Turkey vs Syrian Kurds

[Apollo]

Good analysis of the situation:


Who do you support?

If you aren't sure, watch the analysis and then make up your mind.

 

[Macalin M]

I’m a neutral

 

[Apollo]

Threw in IS into the poll so the CIA/GCHQ/CSIS/Europol know who to spy on and track.

 

[madaxweyne]

i voted neutral i dont support turkey or kurdistan in this operation to be completly honest, i think turkey should allow the syrian army to take the kurdish areas under their controll that way the kurdish problem goes away and turkey wont need to invade thous ending the conflict

 

[VixR]

Turkey won’t accomplish its objectives, bc the Kurds after being fucked by the US, have renegotiated with Damascus (which is backed by Russia) to protect North-Eastern Syria from the Turkish incursion.

I see the Kurds going back on giving up the oil fields and calls of autonomy to Assad after the Turkish army fails, which was part of the terms of agreement. Those people never give up. They’ve been making smart existential decisions so far.

 

[Misil]

These pkk aligned groups get no sympathy from me, they've been trying to expand 'Kurdish territory' westwards towards the Mediterranean by changing the demographic map of the north. This has been done through the systematic burning of Arab/Assyrian/Turkmen villages.

Kurds that don't agree with their Communist ideals have also been targeted. Just take a look at the amount of Turkish Kurds they've killed. If we're being honest, the pkk and it's ofshoots has killed more people than Isis

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[Diaspora ambassador]

Turkey won’t accomplish its objectives, bc the Kurds after being fucked by the US, have renegotiated with Damascus (which is backed by Russia) to protect North-Eastern Syria from the Turkish incursion.

I see the Kurds going back on giving up the oil fields and calls of autonomy to Assad after the Turkish army fails, which was part of the terms of agreement. Those people never give up. They’ve been making smart existential decisions so far.

Turkey, Iran and Russia are all onboard with this mission. They all want influence and stability in the region. If the kurds were peaceful and not eye balling and launching rockets to Turkey and supporting the Pkk. They could remain in that area, however they fucked up. Turkey has military wase the advantage, what did the kurds except to happen. Poke your ancient nemesis and get away with it?

Trump was right after all. He let them fight for a while and sided with Turkey and negotiated a timeframe that would allow the kurds to relocate. Assad is now backing the kurds against the Turks hoping the Syrian and Kurdish alliance can be restored.

This is all geopolitics not just one ethnicity vs another. There are millions of kurds in Turkey favouring Erdogan approach to the bufferzone. Plus the fact that 3.6 million Syrian refugees reside in Turkey, this is an economical string for Turkey aswell. Hence why he wants to send them back in to the bufferzone or Europe should take them. As he said or else we will open the gates and send 3.6 million refugees your way.

 

[The alchemist]

Not very invested in this, but I understand Turkey's need for preemptive measures. It is a reasonable motivation, IMO. The external forces will cause long-term imbalance domestically if not adequately deterred. It's a matter of national security.

 

[CaliTedesse]

Caspian report is always biased on these issues regarding Turkey since he's Azerbaijani Turk.

 

[Tukraq]

I support Syrian Kurds in Syria, sorry but turkey has no right to be in syria, Turks should remain on there side of the border

 

[VixR]

I support Syrian Kurds in Syria, sorry but turkey has no right to be in syria, Turks should remain on there side of the border

They were meddling in Syria and did everything to escalate the war, and yet got upset that the Kurds joined the scuffle (successfully). The Kurds got an image boost out of it and proved themselves in some ways.

They’re being overtaken by their Kurdish population within Turkey. Half their country consists of Kurds and they’re outbreeding the Turks. If they don’t stop their stigmatization within their own country, it’s not going to go over well for Turkey itself.

 

[Apollo]

Caspian report is always biased on these issues regarding Turkey since he's Azerbaijani Turk.

Better than mainstream news when it comes foreign affairs, they have their Western biases.

 

[P4$t0]

Whoever votes for ISIS please tell me you're joking/trolling.

