas were a muslim ethio semetic habesha ethnic group closely related to amhara if not amhara themselves famed for their excelent bow and arrow skills and contribution to adal army

 

[Marquis]

Nur ibn Mujahid is Marehan.

In 1935, German historian Kurt Wendt wrote this interesting German-language translation of Ethiopian manuscripts dealing with Amir Nur Mujahid.

It's titled "Amharische Geschichte eines Emirs von Harar im XVI. Jahrhundert"

"Amharic story of an Emir of Harar in the XVI. century"

View attachment 115867

"Tradition testifies Emir Nur Mujahid was from Somali-Darod tribe of Marehan"

You can read the journal piece here;

https://www.jstor.org/stable/43581078


The German got the complete name of Emir Nur down saying he is;

Nur Ali Abdullahi of ad-Dhuha Suha/Marehan

Marehan have his abtirsi down as

Nur Ali Abdullahi Nur Yusuf Mataan Ciis Ahmed Mohamed Da'ud Abadir of reer Hodanbari/Mareexaan.

http://www.abtirsi.com/view.php?person= ... irsiLang=1

Notice his family surname is listed as ad-Dhuha Suha family in the German piece and in Marehan geneology he is part of reer Hodanbari

Dhuha = morning
Suha: beautiful/amazing

Hodan: wealthy/amazing (dhulkaan waa hodan)
Bari ; daybreak/early morning (nabad ku bari)

The family name is basically "waking up to a beautiful, vibrant morning" or "morning light"

There's other sources independent of this that are from the 1970s that state he is Marehan. Marehan inherited the Adal Sultanate after the Imam's death. Emir Nur's descendants, the Ina Nur guarded his tomb in Harar to this day.

Good post. The problem with Somalis is that they are too tribalistic and are willing to say historical figures such as the Imam and Nur Mujahid as non-Somali if it means they are not seen as the clan they hate. Very sad. I see many qabilist Somalis on twitter who work with Ethiopians and langaab ajnabis such as Afar in downplaying the Somali role

 

[Adaawe]

Good post. The problem with Somalis is that they are too tribalistic and are willing to say historical figures such as the Imam and Nur Mujahid as non-Somali if it means they are not seen as the clan they hate. Very sad. I see many qabilist Somalis on twitter who work with Ethiopians and langaab ajnabis such as Afar in downplaying the Somali role

The Imam is definitely Somali. No Somali would marry a shisheeye in that time and succeed him. His clan everybody claims, some arguments are logical, some fanciful. But he was definitely Somali. That I never doubted.

 

[abdallah]

Im from Tuulada Sheekh Awbarkhadle, between Hargeisa and berbera, both my parents are from there and 8+ of my Awoowes are buried there

My Mum’s subclan is known as the protectors of his grave, my Aabo’s subclan used to fight my mums subclan kkk, long story,

May Allah bless his soul.

 

[Pipit]

Nur ibn Mujahid is Marehan.

In 1935, German historian Kurt Wendt wrote this interesting German-language translation of Ethiopian manuscripts dealing with Amir Nur Mujahid.

It's titled "Amharische Geschichte eines Emirs von Harar im XVI. Jahrhundert"

"Amharic story of an Emir of Harar in the XVI. century"

View attachment 115867

"Tradition testifies Emir Nur Mujahid was from Somali-Darod tribe of Marehan"

You can read the journal piece here;

https://www.jstor.org/stable/43581078


The German got the complete name of Emir Nur down saying he is;

Nur Ali Abdullahi of ad-Dhuha Suha/Marehan

Marehan have his abtirsi down as

Nur Ali Abdullahi Nur Yusuf Mataan Ciis Ahmed Mohamed Da'ud Abadir of reer Hodanbari/Mareexaan.

http://www.abtirsi.com/view.php?person= ... irsiLang=1

Notice his family surname is listed as ad-Dhuha Suha family in the German piece and in Marehan geneology he is part of reer Hodanbari

Dhuha = morning
Suha: beautiful/amazing

Hodan: wealthy/amazing (dhulkaan waa hodan)
Bari ; daybreak/early morning (nabad ku bari)

The family name is basically "waking up to a beautiful, vibrant morning" or "morning light"

There's other sources independent of this that are from the 1970s that state he is Marehan. Marehan inherited the Adal Sultanate after the Imam's death. Emir Nur's descendants, the Ina Nur guarded his tomb in Harar to this day.

So Nur Mujahid is MX and Ahmed gurey is Karanle

 

[abdallah]

So Nur Mujahid is MX and Ahmed gurey is Karanle

https://www.somalispot.com/threads/settling-the-futuh-al-habasha-dispute.83564/

 

[Ayubi]

Nur ibn Mujahid is Marehan.

In 1935, German historian Kurt Wendt wrote this interesting German-language translation of Ethiopian manuscripts dealing with Amir Nur Mujahid.

It's titled "Amharische Geschichte eines Emirs von Harar im XVI. Jahrhundert"

"Amharic story of an Emir of Harar in the XVI. century"

View attachment 115867

"Tradition testifies Emir Nur Mujahid was from Somali-Darod tribe of Marehan"

You can read the journal piece here;

https://www.jstor.org/stable/43581078


The German got the complete name of Emir Nur down saying he is;

Nur Ali Abdullahi of ad-Dhuha Suha/Marehan

Marehan have his abtirsi down as

Nur Ali Abdullahi Nur Yusuf Mataan Ciis Ahmed Mohamed Da'ud Abadir of reer Hodanbari/Mareexaan.

http://www.abtirsi.com/view.php?person= ... irsiLang=1

Notice his family surname is listed as ad-Dhuha Suha family in the German piece and in Marehan geneology he is part of reer Hodanbari

Dhuha = morning
Suha: beautiful/amazing

Hodan: wealthy/amazing (dhulkaan waa hodan)
Bari ; daybreak/early morning (nabad ku bari)

The family name is basically "waking up to a beautiful, vibrant morning" or "morning light"

There's other sources independent of this that are from the 1970s that state he is Marehan. Marehan inherited the Adal Sultanate after the Imam's death. Emir Nur's descendants, the Ina Nur guarded his tomb in Harar to this day.

