TURKISH man telling SOMALI woman that he knows more about Somalia than her 🤣🤣

[mr.overeasy]

It is absurd. Peoples lived experiences, identity and their very existence do not go once they say ‘I do’. How does that apply to a ‘race mixer’. Does a Londoner stop having a better understanding of where they grew up if they marry someone from Manchester? I have to make the analogy that simple because of how slow you’re coming across?

On a personal level, I’m not a fan of mixed unions but I am able to use my logic. You’re siding with a Turk with 0 ties to Somalia from a nation that is literally trying to exploit our resources over an actual Somali whose entire lineage is Somali and has only ever been Somali.

What you marry doesn’t take precedence over what you are. It doesn’t take over what you know of your own region and culture.

The fact that you’re making this personal and are now trying to talk about what id go for whilst I’m with a Somali and would only ever be with a Somali is telling. This isn’t political for you, it’s an obsession with ownership.

Even men on this forum you don’t like IR can see what’s at play. Be political savvy and don’t let your emotions cloud you.

You are saying I made this personal but YOU made this a generalization by claiming all men in the comments complaining are misogynistic!

I would have the same opinion regardless of gender, yet you made this generalization first.

If you want or don't want a mixed relationship that is your business, but is not important to the discussion.

The simple facts of the matter are the following:

Turkish poster does a lot of research on somalia and has an informed opinion

Somali woman claps back by mentioning he is ajnabi

Posters here point out she is married to an ajnabi

If being ajnabi inherently means your opinion doesn't matter regardless of it being informed or not, then one can make the same statement about race mixing.

The statement is arbitrary because where you come from doesn't actually make your opinion inherently better or worse.

The ultimate proof of this is the tribal elitism plaguing somalia, the people in the country itsself are making stupid decisions despite being somali and completely informed on their own situation.

Being somali doesn't make your opinion good, being ajnabi doesn't make your opinion bad, the content of those opinions is the only thing that matters.

My point is simple, if race makes your opinion useless, then race mixing makes your opinion useless.

If it doesn't, then neither does the latter.

"This isn’t political for you, it’s an obsession with ownership."

This again shows you can't read properly, I never had the opinion that race mixing is bad, I had the opinion that IF you can ignore someone's opinion over race, then the same can be done about race mixing.

This is a point based in the same exact racism the woman showed, I don't care about race mixing and if my sister was approached by an excellent muslim man of another race I would help her get married.

I hate racism, and I think this entire exchange shows that people can't handle the racism when its suddenly not on their side.

 

[mr.overeasy]

They are homoerotic basically, which is why they were foaming at the mouth to demean a Somali woman in favour of one of their own; the beloved fellow man. It's also why they don't feel ashamed about inviting foreign terrorists to Somalia to take part in abusing Somali girls/women. They see us as bodies, and men as fully-formed fellow human beings.


This famous quote sums it up;

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What the actual hell is this thread.

Why does the gender matter, the whole issue of the entire thread is about whether being ajnabi or race mixing has anything to do with your opinions and their worth in relation to somalia.

I haven't read the entire thread, but I have yet to see the people say this is a woman issue.

I am quite confident most people would have the same opinion if the genders were reversed.

 

[Angelina]

You are saying I made this personal but YOU made this a generalization by claiming all men in the comments complaining are misogynistic!

I would have the same opinion regardless of gender, yet you made this generalization first.

If you want or don't want a mixed relationship that is your business, but is not important to the discussion.

The simple facts of the matter are the following:

Turkish poster does a lot of research on somalia and has an informed opinion

Somali woman claps back by mentioning he is ajnabi

Posters here point out she is married to an ajnabi

If being ajnabi inherently means your opinion doesn't matter regardless of it being informed or not, then one can make the same statement about race mixing.

The statement is arbitrary because where you come from doesn't actually make your opinion inherently better or worse.

The ultimate proof of this is the tribal elitism plaguing somalia, the people in the country itsself are making stupid decisions despite being somali and completely informed on their own situation.

Being somali doesn't make your opinion good, being ajnabi doesn't make your opinion bad, the content of those opinions is the only thing that matters.

My point is simple, if race makes your opinion useless, then race mixing makes your opinion useless.

If it doesn't, then neither does the latter.

"This isn’t political for you, it’s an obsession with ownership."

This again shows you can't read properly, I never had the opinion that race mixing is bad, I had the opinion that IF you can ignore someone's opinion over race, then the same can be done about race mixing.

This is a point based in the same exact racism the woman showed, I don't care about race mixing and if my sister was approached by an excellent muslim man of another race I would help her get married.

I hate racism, and I think this entire exchange shows that people can't handle the racism when it’s suddenly not on their side.

OMG this is an incredibly false equivalence!
Who you marry doesn’t transform your identity!! Even if I was to marry a Chinese I’ll always be more Somali and have more of an authentic Somali experience than a Turkish man that got know Somali yesterday!

