TURKISH man telling SOMALI woman that he knows more about Somalia than her 🤣🤣

[Fit~Prince]

You literally said she isn’t Somali. When you’re questioned on that, like the Low IQ, emotionally charged man, you cannot defend yourself without hurling insults and lying. You know you are wrong, because if you truly did believe your point you would not backtrack that you think a woman looses her identity if she marries a man. You said it verbatim, she isn’t Somali. Stand by that and shut up.

Who started with the insults? Somali women who marry ajnabi shouldn't represent our country. That's my main argument, so there is no need to prolong this conversation.

 

[Sigmundd]

Who started with the insults? Somali women who marry ajnabi shouldn't represent our country. That's my main argument, so there is no need to prolong this conversation.

If they are helping Somalia and contributing in the economy, than what is the issue? Why shouldn't they represent us? at least they aren't self haters and aren't distancing from their roots. They should be welcomed with open arms if they are their to help our nation.

 

[mr.overeasy]

Of course we have two 'Somali' men defending a Turkish man over a Somali woman, because she dared marry a foreign man.

When I see men like this, it's easy to see why South Somalia is babysat by foreign men, and not a shred of shame is felt. I think some of them genuinely enjoy being ruled by foreign men or think foreign men are superior to them.

You couldn't make it up if you tried. Sii fiican cagahiisa uu leefa.

You are joking right?

If someone is right we should support that person, if someone is wrong we have to call them out.

It doesn't matter what your blood is in an argument, this has no stakes in the real world.

Its one thing if this was between two prospective politicians in somalia, then the blood would matter, but in an argument of right and wrong the turkish man is correct and his ethnicity is irrelevant to the situation.

Some people are simply ignorant about their own countries, others love politics and delve into the situation of another country.

All that said, I do agree somalia needs less foreign influence, its just that you used that as if it has anything to do with a turkish internet guy.

 

[dcstardude]

Umut is fucking based bro, AND he's correct. Hodan Jamaican can keep her consistently stupid opinions to herself, she has been so wrong about everything that even ajnabis can see right through it

 

[mr.overeasy]

What does her husband have to do with you? Go focus on what you do with your own private parts.

If men like you focused on her actions, we wouldn't have to defend her from the self-declared Vagina Police.

You must be blind because her whole issue is that an ajnabi is commenting on somali politics.

This means her marriage IS relevant only because of that point.

She doesn't get to say ignore his opinion because he isn't somali, only to turn around and marry a non-somali.

Racemixing isn't the issue, it's the fact that she is using a dumb reason to discredit her opinion.

She deserves the scrutiny because of that, if she wants to be rude because someone is Turkish people should mention her husband and kids are Jamaican

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

You must be blind because her whole issue is that an ajnabi is commenting on somali politics.

This means her marriage IS relevant only because of that point.

She doesn't get to say ignore his opinion because he isn't somali, only to turn around and marry a non-somali.

Racemixing isn't the issue, it's the fact that she is using a dumb reason to discredit her opinion.

She deserves the scrutiny because of that, if she wants to be rude because someone is Turkish people should mention her husband and kids are Jamaican

Just say you hate women and go. You guys are so boring and predictable.

 

[FortniteLover]

The twitter somali girl is arguing from a nationalistic stance saying" I'm somali so my identity allows me to talk on this". She's arguing that only Somalis can speak on Somali issues because of their identity and that is a nationalist stance rooted in insider authority. If, at the same time, she's in a marriage with a non-Somali, that feels inconsistent , especially if she's excluding others from interacting based on their ethnicity while having close personal ties across ethnic lines especially in something so intimate like marriage.

Also it's a mad boring argument to say "oh you guys hate women" when there's reasons for what's being said

 

[Angelina]

You must be blind because her whole issue is that an ajnabi is commenting on somali politics.

This means her marriage IS relevant only because of that point.

She doesn't get to say ignore his opinion because he isn't somali, only to turn around and marry a non-somali.

Racemixing isn't the issue, it's the fact that she is using a dumb reason to discredit her opinion.

She deserves the scrutiny because of that, if she wants to be rude because someone is Turkish people should mention her husband and kids are Jamaican

Is her ajnabi husband commenting on the state of Somalia? Your point will only make sense if she was allowing her husband to also make comments. A persons marriage doesn’t invalidate their Somalinimo and their knowledge of the place.

