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[Dualke]

Come again? All of those things existed in Somalia too for centuries. We literally used the Arabic script since the Middle Ages. That's why I said the cultures are similar. The same level of monarchy, pastoral democracy, writing and technology existed to a degree that is often uncanny when I look back at the late medieval and early modern histories of both regions and yet Somalis did undeniably take a more impressively intellectual path than 90% of Arabia. Yemen is literally the only exception. Anyway, saxiib, there's a lot of weird self-hatred oozing off you and I'm not much interested in unpacking any of it. You have a good one, yeah?

I never denied these things existed in Somalia but moreso that they were implemented very inefficiently. The Somali adoption of the Arabic script was used solemnly and really only written for laws in the multiple city states, most literate Somalis would just write in plain Arabic - there is rarely any literature/manuscripts that attest to this and I doubt you could even list one from before the twentieth century.
Somali unity is a joke. Any form of ethnic nationalism was a result of colonialism and even then I would say isn't integrated fully with the amount of qabilists on this site alone.

"I look back at the late medieval and early modern histories of both regions and yet Somalis did undeniably take a more impressively intellectual path than 90% of Arabia."

This is intellectually dishonest and you know it.

 

[reer]

This is a little idiotic, walaal. You're acting like it's impossible to be wealthy and taken care of without a monarchy when the western state you live in is proof that that isn't the case and it's not their monarchism that made these Khaleejis rich. It's that the west guards and bolsters them and found black gold under their deserts. Nothing else. I'll take my home country where I can actually become somebody of note and am not screwed if I wasn't born to the handful of powerful families close to the royals and where I don't feel constant fear of basic shit like complaining about city planning.

i take the gulf as examples. because large mass development from being illiterate nomads can only happen from 30 years under a single entity (government or party or royal family or dictator). to rapidly alleviate the destitute situation of the amisom banana republic.

Even worse? Seriously, you guys really need to live under an actual monarchy. You think Somali political tribalism is as bad as being killed by the state for just lightly criticizing your ruler in public. Subxanallah.

ill take it if it means stable employment. and education and healthcare. and most importantly a homeland. you will never be able to convince me xabashi-kenyan subjugation of somalia is better than somewhere like jordan. thats impossible.

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[Shimbiris]

I never denied these things existed in Somalia but moreso that they were implemented very inefficiently. The Somali adoption of the Arabic script was used solemnly and really only written for laws in the multiple city states, most literate Somalis would just write in plain Arabic - there is rarely any literature/manuscripts that attest to this and I doubt you could even list one from before the twentieth century.
Somali unity is a joke. Any form of ethnic nationalism was a result of colonialism and even then I would say isn't integrated fully with the amount of qabilists on this site alone.

"I look back at the late medieval and early modern histories of both regions and yet Somalis did undeniably take a more impressively intellectual path than 90% of Arabia."

This is intellectually dishonest and you know it.

Please do explain what is intellectually dishonest about it? You think we were intellectually inferior to Khaleejis who literally still act like they're in the middle ages and head stroke the equivalent of a Somali Suldaan to this day in 2021? Why? Cos inferior Somali IQ? Please, nigga. Piss off with that Richard Lynn bullshit. And there were plenty of Somali scholars and intellectuals recorded through the Middle Ages and Early Modern era. Some so respected that the Ulama in Makkah would do them the honor of kissing their hands when they entered the city like with Shaykh Jami of Harar of the Bartire. I'll grant you that Horners never really produced scientists like those of the "Islamic Golden Age" but why would you expect a region like ours with not nearly the kind of wealth that would be needed to sponsor that kind of scholarship to do so? It's like expecting early modern, pre-oil Khaleejis to be as culturally advanced as Turks. How would that be possible when they're sitting on a barren desert and Anatolians live in a fertile region at the crossroads of Asia and Europe? Let's not be silly here.

 

[Mujahid Nur Marehan]

I thing Somali sub clans will keep having clashes. However Some Somalis want confederalism wich is total indepandance and others want a strong unified Somalia.

 

[Hargeysa]

i take the gulf as examples. because large mass development from being illiterate nomads can only happen from 30 years under a single entity (government or party or royal family or dictator). to rapidly alleviate the destitute situation of the amisom banana republic.

The sudden development of the gulf was due to their newly found oil wealth, not their archaic political systems

 

[Mujahid Nur Marehan]

I can't see how confederalism will even happen. Forinstance how will Jubaland ever become confederal? And no chance.