Being an ajnabi means your opinion doesn’t matter as much since the person wasn’t around Somalis since Birth or have an authentic Somali experiences. Can I learn about the Nigerian political climate and then tell a Nigerian woman who has spent her entire life around her people that I know more because of what she decided to do in her personal life like marrying a non Nigerian? Every single logical person will laugh at that statement. It’s categorically a false equivalence!

He is not Somali, she is regardless of who she marries. Can you please explain using simple logic how someone marrying out changes their Somali identity and experience?

I think you struggle with the idea of someone who is married is an individual that isn’t their Ajnabi partner. What does Hodan’s husband have to do with this, when it’s Hodan the Somali vs the Turkish Ajnabi? Can we please remember that Hodan is an individual here that isn’t represented by a man she married yesterday when she’s been Somali her entire life?

I don’t know you’re comparing Apples and Oranges? You’re comparing someone’s very existence to who they married????

 

[Angelina]

The rise in anti-intellectualism has contributed to this lopsided logic we’re witnessing. Claiming that a Turk commenting on Somali politics is equivalent to a Somali woman being married to a non-Somali is a denial of:

1. The postcolonial dynamics at play in Somali-Turkish relations like, military bases, the oil deal.
2. weight of lived experience and community immersion when talking about internal national affairs. This flattening of all positions into interchangeable parts without accounting for history, identity, or power is textbook anti-intellectualism, because it rejects complexity in favor of shallow low IQ logic.

Also, Origin and identity vs. relationship status. This exposes how many people here are collapsing identity into personal association, which is a logical error. Your relationship status isn’t above your identity and lived experiences.


@mr.overeasy I need you to understand and I’ll explain it in simple laymen’s terms your identity doesn’t change once you marry. You will always remain your fathers and mother’s daughter, you will always be part of your nations peoples and as for the Turk no matter how much he leans into Somali affairs he will always be a Turk. I will explain again, peoples relationship doesn’t override who they are which is why you’re equating of this is very misguided and why I couldn’t believe you though there is any symmetry in the matter!

That concept should be simple and I am also speaking to you @reer that should be straightforward. Your marriage doesn’t have the power to change identities. Racial and cultural identity isn’t fluid.

 

[Angelina]

I also want to note: If Hodan was arguing against a Somali woman who married a Somali man, then you might or could hash out a logical point. involve a discussion about loyalty or community alignment because both parties are part of the same community and share identity, culture, and national ties.

You can argue that a woman or man that is married within shows more loyalty to the Somali cause, but you can never use that argument when it’s a Somali vs a Turk because it cannot be equated, because the outsider lacks the foundational identity and loyalty that comes from being Somali. That Turkish man has his own identity, own county, land and the list continues and in terms of loyalty and background he will always be below that of a native Somali regardless of who they the Somali marries in their personal life since a Somali will always be a Somali first, the same way a Turk will always be a Turk first and as of now, his country are trying to enrich themselves at our expense.

 

[Abdisamad]

You cry misogyny over something that has nothing to do with gender, I would say the same if a somali guy pulled this stunt.

The point I was making, is that if someone being ajnabi means they can no longer have an opinion on somalia the same applies to a racemixer.

This is because they willingly abandon their people to mix with another race.

The race mixing is halal and not immoral, but it is hypocritical to make a fuss about someone's race then not marry your own race let alone ethnic group.

And again, you bring gender into it, I have spread far more negativity towards somali men instead of somali women on this platform because I have more experience with male issues.

Literally today some male on here was complaining I was obsessed with him and that I have some issue with him specifically.

Drop the main character syndrome, your gender is irrelevant to the conversation, I simply illustrated the issue with racial remarks while race mixing.

Your anger actually helps show my point about the hypocrisy, some somalis go nuts when someone criticizes race mixing but not blatant racism, and you yourself are guilty of this in the thread.

If you want to marry a non somali go nuts, but don't turn around and act like you are a gatekeeper of somali business.

Focus on the bigger picture sxb. Her marriage to an ajnabi is a minor detail compared to some Turk trying tell people they're not reall Somalis because they dare to question his lies and proganda on twitter..

 

[reer]

What the actual hell is this thread.

Why does the gender matter, the whole issue of the entire thread is about whether being ajnabi or race mixing has anything to do with your opinions and their worth in relation to somalia.

I haven't read the entire thread, but I have yet to see the people say this is a woman issue.

I am quite confident most people would have the same opinion if the genders were reversed.

i would say the same if it was a man. @Angelina isnt seeing without her feminist lenses.

 

[Sigmundd]

We know that husbands have influence over their wives and in that sense, It doesn't make sense to empower a woman who has loyalties to her ajnabi man and her ajnabi children to look after us. If these women want to contribute economically, they can do so . But no to holding a political office.

But from what I seen she is very prideful in her Somali roots and it seems like her ajanabi husband is find with that. If she's actually helping the country and I mean benefiting in every way we honestly need to be more lenient. Don't you want other Somalisbto contribute well in our country?

 

[Angelina]

i would say the same if it was a man. @Angelina isnt seeing without her feminist lenses.

I would argue the same thing if you said that about a Somali man vs a Turk. In that situation I’d say you’re even worse and down bad and lack any political gumption.

