Ukraine is finished

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He makes a good point
 

Khaem

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Ukraine vs Russia is like of the American led west made a war between Oromo and Somalis just to achieve western domination over the region. Ukrainians and Russians are close people's and many Ukrainians speak Russian, and both sides have family living in the other's Country.
 
Ukraine vs Russia is like of the American led west made a war between Oromo and Somalis just to achieve western domination over the region. Ukrainians and Russians are close people's and many Ukrainians speak Russian, and both sides have family living in the other's Country.
I think the relationship between Russia and Ukraine is more like Ethiopia and Eritrea. Russia always felt entitled to steal other people’s land and this war in Ukraine is just another example of Russian imperialism. They really are the Ethiopians of their region
 

Khaem

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I think the relationship between Russia and Ukraine is more like Ethiopia and Eritrea. Russia always felt entitled to steal other people’s land. They really are the Ethiopians of their region
That's not true the history doesn't align.
Ukraine/Kiev was essential to the founding of the Rus/Russia.
The slavic race is very young, Ukrainians and Russians are much closer than any two groups in the horn.

Kievan Rus , First eastern Slavic state. It was founded by the Viking Oleg, ruler of Novgorod from c. 879, who seized Smolensk and Kiev (882), which became the capital of Kievan Rus.
The first modern state in Russia was founded in 862 by King Rurik of the Rus, who was made the ruler of Novgorod. Some years later, the Rus conquered the city of Kiev and started the kingdom of the Kievan Rus.
^this is what Putin refers to as the beginning of Russian state hood and it's links to Ukraine. Walaal these eastern) slavs at least are pretty much one people divided into tribes that became nation states following the events of the 20th century.
 
I think the relationship between Russia and Ukraine is more like Ethiopia and Eritrea. Russia always felt entitled to steal other people’s land and this war in Ukraine is just another example of Russian imperialism. They really are the Ethiopians of their region
Nah they just wanted their Ethnic Russian lands back and the ethnic Russians in Ukraine also wanted to rejoin Russia. Russian Ukrainians are oppressed and discriminated against for being and speaking Russian. It's akin to how Ethiopia occupies and oppresses Somalis in Somali galbeed
 
That's not true the history doesn't align.
Ukraine/Kiev was essential to the founding of the Rus/Russia.
The slavic race is very young, Ukrainians and Russians are much closer than any two groups in the horn.



^this is what Putin refers to as the beginning of Russian state hood and it's links to Ukraine. Walaal these eastern) slavs at least are pretty much one people divided into tribes that became nation states following the events of the 20th century.
Yea I know but when I see Russia use Kievan Rus as their reasoning for why Ukraine and Russia are the same, it sounds like those Ethiopianists who use Aksum as a reason as to why Eritrea and Ethiopia are the same

It’s ironic that Ethiopia is threatening to invade us over a port while this whole Ukraine war started because Russia annexed Crimea because they wanted a warm water port
 
Yea I know but when I see Russia use Kievan Rus as their reasoning for why Ukraine and Russia are the same, it sounds like those Ethiopianists who use Aksum as a reason as to why Eritrea and Ethiopia are the same

It’s ironic that Ethiopia is threatening to invade us over a port while this whole Ukraine war started because Russia annexed Crimea because they wanted a warm water port
Nah. Russians in Ukraine want to rejoin Russia so Russia helped them. Like how Somalia tried to regain Somali galbeed in Ethiopia
 

Khaem

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Yea I know but when I see Russia use Kievan Rus as their reasoning for why Ukraine and Russia are the same, it sounds like those Ethiopianists who use Aksum as a reason as to why Eritrea and Ethiopia are the same

It’s ironic that Ethiopia is threatening to invade us over a port while this whole Ukraine war started because Russia annexed Crimea because they wanted a warm water port
But ethiopia as a state was an Amhara mediaeval creation. The only tribe in ethiopia that has a claim as direct descendants to Axum are the Tigrayans. Amhara were still pagan southern ethio semite tribes paying tribute at the time of King ezana. It's just Amhara have made up a lot about history and managed to link their state to Axum and then to Aethopia/Sudan by their name change.

Whilst the Russians and Ukrainians are both direct descendants of the same state.
 
Nah they just wanted their Ethnic Russian lands back and the ethnic Russians in Ukraine also wanted to rejoin Russia. Russian Ukrainians are oppressed and discriminated against for being and speaking Russian. It's akin to how Ethiopia occupies and oppresses Somalis in Somali galbeed
Russia and Ukraine both signed the Minsk agreement. They agreed on what their borders will be. Russia had no right to invade. Russia is an imperialist nation just like Ethiopia
Nah. Russians in Ukraine want to rejoin Russia so Russia helped them. Like how Somalia tried to regain Somali galbeed in Ethiopia
Will Russia let the Dagestanis and Chechens finally get their independence? It’s ironic and hypocritical how he wants to “free” Russian minorities in Ukraine, but will deny the Chechens and Dagestanis their freedom. Putin is a scum who has blood on his hands
 
But ethiopia as a state was an Amhara mediaeval creation. The only tribe in ethiopia that has a claim as direct descendants to Axum are the Tigrayans. Amhara were still pagan southern ethio semite tribes paying tribute at the time of King ezana. It's just Amhara have made up a lot about history and managed to link their state to Axum and then to Aethopia/Sudan by their name change.

Whilst the Russians and Ukrainians are both direct descendants of the same state.
It’s true that the North Ethiosemetic are the actual descendants of Aksum, but my overall point is that you can’t use shared history from centuries ago as a reason to invade a sovereign nation. It was the same logic TPLF used under Meles

Russia is an imperialist nation, and just like all other imperialist nations they want to expand without caring for the sovereignty of their neighboring countries. Imo it shouldn’t matter if Ukrainians and Russia have a shared origin, today they’re different people and it’s clear that Ukrainians want their own country

Ukrainian sovereignty should be respected, Russia signed the Minsk Agreements and should follow what they agreed to
 

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