 

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[Dualke]

Please do explain what is intellectually dishonest about it? You think we were intellectually inferior to Khaleejis who literally still act like they're in the middle ages and head stroke the equivalent of a Somali Suldaan to this day in 2021? Why? Cos inferior Somali IQ? Please, nigga. Piss off with that Richard Lynn bullshit. And there were plenty of Somali scholars and intellectuals recorded through the Middle Ages and Early Modern era. Some so respected that the Ulama in Makkah would do them the honor of kissing their hands when they entered the city like with Shaykh Jami of Harar of the Bartire. I'll grant you that Horners never really produced scientists like those of the "Islamic Golden Age" but why would you expect a region like ours with not nearly the kind of wealth that would be needed to sponsor that kind of scholarship to do so? It's like expecting early modern, pre-oil Khaleejis to be as culturally advanced as Turks. How would that be possible when they're sitting on a barren desert and Anatolians live in a fertile region at the crossroads of Asia and Europe? Let's not be silly here.

Ironic how you claim me as self hating yet your posts screams of unecessary anti-arab rhetoric. I never said that Somalis were inferior, just that there is a severe lack of any aristocratic culture prior to colonialism; bearing little to no manuscripts, books, scientific innovation etc. Hell name any Somali intellectual during the middle ages and you would have most likely heard of him via a foreign account.


Also you don't need have be the next Baghdad in order to cultivate a sucessfull civilization

 

[Mujahid Nur Marehan]

We are just too sub Sharan. We don't possess the Euro Asian qualities needed to have a great vision and exacute it

 

[Shimbiris]

Ironic how you claim me as self hating yet your posts screams of unecessary anti-arab rhetoric. I never said that Somalis were inferior, just that there is a severe lack of any aristocratic culture prior to colonialism; bearing little to no manuscripts, books, scientific innovation etc. Hell name any Somali intellectual during the middle ages and you would have most likely heard of him via a foreign account. Also you don't need have be the next Baghdad in order to cultivate a sucessfull civilization

Anti-Arabic? Disliking that my Arabian brothers are stuck in the middle ages with this monarchy nonsense is no insult against them. I see Arabs as my kin which genetically, linguistically, culturally and religiously they most certainly are. I've never spoken different on this forum either. Anyway, Somalis had a pretty functional enough "civilization" in the middle ages and early modern era. Perhaps not as wealthy or scientific patronage heavy as what you might see in Mesopotamia or Anatolia but, again, why would expect that from a much poorer region? And it's pretty blatant that a lot of literature that existed in the Horn as a whole has been lost over-time. Those same Somali scholars you mention are accounted for by ajanabis are also accounted to have written many works of literature yet where are they? Just because the texts have been lost to rot, conflict and the like doesn't mean they didn't exist. Anyway, where the same resources and opportunities were available I see no proof of being inherently that behind any other similarly endowed group like Khaleejis, for instance.

All that being said, you do ooze a lot of idiotic self-hate. For example, you'll probably call all the perfectly rational explanations I've shared as "copes" cos what? The actual answer must be that Somalis are inherently inferior based on some debunked imbecile like Lynn? Get some help, saxiib. Or go marry some cadaan girl and feel "elevated". I don't know and I don't much care.

 

[Dualke]

Anti-Arabic? Disliking that my Arabian brothers are stuck in the middle ages with this monarchy nonsense is no insult against them. I see Arabs as my kin which genetically, linguistically, culturally and religiously they most certainly are. I've never spoken different on this forum either. Anyway, Somalis had a pretty functional enough "civilization" in the middle ages and early modern era. Perhaps not as wealthy or scientific patronage heavy as what you might see in Mesopotamia or Anatolia but, again, why would expect that from a much poorer region? And it's pretty blatant that a lot of literature that existed in the Horn as a whole has been lost over-time. Those same Somali scholars you mention are accounted for by ajanabis are also accounted to have written many works of literature yet where are they? Just because the texts have been lost to rot, conflict and the like doesn't mean they didn't exist. Anyway, where the same resources and opportunities were available I see no proof of being inherently that behind any other similarly endowed group like Khaleejis, for instance.

All that being said, you do ooze a lot of idiotic self-hate. For example, you'll probably call all the perfectly rational explanations I've shared as "copes" cos what? The actual answer must be that Somalis are inherently inferior based on some debunked imbecile like Lynn? Get some help, saxiib. Or go marry some cadaan girl and feel "elevated". I don't know and I don't much care.

