US Senator Cruz Calls for Recognition of Somaliland

[Zak12]

and who came up with that definition? All these people identified as somali even before colonialism, so what makes you declare them non somali and you somali. You could as well say that they are the true somali and you are the one that is a differnt. There is a difference in culture, true, but you have no sole claim whatsoever on the somali label

What is funny about all this is that Hawiye are factually the oldest Somali clan mentioned historically. An Arab writer back in the 12th century talks about Hawiye living across 50 villages with Merca as their capital. 12th century! That is very old yet Hawiye somehow aren't Somali?

 

[Angelina]

I’m convinced that when people make these talking points, they stem from pure xenophobia toward Bantu individuals. Time and again, I’ve seen the same generalisations directed at Hawiye, simply because a small section lives alongside Somali Bantus, and they are not alone in this, as Dir (biimaal) do as well. Cultural differences are largely shaped by location, not clan. The gugundhabe in galbeed have differences from an hg in galgaduud, yet both are hawiye.

There are in fact more Somali Bantus saying they’re Bimaal and incorporated amongst Dirs than Hawiyes. They were bigger slave owners.

Most who are saying this are just dumb. They’re dumb Say Wallahi kids who don’t have an understanding of back home. Everyone knows Hawiye speak Af Maxaa and are mostly Nomadic camel herders.

 

[Angelina]

What is funny about all this is that Hawiye are factually the oldest Somali clan mentioned historically. An Arab writer back in the 12th century talks about Hawiye living across 50 villages with Merca as their capital. 12th century! That is very old yet Hawiye somehow aren't Somali?

When Burton met Hawiyes around Harar, he pointed out that the Hawiyes were of ancient Somali origin and that the Hawiyes of 1850s would brag about being the original Somalis.

Now we have silly say Wallahis on the internet chatting rubbish.

 

[The Oponian Guild]

It’s all Somali culture but there is regional variations just like most countries

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[Angelina]

and who came up with that definition? All these people identified as somali even before colonialism, so what makes you declare them non somali and you somali. You could as well say that they are the true somali and you are the one that is a differnt. There is a difference in culture, true, but you have no sole claim whatsoever on the somali label

Somalis are nomads. Hawiyes speak Af Maxaa and on top of that originate in the Galbeed hence why you still have Hawiye Karanle still living in Ethiopia and why none of the Hawiye sub tribe founders aren’t buried in the South hence even if we go by their dumb definition who is Somalis, Hawiyes still fit very nicely.

Hawiyes have and were seen to have the most ancient lineage and DNA test alone shows were actually a proper tribe unlike Daroods and Isaaqs who are mismatch confideration.

 

[reer_ugaas_hussein]

What is funny about all this is that Hawiye are factually the oldest Somali clan mentioned historically. An Arab writer back in the 12th century talks about Hawiye living across 50 villages with Merca as their capital. 12th century! That is very old yet Hawiye somehow aren't Somali?

To be fair I think arguments basing ethnicity solely on history or genetics aren't good, ethnicities are in the end mostly based on self identification and how you're surrounding define you. The people that are somali are the ones that identifiy as somalis and are recognized and accepted as fellow somalis by other somali groups living with them, thats the case with other ethnicites like german, japanese etc. There is a genetic component to all ethnicities but not every group/tribe within an ethnicity is necessarily directly genetically related.

 

[Angelina]

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You are a clown, just yesterday you were sucking up @Step a side and were acknowledging that you were the long lost brother of a Mursade.

At this point, be quiet. I’ve never met such a confused individual like yourself.

 

[The Oponian Guild]

Well guess what? Hawiyes aren’t Somalicized but are indeed originally Somali and your DNA as a MJ shows your closer to a Mursade Hawiye than even other Daroods.

So stop this waffling. I don’t know about Garre or Degodia but this conversation originally was about Hawiye.