It’s actually insane that you’re comparing an Ajnabi man claiming to know more vs a woman who is from Somalia.. Does her marriage invalidate her previous experiences? What does her marriage have to do with her knowing more about her peoples since her lived experiences is Somali?

How does that work? My issue with you misogynistic men is your lack of logic and how your thought process is all over the place.

We all know if that Turkish man was arguing with a Somali man with an cadaan wife for instance, none of you imbeciles would defend the Turk. You’d understand that the Somali man is fully part of his community and that no marriage can take away his knowledge and or expertise.

It’s classic text book dehumanization of women. The only way you can ever rationalize your point is because you think a woman’s identity is tied to her husband. Hodan isn’t her man, her man doesn’t have any bearing on her as a Somali and her built in experiences and decades of being around her people.

 

[Angelina]

Umut is fucking based bro, AND he's correct. Hodan Jamaican can keep her consistently stupid opinions to herself, she has been so wrong about everything that even ajnabis can see right through it

Look at this, shows everything I was pointing out:

All of you believe that a woman now takes on her man’s lineage. That is the crux of the issue so trying to intellectualize your low IQ points will always fail and why you won’t ever have a leg to stand on.

 

[Angelina]

Crazy this is equivalent to telling a woman she doesn’t know anything about her tribe anymore because she married a man from a different tribe. Doesn’t matter that she has been born into that tribe or that her whole family and everyone around her for 20+ years is of that tribe. If you suggested that people would think you’re mad.

Or it’s like saying a woman raised in London no longer knows anything about London and that she can’t say to a non Londoner you don’t know what it is to be Londoner because she married someone from Manchester. If you suggested such a thing people again would think you’re crazy.

Now you’re suggesting that what woman know and don’t know is about who they marry and that is it. I a Londoner can never to suggest to know more about being a Londoner because I married someone isn’t from London for example.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Crazy this is equivalent to telling a woman she doesn’t know anything about her tribe anymore because she married a man from a different tribe. Doesn’t matter that is of that tribe or that her whole family and everyone around her for 20+ years is of that tribe. If you suggested that people would think you’re mad.

Or it’s like saying a woman raised in London no longer knows anything about London and that she can’t say to a non Londoner you don’t know what it is to be Londoner because she married someone from Manchester. If you suggested such a thing people again would think you’re crazy.

Now you’re suggesting that what woman know and don’t know is about who they marry that is it. I a Londoner can never to suggest to know more about Londoner because I married someone isn’t from London for example.

This is the thought process of the men who claim to have more than a double digit IQ. Once you break down their thought process in simple terms it becomes so apparent how moronic and hate filled it becomes.

They are pathetic and insecure. So unsure in their manhood that they jump in our feminine sphere to try to lord it over us. They have nothing going on in their lives and think they own Somalinimo and Somali women are nothing more than a vagina and a womb that belongs to the man that rents it. That's how they view their own mothers and daughters too.

They try to threaten Somali women with ex-communication as if they have that power, LOL, and as if they own us.

A very sick bunch and I am sure their sickness is exacebated by the c0rn they consume, which is why they are especially triggered by the Jamaican man. Nothing scares them more than the Mandingo Madow man that takes all the wimmmeenn.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Madow men trigger insecure men so much, their number one boogeyman and it spans all ethnicities and religions. They really see Madow men as the pinnacle of masculinity. In real life, if they saw her and her husband outside they would bow their little heads and scurry away like the rats they are. They would never dare address the Madow man they deify in their insecurities, as the Madow man is the ultimate ALPHA.

The only thing that annoys me about these tantrums, is that they spam it and try to make it seem that their pathetic opinions and fears are shared by all Somali men. Just speak for your insecure selves and naga aamusa. No self-respecting Somali man is threatened by Madow men or cares about it either, they are busy with things such as a 'job'.

Everyday crying about some Madow man, oo asaagaaga ah. Uff.

 

[Angelina]

They are pathetic and insecure. So unsure in their manhood that they jump in our feminine sphere to try to lord it over us. They have nothing going on in their lives and think they own Somalinimo and Somali women are nothing more than a vagina and a womb that belongs to the man that rents it. That's how they view their own mothers and daughters too.

A very sick bunch and I am sure their sickness is exacebated by the c0rn they consume, which is why they are especially triggered by the Jamaican man. Nothing scares them more than the Mandingo Madow man that takes all the wimmmeenn.