I don't think the creation of a monarchy is necessarily a bad or "primitive" choice, at least historically. It's not like sharia cars rolling around and killing anyone who disagrees with them was always the case. This is probably moreso a byproduct of communist influence.
Additionally you cannot claim there wasn't a lack of a literary tradition in Somalia. If the majority of literature just magically disappeared than why were elites prompted to introduce new writing scripts? Why wasn't there any backlash on the basis of historical merit? Why was there no revivalist movements of the arts during the golden years? There's so many inconsistencies in the concept of a Somali literary tradition, coupled with a lack of empirical evidence that I find it very hard to believe

 

[Shimbiris]

I don't think the creation of a monarchy is necessarily a bad or "primitive" choice, at least historically. It's not like sharia cars rolling around and killing anyone who disagrees with them was always the case. This is probably moreso a byproduct of communist influence.
Additionally you cannot claim there wasn't a lack of a literary tradition in Somalia. If the majority of literature just magically disappeared than why were elites prompted to introduce new writing scripts? Why wasn't there any backlash on the basis of historical merit? Why was there no revivalist movements of the arts during the golden years? There's so many inconsistencies in the concept of a Somali literary tradition, coupled with a lack of empirical evidence that I find it very hard to believe

So all the people noting scholars like Shaykh Jami wrote several works were just lying then? Alright then. Must be made up cos we can't find some or all of those works now. Keep in mind, by the way, that you seem to hate yourself so much that you would likely deny people like Shaykh Jami ever even existed if we didn't have accounts proving they did. But I'm not denying, like I've already said, that the whole Horn didn't seemingly have some scientific golden age and why would you expect it to? The region has never been wealthy and populated enough for that nor well-situated enough like Mesopotamia or Egypt or Anatolia. And no amount of our ancestors squeezing their wits together before modern technology was available could ever change that. And there were plenty of people pushing for Arabic to continue to be used and for more traditionalism so I dunno what you're talking about there. And I'm sorry, just not going to agree with you about heriditary absolute monarchies not basically being primitive. It's not even arguably the Islamic way based on the Rashidun Caliphate.

 

[Calaf]

Hard working, parental crackdown and less imports from Europe. Brexit may have been a blessing in disguise for us.

 

[Mujahid Nur Marehan]

Interesting so the moment humans start living in urban areas there behaviour also changes. And they become more Euro Asian like.

 

[Mujahid Nur Marehan]

Hard working, parental crackdown and less imports from Europe. Brexit may have been a blessing in disguise for us.

I'm planing to leave UK. I think Uk has a bleak future. I think Germany is a better option.

 

[Periplus]

Let's just exeot it. All 54 African countries are failures. They always blame the west. Why can't Africans create aeroplanes trained, and Nuclear power plants. At least I'm smart enough to know our treu abilities and confront them, but Africans never take responsibilities.

If what you’re saying is true then obviously the problem is the leadership.

Therefore, do you advocate getting rid of our government and replacing it with a competent one?

 

[Mujahid Nur Marehan]

If what you’re saying is true then obviously the problem is the leadership.

Therefore, do you advocate getting rid of our government and replacing it with a competent one?

No we should become a foreign terretary of Turkey like Turkish Cyprus, that's one option.

 

[Calaf]

I'm planing to leave UK. I think Uk has a bleak future. I think Germany is a better option.

UK is good for economics and whatnot, but socially, Somalia is the place to be

 

[Ahmedahmed5000]

My point is if we adopted democracy even in sensirity sooner or later, we would have been a failed state. Because the opposition would not recognise the results. Democracy doesn't even work in China. It inky works in Liberal societies.

The problem is dictatorships, saddam hussein, assad, and gaddafi are responsible for destroying the country just as afweyne was responsible for destroying somalia. Stop trying to deflect from the real reason.

 

[Dualke]

So all the people noting scholars like Shaykh Jami wrote several works were just lying then? Alright then. Must be made up cos we can't find some or all of those works now. Keep in mind, by the way, that you seem to hate yourself so much that you would likely deny people like Shaykh Jami ever even existed if we didn't have accounts proving they did. But I'm not denying, like I've already said, that the whole Horn didn't seemingly have some scientific golden age and why would you expect it to? The region has never been wealthy and populated enough for that nor well-situated enough like Mesopotamia or Egypt or Anatolia. And no amount of our ancestors squeezing their wits together before modern technology was available could ever change that. And there were plenty of people pushing for Arabic to continue to be used and for more traditionalism so I dunno what you're talking about there. And I'm sorry, just not going to agree with you about heriditary absolute monarchies not basically being primitive. It's not even arguably the Islamic way based on the Rashidun Caliphate.

I see it how it is. If there's no recorded literature in Somalia, with little to no literary impact evident by everyone switching scripts en masse, then what the f*ck do you think I'll believe? Mind you I never denied that there *was* books written by Somalis in the classical age, just not enough to constitute a literary and or intellectual culture as you described. If that makes me a self loather then I honestly don't know what to say.