 

[Apollo]

@SOMALI GENERAL

How do you reconcile your support for Kurdistan while being against Somaliland? It's logically inconsistent if you are pro-self-determination.

Also for @Tukraq

 

[Tukraq]

@SOMALI GENERAL

How do you reconcile your support for Kurdistan while being against Somaliland? It's logically inconsistent if you are pro-self-determination.

Also for @Tukraq

Who said I support Kurdistan? Reread my post I said turkey has no right to be attacking Syrian Kurds in Syria and turkey should stay within there borders, Syria is a different sovereign country and there a population in it, I’d more on support a Kurdish president for Syria then say a Kurdistan state that will obviously not ever happen

 

[VixR]

@SOMALI GENERAL

How do you reconcile your support for Kurdistan while being against Somaliland? It's logically inconsistent if you are pro-self-determination.

Also for @Tukraq

Lol. That’s your reason for your pro-Turk vote?

I thought the overwhelming Turkish support had more to do how Somalis are obsessed with them for “their work” in Somalia, as if it were free.

I think Somalilanders will always feel disconnected from Somalia/ Mogadishu, even if recognition never occurs.

 

[Tukraq]

Lol. That’s your reason for your pro-Turk vote?

I thought the overwhelming Turkish support had more to do how Somalis are obsessed with them for “their work” in Somalia, as if it were free.

Geo politically it’s like Ethiopia attacking Issaqs in northern Somalia, just because I would be opposed to Ethiopia attacking issaqs dosent mean I support the splitting of there people from somalia, I just don’t think Ethiopia should be attacking a Somali group within somalia, same concept here with the Kurds

 

[VixR]

Geo politically it’s like Ethiopia attacking Issaqs in northern Somalia, just because I would be opposed to Ethiopia attacking issaqs dosent mean I support the splitting of there people from somalia, I just don’t think Ethiopia should be attacking a Somali group within somalia, same concept here with the Kurds

As he said, the whole self-determination thing is key to his thought process. Apollo is on another level. I’ve seen him support the China/Tibet approach, and now the Turk/Kurd along that same line, with no reason to feel strongly for either.

If he had his way, I’m sure the same applies to Somaliland. Us being Somalis, I’m sure another Rwanda would have to happen before they’d let Mogadishu bring them back in. Somalilanders back home and abroad have no desire to embrace Mogadishu.

 

[Tukraq]

As he said, the whole self-determination thing is key to his thought process. Apollo is on another level. I’ve seen him support the China/Tibet approach, and now the Turk/Kurd along that same line. If he had his way, I’m guessing the same applies to Somaliland.

Look geopolitically somaliland and Kurdistan are impossible as well as Tibet as the implications it makes, it just wont ever happen, but this is about foreign troops attacking a population within a different country, it’s not like Somalia vs Somali issaqs, it’s like Ethiopia vs Somali issaqs, or India vs Chinese Tibetans, in both cases I would not want Ethiopia attacking Somali citizens in Somalia or India attacking Tibet regions in China, this is the case with Turkish attacking not there own Kurds but literally ones in a different country, who I think have every right to run Syria and would in my opinion be the most favorable group to precede after Assad

 

[VixR]

Look geopolitically somaliland and Kurdistan are impossible as well as Tibet as the implications it makes, it just wont ever happen, but this is about foreign troops attacking a population within a different country, it’s not like Somalia vs Somali issaqs, it’s like Ethiopia vs Somali issaqs, or India vs Chinese Tibetans, in both cases I would not want Ethiopia attacking Somali citizens in Somalia or India attacking Tibet regions in China, this is the case with Turkish attacking not there own Kurds but literally ones in a different country, who I think have every right to run Syria and would in my opinion be the most favorable group to precede after Assad

I understand that.

That’s the whole reason the Kurds were able to realign themselves with baba Assad when the US ditched them. Their objectives aligned once the Turks were given the greenlight to invade NE Syria, and became a national threat. All the players are in bed with each other from moment to moment, depending on the tides.