Literally this. Women are empty vessels to them that don’t have origins, backgrounds or lived experiences or even family.

That is what they’re indicating when they think a woman who has married as a fully fledged adult no longer has any built up knowledge, understanding or ties to her lineage simply due to who she married. Does the Jamaican she married replace what her identity is? Her qabil? Where she might have been born, replace her experiences of being raised with Somalis? Her parents? Her Somali aunts and uncles? This woman has a wealth of knowledge of what it is to be Somali, because she is one and has never known anything but being Somali. Can that Turk ever have that experience?

 

[Fit~Prince]

If they are helping Somalia and contributing in the economy, than what is the issue? Why shouldn't they represent us? at least they aren't self haters and aren't distancing from their roots. They should be welcomed with open arms if they are their to help our nation.

We know that husbands have influence over their wives and in that sense, It doesn't make sense to empower a woman who has loyalties to her ajnabi man and her ajnabi children to look after us. If these women want to contribute economically, they can do so . But no to holding a political office.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Literally this. Women are empty vessels to them that don’t have origins, backgrounds or lived experiences or even family.

That is what they’re indicating when they think a woman who has married as a fully fledged adult no longer has any built up knowledge, understanding or ties to her lineage simply due to who she married. Does the Jamaican she married replace what her identity is? Her qabil? Where she might have been born, replace her experiences of being raised with Somalis? Her parents? Her Somali aunts and uncles? This woman has a wealth of knowledge of what it is to be Somali, because she is one and has never known anything but being Somali. Can that Turk ever have that experience?

They are homoerotic basically, which is why they were foaming at the mouth to demean a Somali woman in favour of one of their own; the beloved fellow man. It's also why they don't feel ashamed about inviting foreign terrorists to Somalia to take part in abusing Somali girls/women. They see us as bodies, and men as fully-formed fellow human beings.


This famous quote sums it up;

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

We know that husbands have influence over their wives and in that sense, It doesn't make sense to empower a woman who has loyalties to her ajnabi man and her ajnabi children to look after us. If these women want to contribute economically, they can do so . But no to holding a political office.

LOL

And women have influence over husbands, as has been proven throughout history and even in present-times. But of course, you probably don't think a woman is capable of independent thought. It must be shocking to you to see women even dare respond to you.

 

[Angelina]

We know that husbands have influence over their wives and in that sense, It doesn't make sense to empower a woman who has loyalties to her ajnabi man and her ajnabi children to look after us. If these women want to contribute economically, they can do so . But no to holding a political office.

A Western Jamaican has nothing to do with Somali politics. There are no political tensions, proximities or anything that can cause disloyalty you’re talking about.

But you’d rather side with a Turk whose nation is literally trying to short change Somalia via the ridiculous oil deal. That man is more of a threat than any Somali woman that’s married out. Also, what you’re saying would make sense if she was married to an Ethiopian for instance who as a nation do have ulterior motives with regards to Somalia.

This is simply about feeling as though you have ownership over Somali women. If Hodan was married to a die hard Somaliland advocate who wanted to threaten Somali sovereignty you’d never equate who she is married to having sway over her despite the fact that Somaliland whilst being ethnically Somali are currently political enemies of Somalia due to feeling disgruntled about their lack of independence. Yet being married to someone who hates the state of Somalia is more of a political liability but we both know you’d never see it that way since your issue isn’t really the politics of it. It’s simply female ownership. How dare this Somali woman whom we ‘own’ marry out. it’s about racial insecurity and rooted in ownership. This is it. Hence do not insult our intelligence and try to say it’s something else. Politically, you’d know the Turkish man is a worse choice to defend from a purely political stand point.

 

[Angelina]

So we should support the daesh supporting ajnabi who spews lies 24/7 on twitter thinking we are low iq?

It’s wild, even Abdisamad, who’s openly critical of interracial marriages, can recognize the reality here. This whole discussion really separates who’s thinking clearly from who’s running on emotion and insecurity.

Regardless of how anyone feels about Somali women marrying out, defending a Turkish man, from a nation that’s been exerting serious political influence over Somalia, especially with the recent shady oil deal, shows that your concern has nothing to do with politics.

