Did you hve bad experience in Uganda/ Kenya?
Nilotics have no business dancing or singing. This is probably why the Dinka and the Maasai just jump up and down..
I have zero interest in visiting any other African Country beyond my own.
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I suppose they could have been from any tribe because we have some short people in the Dinka-Nuer tribes.
It's unfortunate (though not unexpected) that she doesn't have a relationship with her father; a lot of the older generation men either return to South Sudan after some years in the West or they refuse to live with their families in the 'home of white' in the first place.
I've always found asking what language people speak to be a good stand in -- as it doesn't directly relate to tribe.
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No, I was in a refugee camp (Kakuma) before I arrived in Australia aged 9 so I had little to no interaction with the Kenyans. The only people we saw were the local Turkana and they're essentially South Sudanese anyway.
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Most of the SSudanese that grew up in Kenya some returned to Kenya or South Sudan.
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It's a bit weird for them to leave the West to go to Kenya because it's not our home; we did experience a large number of people returning back to South Sudan in 2011-13; the war is the only thing that put an end to such a great display of patriotism.
South Sudanese have invested millions of dollars in Kenya and Uganda.
Once you get used to life in Nairobi.I dont think you would want to stay in the west which is full of racism and bias.
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Am I the only one that had this Maasai song on repeat for like an hour? It's really good.
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I've been on this forum for a while now, mate. Thanks for the welcome though.
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I like this Kunama song, lol. The male singer is a bit better, the female one has a high pitch voice.
PS. I think Kunamas are likely the closest to the Nilote ancestors of Cushites, not the South Sudanese.
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I like this Kunama song, lol. The male singer is a better, the female one has a high pitch voice.
PS. I think Kunamas are likely the closest to the Nilote ancestors of Cushites, not the South Sudanese.
The Kunama are not Nilotes, so how do they factor into your proto-Nilotic ancestry?
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They are Nilotes as in Nilo-Saharan. They have some admixture with Cushites, but probably still majority Nilo-Saharan in origin.
True, there is quite a large South Sudanese community living in Kenya nowadays. Another thing I noted, the S.Sudanese elites living in Nairobi live like Kings.
I remember seeing a news story of this former South Sudanese army general living in Nairobi. His name is General Paul Malong. He was living in a posh estate,his compound had police security guards and all. That kind of VIP treatment by the Kenyan govt is only accorded very senior govt officials and diplomats.
@Nilotic pls if you don't mind, can you tell us more about this guy. Is he from your community?
Here he is being interviewed by a Kenyan journalist.
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The usage of the term 'Nilote' has become confused and muddled and I feel the need to clear this up.
Only the Dinka-Nuer, Shilluk-Anyuak, Maasai-Samburu, Kalenjin, Karo, Toposa, Didinga, Lotuka and the Luo tribes are Nilotic.
The Kunama, Nara, Nubians, Toubou, Maban, Fur, Masalit and Zaghawa are Saharans and they have zero connections with Nilotes; the only reason anyone would mistakenly call them Nilotic is if they actually believed that Nilo (us) and Saharans (Kunama) were part of a legitimate phylum and that we're related.
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Genetic studies show ties between the Nilote and the Saharan groups. They are related, but split some time ago, but still more related to each other than compared to Niger-Congos.
I think Cushites got more ancestral ties to the East Saharan groups within Nilo-Saharan.
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The Saharans seem to have far higher levels of E1b1b than the Nilotic tribes whereas we seem to be defined by Haplogroup A clades. Why is that?
How close are the Saharans to Nilotes in these studies and what markers do we share in common?
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Paternal lineages in Nomadic groups is a bit unreliable. Some of those with high E1b1b1 still don't have close autosomal ancestry similar to Cushites like how Chadic speakers with high R1b somehow don't have much close similarity to Iberians/Europeans when it comes to autosomes (autosomes means the whole genome), but their higher levels of E relative to A does suggest a longer contact with proto-Cushites.
The higher A and B in the real Nilotes (South Sudan Dinka variety) suggests they split a long time ago and were more isolated and not so much in contact with Cushites. This also further proves my initial hypothesis of Saharan Nilo-Saharans being more tied to Cushites vs the Dinka/Nuer variety.
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Those bullet deserving corrupt morons are living it up in Kenya and I can't wait to see the day they face their Gaddafi moment.
Paul Malong Awan is a Dinka from Aweil (Abiem section) and is maternally related to Salva Kiir - the 'President'; he essentially saved the regime when he recruited Dinka militiamen in 2014; he then decided that he rather fancied the idea of being 'President' and made moves to take power; Salva Kiir sent helicopter gunships to kill him and he fled the Nation.
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This is all very interesting and I appreciate your break-down of the details.
It would seem that Saharans acquired E1b1b lineages from Cushitic groups and that Cushites acquired L markers from the Saharans; this could mean that the Saharans were genetically closer (perhaps indistinguishable) from the proto-Nilotes prior to their admixture event with Cushitic groups.
It could mean that Saharans are essentially a derivative of a proto-Nilotic base and subsequent Cushitic genetic introgression; I don't think Saharans existed prior to this admixture event.
The Nilotics have E1b1b markers (lower frequencies) and I don't know when and how we acquired it, and the population we acquired it from.
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I like this dude, he’s a genuinely nice person. I hope he’s treated well in Somalia and has friends there
