Turkey calls on UAE to stop supporting Al-Shabaab

[Adaawe]

"Eritrea has reduced its support for the al-Qaeda-allied al-Shabab group in Somalia under international pressure but still violates UN Security Council resolutions and remains a destabilising influence, a UN report says. "
I thought this was common knowledge.

One the other hand, if FGS kick out qatar today I wouldn't be surprised if they start supporting AS.
There are no permanent enemies, and no permanent friends, only permanent interests.

Under Farmaajo they haven't done that. That was during the proxy war between them and TPLF Ethiopia. Now Eritrea and SFG are allies. And you are right with that quote.

 

[beerdilacshe]

these gulf countries can't withstand each other they are western puppets it was always like that but now there is more to it they brought their war to different muslim countries i.e yemen, pakistan, tunisia and specially to us somalia they are literally hunting down each other inside somalia qatar assasinated an emirati manager in puntland then emirates vengence backfired so bad they hired shabab to bomb turkish embassy which led to the catastrophic zobe more than 1000 somalis died in one minute the most bloodiest massacres in the last 2 decades it will be better if we kick this arabs out of somalia don't be trapped into their wars
am qatar am emirate am saudi side

 

[Ras]

Ofc there's no free lunch. But who do you ally yourself with? A country (UAE) that is blocking the development of your ports to ensure their dominance of the Red Sea trade for Jebel Ali port? Or a country that needs your oil and gas which they don't naturally have? And you can parlay that into a win win situation? To me it makes more sense strategically to ally with a NATO power like Turkey with a proven military prowess than a jilbaab wearing Arab who can't even project power against Israel, their traditional rival

First you have to try to understand what they're really after. Only after understanding your opponents can you start to hold leverage over them.

First of all Turkey isn't after oil because

1. we don't have any proven deposits so why would they go through all that trouble if it's not even guaranteed

2. if we somehow did have oil then Turkey wouldn't even be in line to take a drop of it even if they provided 10x of what they already did. A single cough from a multinational oil giant would have them on their knees. They might be a super power to us but to the real big powers they aren't worth shid.

What they're really after is pretty much an ego play by Erdogan and a way to make money. He wants to create a neo Ottoman empire or sphere of influence since he thinks that would somehow play well with his domestic followers... it's just all posturing.

Erdogan is also using it to funnel Turkish tax payers money on Somali development projects into his own pockets by hiring his family and friends to take on the construction jobs.

So he using Somalia to posture to Turkish voters that he's rebuilding the great Turkey of the past while also using Somalia to probably fund his re-election schemes and to keep his political lieutenants happy.

Like all other dictators all he cares about his holding on to power. That's his real goal with Somalia.

Once we know that we have him by the balls and there are plenty of ways we could use this as leverage to get them to help lift the embargo.

As for UAE the western condoms? Not sure what they're real goals are. The west isn't a monolith bloc like Turkey.

 

[Ras]

Investing a billion dollars over a decade is pretty significant, not mention the hospital Turkey built is the only one worth a damn in the country.

It actually isn't if most of it will be going to Erdogan's pocket.

Turkey spent 1 million per bed refurbishing an already built hospital.

My gratitude is with the Turkish tax payers not the administration who probably pocketed 50% of the funds.

It's just a PR play with the Turkish voters base in mind. Read my posts above that explain it.

 

[beerdilacshe]

First you have to try to understand what they're really after. Only after understanding your opponents can you start to hold leverage over them.

First of all Turkey isn't after oil because

1. we don't have any proven deposits so why would they go through all that trouble if it's not even guaranteed

2. if we somehow did have oil then Turkey wouldn't even be in line to take a drop of it even if they provided 10x of what they already did. A single cough from a multinational oil giant would have them on their knees. They might be a super power to us but to the real big powers they aren't worth shid.

What they're really after is pretty much an ego play by Erdogan and a way to make money. He wants to create a neo Ottoman empire or sphere of influence since he thinks that would somehow play well with his domestic followers... it's just all posturing.

Erdogan is also using it to funnel Turkish tax payers money on Somali development projects into his own pockets by hiring his family and friends to take on the construction jobs.

So he using Somalia to posture to Turkish voters that he's rebuilding the great Turkey of the past while also using Somalia to probably fund his re-election schemes and to keep his political lieutenants happy.

Like all other dictators all he cares about his holding on to power. That's his real goal with Somalia.

Once we know that we have him by the balls and there are plenty of ways we could use this as leverage to get them to help lift the embargo.

As for UAE the western condoms? Not sure what they're real goals are. The west isn't a monolith bloc like Turkey.

i think the most dangerous out of all these outside powers fighting for somalia is UAE here is why
1. they don't want port competition in the red sea they took all the ports in the red sea so they have financial and geographical competition with somalia
2. UAE is in war with qatar and turkey of which they are hunting qatar and turkey assets most recently killing of 2 turkish construction engineers and also don't forget the zobe massacre its inial target was the turkey embassy

 

[Adaawe]

First you have to try to understand what they're really after. Only after understanding your opponents can you start to hold leverage over them.

First of all Turkey isn't after oil because

1. we don't have any proven deposits so why would they go through all that trouble if it's not even guaranteed

2. if we somehow did have oil then Turkey wouldn't even be in line to take a drop of it even if they provided 10x of what they already did. A single cough from a multinational oil giant would have them on their knees. They might be a super power to us but to the real big powers they aren't worth shid.