Let’s be real, Hodan’s marriage to a Western Jamaican is irrelevant here. The Turkish state has had far more political leverage in Somalia over the past decade. So when you choose to target her, but not a foreign man from a state exploiting Somalia, that tells us everything.

This isn’t about patriotism. It’s about misogyny and male sexual entitlement. That kind of insecurity leads to lazy, low-IQ takes, because instead of analyzing power and politics, you're more worried about controlling Somali women.

 

[mr.overeasy]

Is her ajnabi husband commenting on the state of Somalia? Your point will only make sense if she was allowing her husband to also make comments. A persons marriage doesn’t invalidate their Somalinimo and their knowledge of the place.

It’s actually insane that you’re comparing an Ajnabi man claiming to know more vs a woman who is from Somalia.. Does her marriage invalidate her previous experiences? What does her marriage have to do with her knowing more about her peoples since her lived experiences is Somali?

How does that work? My issue with you misogynistic men is your lack of logic and how your thought process is all over the place.

We all know if that Turkish man was arguing with a Somali man with an cadaan wife for instance, none of you imbeciles would defend the Turk. You’d understand that the Somali man is fully part of his community and that no marriage can take away his knowledge and or expertise.

It’s classic text book dehumanization of women. The only way you can ever rationalize your point is because you think a woman’s identity is tied to her husband. Hodan isn’t her man, her man doesn’t have any bearing on her as a Somali and her built in experiences and decades of being around her people.

You cry misogyny over something that has nothing to do with gender, I would say the same if a somali guy pulled this stunt.

The point I was making, is that if someone being ajnabi means they can no longer have an opinion on somalia the same applies to a racemixer.

This is because they willingly abandon their people to mix with another race.

The race mixing is halal and not immoral, but it is hypocritical to make a fuss about someone's race then not marry your own race let alone ethnic group.

And again, you bring gender into it, I have spread far more negativity towards somali men instead of somali women on this platform because I have more experience with male issues.

Literally today some male on here was complaining I was obsessed with him and that I have some issue with him specifically.

Drop the main character syndrome, your gender is irrelevant to the conversation, I simply illustrated the issue with racial remarks while race mixing.

Your anger actually helps show my point about the hypocrisy, some somalis go nuts when someone criticizes race mixing but not blatant racism, and you yourself are guilty of this in the thread.

If you want to marry a non somali go nuts, but don't turn around and act like you are a gatekeeper of somali business.

 

[Angelina]

You cry misogyny over something that has nothing to do with gender, I would say the same if a somali guy pulled this stunt.

The point I was making, is that if someone being ajnabi means they can no longer have an opinion on somalia the same applies to a racemixer.

This is because they willingly abandon their people to mix with another race.

The race mixing is halal and not immoral, but it is hypocritical to make a fuss about someone's race then not marry your own race let alone ethnic group.

And again, you bring gender into it, I have spread far more negativity towards somali men instead of somali women on this platform because I have more experience with male issues.

Literally today some male on here was complaining I was obsessed with him and that I have some issue with him specifically.

Drop the main character syndrome, your gender is irrelevant to the conversation, I simply illustrated the issue with racial remarks while race mixing.

Your anger actually helps show my point about the hypocrisy, some somalis go nuts when someone criticizes race mixing but not blatant racism, and you yourself are guilty of this in the thread.

If you want to marry a non somali go nuts, but don't turn around and act like you are a gatekeeper of somali business.

It is absurd. People’s lived experiences, identity and their very existence do not go once they say ‘I do’. How does that apply to a ‘race mixer’? Does a Londoner stop having a better understanding of where they grew up if they marry someone from Manchester? Can someone from Birmingham then turn around and say to the Londoner shut up I know more since you’re married to someone from Manchester? I have to make the analogy that simple because of how slow you’re coming across?

On a personal level, I’m not a fan of mixed unions but I am able to use my logic. You’re siding with a Turk with 0 ties to Somalia from a nation that is literally trying to exploit our resources over an actual Somali whose entire lineage is Somali and has only ever been Somali.

What you marry doesn’t take precedence over what you are. It doesn’t take over what you know of your own region and culture.

The fact that you’re making this personal and are now trying to talk about what id go for whilst I’m with a Somali and would only ever be with a Somali is telling. This isn’t political for you, it’s an obsession with ownership.

Even men on this forum who don’t like IR can see what’s at play. Be political savvy and don’t let your emotions cloud you.