 

[FortniteLover]

Being an ajnabi means your opinion doesn’t matter as much since the person wasn’t around Somalis since Birth or have an authentic Somali experiences.

You can’t be serious. I saw your reply where you called me stupid and went off on a rant about things I never even said. The point still stands, she is the last person who should be using nationalist rhetoric to try and get others to agree with her. Her response was the real issue and it’s fair to call out the hypocrisy in that.

A very sick bunch and I am sure their sickness is exacebated by the c0rn they consume, which is why they are especially triggered by the Jamaican man. Nothing scares them more than the Mandingo Madow man that takes all the wimmmeenn.

Very intellectual contribution to the topic at hand. Ceeb wallahi

 

[mr.overeasy]

i would say the same if it was a man. @Angelina isnt seeing without her feminist lenses.

Its useless debating with them, they never address my real point and keep crying misogyny.

My whole point is that if we can disregard someone's opinion because of their race, which is ignorant, then the same ignorance can be levied towards their relationship status.

The whole argument shows that it has nothing to do with the content of what they said, its a useless attack on the individual instead of their beliefs.

If the turkish dude was somali suddenly his points are all acceptable and that was the issue I was showing.

Ultimately this thread shows the difference between men and women.

Men argue on facts and the result of that, everything I said is rooted in reality.

Women are arguing here on emotion, they are saying what the feel, not what is true.

 

[Xoriyo]

Its useless debating with them, they never address my real point and keep crying misogyny.

My whole point is that if we can disregard someone's opinion because of their race, which is ignorant, then the same ignorance can be levied towards their relationship status.

The whole argument shows that it has nothing to do with the content of what they said, its a useless attack on the individual instead of their beliefs.

If the turkish dude was somali suddenly his points are all acceptable and that was the issue I was showing.

Ultimately this thread shows the difference between men and women.

Men argue on facts and the result of that, everything I said is rooted in reality.

Women are arguing here on emotion, they are saying what the feel, not what is true.

What reality?

Only demented cucks would be fine with some Turk talking down on another Somali and claiming to be more Somali. All while his country robs Somalia dry.

New age Farax cucks who have been emasculated by ajanabi men can hide behind her relationship status all they want but we see it for what it is.

No way would Turkish men twerk this shamelessly for some Farax telling a Turkish woman that he was more Turkish than her or that he knew better what was good for Turkey. Even if she was married to some Greek. The Farax would probably end up being arrested if he tried tweeting this in Turkey.

Haven’t been this disgusted in a while seeing the amount of Faraxs in his replies acting like a bunch of pajeets whenever they see a Israeli. At this point, it won’t be much longer before the Turks and Gulf Arabs divide the country amongst them as their official colonies while the mentally castrated Faraxs kiss their feet. All while acting tough with their own.

 

[Angelina]

@mr.overeasy I’m going to have to break this down for you.


Let me break this down slowly, since logic seems to be something you apply selectively.

Your entire point started with a false equivalence: that marrying someone non-Somali makes your Somali identity equal to, or less legitimate than, a complete outsider's in this case, a Turkish man. That’s not only wrong, it’s just embarrassingly bad logic. Let’s try this again:

• Being Somali is an identity, a lineage, a lived experience.
• Marrying someone outside doesn’t erase that identity.
• Being ajnabi (like the Turk) means you have no inherent cultural claim to Somali identity, no matter who you marry.

You said “If the Turkish dude was Somali, his opinion would suddenly be valid.” And yes, because he would actually be Somali. That’s literally how national and cultural identity works. You don't get cultural legitimacy through osmosis or marriage.

You then pivot to this idea that no one’s addressing your “real point.” Let me help you with that: your “real point” was addressed, taken apart, and returned to you in a box which is why you’re now deflecting with the classic anti-intellectual move of accusing others of being “emotional” instead of defending the point itself.

Also let's stop with the fake neutrality. You’re acting like you’re above bias, while your entire energy has been spent targeting a Somali woman over who she married, meanwhile giving a foreign man a free pass because he “researched Somalia.” You’ve been scrutinizing the woman’s personal life and giving the outsider’s political voice a pass. That’s not logic. That’s a deep need for ownership and control.

What’s really happening is that you're angry that a Somali woman clapped back at a man you like and instead of engaging with her argument, you dragged her marriage into it to try and discredit her. That’s not political analysis, that’s just fragile ego wrapped in false objectivity.

The whole “I hate racism” line is especially wild, when your entire argument is based on using racial anxiety as a gotcha. You can’t claim to be anti-racist and then reduce a woman’s entire identity to who she married — that’s not principle, that’s just bitterness because someone said something you didn’t like.

You’re not arguing based on fact. You’re not above the conversation. You’re just masking emotional insecurity behind a tired superiority complex, and it shows.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Unfortunately for Atta's Eunuchs, not only do we not worship men, we will certainly not respect castrated dayuusiin who lack ethnic pride and gatekeeping.

Aghas

At least try to have your own brand of Somali mysogyny, you don't even get paid for your services.