What they're really after is pretty much an ego play by Erdogan and a way to make money. He wants to create a neo Ottoman empire or sphere of influence since he thinks that would somehow play well with his domestic followers... it's just all posturing.

Erdogan is also using it to funnel Turkish tax payers money on Somali development projects into his own pockets by hiring his family and friends to take on the construction jobs.

So he using Somalia to posture to Turkish voters that he's rebuilding the great Turkey of the past while also using Somalia to probably fund his re-election schemes and to keep his political lieutenants happy.

Like all other dictators all he cares about his holding on to power. That's his real goal with Somalia.

Once we know that we have him by the balls and there are plenty of ways we could use this as leverage to get them to help lift the embargo.

As for UAE the western condoms? Not sure what they're real goals are. The west isn't a monolith bloc like Turkey.

I agree with you. My bias aside from loving Turkey. I see no foreseeable future for Somalia. Until we agree to unite. We're fucked. N&N can't do everything by itself.

 

[Ras]

i think the most dangerous out of all these outside powers fighting for somalia is UAE here is why
1. they don't want port competition in the red sea they took all the ports in the red sea so they have financial and geographical competition with somalia
2. UAE is in war with qatar and turkey of which they are hunting qatar and turkey assets most recently killing of 2 turkish construction engineers and also don't forget the zobe massacre its inial target was the turkey embassy

They only seem more dangerous because they hold less influence in Somalia than Qatar & Turkey. If UAE controlled the administration in Xamar you'd see Qatar & Turkey support AS to try to get a foothold in the country.

You'd think Turkey might be the lesser evil but at the end of the day we'd still have to deal with UAE's sugar daddies (US, Britain, EU and etc).... and working with Turkey might mean less benefits for us.

 

[Ras]

I agree with you. My bias aside from loving Turkey. I see no foreseeable future for Somalia. Until we agree to unite. We're fucked. N&N can't do everything by itself.

Sxb don't worry. After the next upcoming election it'll all get better gradually. Currently it may seem like chaos but that' because the Somali intelligentsia are giving the UN & etc the time and space to resolve our issues since we don't want to go back to groundless fighting.

However if they haven't resolved shit by the 2021 election; we'll take our destiny back into our own hands.

 

[Adaawe]

Sxb don't worry. After the next upcoming election it'll all get better gradually. Currently it may seem like chaos but that' because the Somali intelligentsia are giving the UN & etc the time and space to resolve our issues since we don't want to go back to groundless fighting.

However if they haven't resolved shit by the 2021 election; we'll take our destiny back into our own hands.

Bro all sides are relaying on foreign patronage. As the post civil war generation. We have to clean these boomers mistakes.

 

[Ras]

Bro all sides are relaying on foreign patronage. As the post civil war generation. We have to clean these boomers mistakes.

Foreign patronage isn't a sin. What is a sin is relying on low level powers like the Gulf and Turkey...even worse Ethiopia

 

[BetterDaysAhead]

UAE still supports al-Shabaab through Somalia's illicit charcoal trade

 

[BetterDaysAhead]

Al Shabab receives support from Saudi Arabia, Eritrea, UAE, Qatar and others. They are like the handout seeking prostitutes in Villa Somalia.

Even Eritrea? Smh why does everyone hate somalia

 

[Adaawe]

Foreign patronage isn't a sin. What is a sin is relying on low level powers like the Gulf and Turkey...even worse Ethiopia

Kenya as well. Shows our low IQ

 

[Juke]

Even Eritrea? Smh why does everyone hate somalia

Somalis hate themselves as there is no such thing as Somali unity, again blame the low IQ

 

[Prime Minister]

That's not AS. That's a business dispute. Plus, it kills the direct competitor to the Qataris. Was it a massive bomb that killed civilians like Zobe? Or UAE port manager getting his head clapped?

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Xayawaankaan eega.

 

[Rooble44]

>UAE IS FUNDING TERRORISM IN SOMALIA
In other news, water is wet.

 

[madaxweyne]

the un recoqnised government just some scored some victories thanks to turkish military asisstance if the turks can provide the same thing for somalis that would help in the fight against al shabab arms embargo is not an excuse as libya and somalia are both on the un arms embargo list

 

[Prime Minister]

khalifar haftars un recoqnised goverment just some scored some victories thanks to turkish military asisstance if the turks can provide the same thing for somalis that would help in the fight against al shabab arms embargo is not an excuse as libya and somalia are both on the un arms embargo list

It's not as easy as that we can't prevent weapons from ending up in al shabaab hands.

 

[OTF]

khalifar haftars un recoqnised goverment just some scored some victories thanks to turkish military asisstance if the turks can provide the same thing for somalis that would help in the fight against al shabab arms embargo is not an excuse as libya and somalia are both on the un arms embargo list

Actually its the other way around. The turkish are supporting the recognized gov of Libya. While UAE/Egypt/France are the ones that are supporting the rogue general Khalifa haftar.

I don't think anybody cares about arms embargo except the poor African countries. Countries like Libya/Syria/Yemen/Iran and NK are all still getting tanks and airplanes despite the arms embargo.

 

[madaxweyne]

It's not as easy as that we can't prevent weapons from ending up in al shabaab hands.

that's a fake excuse by world powers who fund al shabab to justify the arms embargo libyas un recognized government is fighting a rebel group we are fighting crazy terrorists who use car bombs ieds roadside bombings etc our troops need armored fighting vehicles tanks anti-tank guided missiles etc turkey needs to fund our troops with better equipment