Hawiye isn’t real neither is Darod, and so what if I’m a distant cousin of murursade 1000 years ago? MJ adeerkaa miyaa? lol hana sheeganin. This is like an English guy going up to a German and saying 1000 years ago we were the same

 

[The Oponian Guild]

You are a clown, just yesterday you were sucking up @Step a side and were acknowledging that you were the long lost brother of a Mursade.

At this point, be quiet. I’ve never met such a confused individual like yourself.

Why do I evoke such cope from you? Yaad uu calaacalaysa? And when did this conversation take place?

 

[Angelina]

Hawiye isn’t real neither is Darod, and so what if I’m a distant cousin of murursade 1000 years ago? MJ adeerkaa miyaa? lol hana sheeganin. This is like an English guy going up to a German and saying 1000 years ago we were the same

Hawiye is real as @Step a side made clear to you? It’s Daroods that aren’t real. Walal Step aside please re-educate this man.

My point is this, your closest relatives amongst the Somalis are Hawiye that’s the joke.

 

[Angelina]

Why do I evoke such cope from you? Yaad uu calaacalaysa? And when did this conversation take place?

It happened two weeks ago and I laughed. You knew you couldn’t argue against that Mursaddes are your closeted relatives amongst Somalis but then couldn’t cope with the fact that Hawiye is a real tribe. Side step made it clear All Hawiyes are related.

 

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

Somalis are nomads. Hawiyes speak Af Maxaa and on top of that originate in the Galbeed hence why you still have Hawiye Karanle still living in Ethiopia and why none of the Hawiye sub tribe founders aren’t buried in the South hence even if we go by their dumb definition who is Somalis, Hawiyes still fit very nicely.

Hawiyes have and were seen to have the most ancient lineage and DNA test alone shows were actually a proper tribe unlike Daroods and Isaaqs who are mismatch confideration.

Hawiye is real as side step made clear to you? It’s Daroods that aren’t real.

My point is this, your closest relatives amongst the Somalis are Hawiye that’s the joke.

Most Daarood subclans are pretty much all related within 900 years you can check the dna threads

 

[Angelina]

Daaroods are pretty much all related within 900 years you can check the dna threads

Apart from MJ supposedly

 

[The Oponian Guild]

It happened two weeks ago and I laughed. You knew you couldn’t argue that Mursaddes are your closeted relatives amongst Somalis but then couldn’t cope with the fact that Hawiye is a real tribe. Side step made it clear All Hawiyes are related.

Until he tests more Murusade no one can no know for sure what the relationship is. But he’s refused to do so.

 

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

Apart from MJ supposedly

Yeah they are on a separate branch mainly with murusades

 

[The Oponian Guild]

Most Daarood subclans are pretty much all related within 900 years you can check the dna threads

All self identifying daroods on that website aren’t related, some are on completely different branches

 

[Angelina]

Yeah they are on a separate branch mainly with murusades

That is what makes that guy hilarious. He is lowkey Anti Hawiye but the group he is closest to are Mursade, ironically a sub tribe of Hawiye.

 

[The Oponian Guild]

All self identifying daroods on that website aren’t related, some are on completely different branches

OG have inconsistencies, mx and leelkase are appearing on each others supposed branches, there’s geri koombe, the dhulo guy who isn’t related to anyone for the last 4000 years etc etc, these results are being interpreted in a specific light, I’m saying more testing is needed to prove the hypothesis

 

[The Oponian Guild]

and who came up with that definition? All these people identified as somali even before colonialism, so what makes you declare them non somali and you somali. You could as well say that they are the true somali and you are the one that is a differnt. There is a difference in culture, true, but you have no sole claim whatsoever on the somali label

No they didn’t, let’s not kid ourselves here.

 

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

All self identifying daroods on that website aren’t related, some are on completely different sides of the chart?

You have awrtable LLK MX some OGs plus dhulbahante warsangeli also jidwaaq all matching within 900 years more testing needs to be done yes but its pretty much starting to add up