Bookmarked for future references

 

[Webb]

al-Maqrizi (1364-1442 CE) says they were Arabs of either Aqeeli/Hashimi or Makhzumi descent. He bases this on accounts from pilgrims he met during hajj

الإلمام بأخبار من بأرض الحبشة من ملوك الإسلام

<p>يروي المؤرخ المقريزي في هذا الكتاب أخبار بلاد الحبشة في وقته (القرن التاسع الهجري) اعتمادًا على ما سمعه من القادمين إلى الحج من تلك البلاد، أيام مجاورته بمكة، ذاكرًا دورهم في جهاد النصارى، وهو يوضح ذلك في تقديمه المختصر للكتاب إذ يقول:<br />فهذه جملة من أخبار الطائفة القائمة بالملة الإسلامية...

dawa.center

 

[Som]

al-Maqrizi (1364-1442 CE) says they were Arabs of either Aqeeli/Hashimi or Makhzumi descent. He bases this on accounts from pilgrims he met during hajj View attachment 115983

الإلمام بأخبار من بأرض الحبشة من ملوك الإسلام

<p>يروي المؤرخ المقريزي في هذا الكتاب أخبار بلاد الحبشة في وقته (القرن التاسع الهجري) اعتمادًا على ما سمعه من القادمين إلى الحج من تلك البلاد، أيام مجاورته بمكة، ذاكرًا دورهم في جهاد النصارى، وهو يوضح ذلك في تقديمه المختصر للكتاب إذ يقول:<br />فهذه جملة من أخبار الطائفة القائمة بالملة الإسلامية...

dawa.center

According ti many arab scholars Somalis are also Aqeeli arabs(especially daroods) , this could simply be royals claiming arab prophetic lineage for religious reasons.
Mogadishu actually had a sizable arab population and an arab dynasty and infact the benadiri Arab-Somalis are still a visible minority.
On the other hand there are no arabs or mixed arabs in northern somalia or ethiopia

 

[Land Of The Brave]

I heard the Walashma Dynasty was Ogaden of the makahiil sub clan.

 

[Webb]

According ti many arab scholars Somalis are also Aqeeli arabs(especially daroods) , this could simply be royals claiming arab prophetic lineage for religious reasons.
Mogadishu actually had a sizable arab population and an arab dynasty and infact the benadiri Arab-Somalis are still a visible minority.
On the other hand there are no arabs or mixed arabs in northern somalia or ethiopia

claiming banu hashim for 700+ years then

 

[SOMALI GENERAL]

claiming banu hashim for 700+ years then

Somalis are prolific Arab lineage forgers haha...surprised that our ancestors didn't take the next step to level up the Arabization process by adopting the Arabic language & abandon the Somali language centuries ago.

 

[Marquis]

Somalis are prolific Arab lineage forgers haha...surprised that we didn't take the next step to level up the Arabization process by adopting the Arabic language & ditching Somali language centuries ago.

We luckily weren't connected to Arabic speaking territory by land.

 

[Som]

We luckily weren't connected to Arabic speaking territory by land.

To be honest it's not that somali particularly like arabs.
European explorers in the 19th century such as Burton mentioned several times that somalis didn't like or trust arabs, somalis claim arab lineage only because they love the prophet Muhammad (saws) and not because they want to be part of the arab ethnic group.

 

[Marquis]

@SOMALI GENERAL @Som @geeljire madaxweyne @Adaawe

This book that was recently released in 2018 on the Egyptian occupation of Harar and which focuses more on the Oromo tribes, reasserts the general consensus among Historian on Horn of Africa that the Imam was most likely Somali:

 

[shum33]

Walaashma dynasty are descendents of aw barkhadle who might have been isaaq in some sources or dir others. He was born in and studied in zeila then went to iraq and came back, no wonder some isaaqs claim to be from iraq

 

[abdallah]

Walaashma dynasty are descendents of aw barkhadle who might have been isaaq in some sources or dir others. He was born in and studied in zeila then went to iraq and came back, no wonder some isaaqs claim to be from iraq
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Im from the tuulo he’s buried in, 8+ of my Awoowes are buried near his grave.

Isaaq buu ahaa

 

[embarassing]

Walaashma dynasty are descendents of aw barkhadle who might have been isaaq in some sources or dir others. He was born in and studied in zeila then went to iraq and came back, no wonder some isaaqs claim to be from iraq
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I read on here that his tomb says he had no offspring, and that the Walashma Dynasty begun before he was even alive. Where did you get the idea that he had anything to do with the Walashma?

 

[shum33]

I read on here that his tomb says he had no offspring, and that the Walashma Dynasty begun before he was even alive. Where did you get the idea that he had anything to do with the Walashma?

What do you mean Walashma dynasty begun before aw barkhadle was alive? Aw barkhadle existed in the 12th century and walashma dynasty was founded in the 13th!!
Also the founder of the ifat sultanate sultan umar trace his abtirisi to aw barkhadle

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