The Somali IQ myth and it’s origin.

[Kane]

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[wonyluvr]

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[TheLand]

The best way to put it to bed is to stop brining it up every day.

 

[The alchemist]

I've debunked this many times over the years. Let's not try to shadowbox a dead horse.

 

[marcellady]

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[TheLand]

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[novanova]

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[Idilinaa]

Someone shared it in another thread months ago

Its something they will rinse and repeat quite often, but it really has no scientific or academic merit behind it.

It's also easy disprove it:

The IQ thing is easily disprovable. You can show them Somali test scores in America, UK where we outperform the natives and white students and the 2nd best school in Sweden which is also ranked first in the capital has 94% Somali student body. So how is this all possible if we have low IQ?

Somali educational achievement - Lambeth, UK

A oft-repeated myth is that somalis do not perform as good in education as other ethnicities. I am not denying that the current educational situation in the somaly community is not perfect, but it is not as close to as bad as some portray it. In fact, the opposite is closer to the truth. To...

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More than 90% of students at the best school in Swedish capital are of Somali origin

https://salamlab.pl/en/more-than-90-of-students-at-the-best-school-in-swedish-capital-are-of-somali-origin/ Kista International School was ranked as the second best school in the country. It is also ranked first in the capital. This conclusion was based not only on the academic performance...

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Mismeasurement of the Somali

It is entirely possible that Somalis have average IQs much higher than what has been thrown around on this board. I used state standardized test data for two high schools in Minnesota that are 100% Somali to show this possibility. The first is Ubah Medical Academy in Hopkins and the second is...

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The 68 IQ stats they bring up all the time is neither academically recorded or scientific, its literally pulled from a known/admitted white supremacist Richard Lynn

Let me tell you the same guy said this :

“African Americans have on average about 25 percent of European ancestry and this increases their IQs above that of Africans in Africa” – Richard Lynn, Race Differences in Intelligence.

White supramacist's can't believe scores of East African students LoL!!

http://www.unz.com/article/closing-the-black-white-iq-gap-debate-part-2/ According to white supremacists, Ethiopians have the lowest IQ of any black population, while African Americans have the highest average because of their 20% Caucasian admixture. Testing in Seattle schools proves that East...

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People have easily tested this btw by using Somali Seattle educational test scores and compared it to African American test scores. Mind you Black Americans in Washinghton/DC area have an average measured IQ of 94.

Many IQ scholars, including Lynn, have said that blacks in the northern states have an IQ advantage over those in the southern states and they have estimated their average IQs at around 90 and above.

In 2006, HBD blogger “Audacious Epigone” found a way of estimating the black IQs of different states using Lynn’s methods (on NAEP test scores) and he found Washington State on top with an estimated black children IQ of 94.5 (it was just a little lower when he repeated the calculations in 2013 with some slight changes). They were actually number one in the country in those first 2006 estimates:

The data from the Seattle Experiment shows that refugee children speaking different African languages at home in the US perform surprisingly well on the state tests, just like their fellow refugees who went to the UK, where they also start out with a large language barrier. Just like in the UK, they perform below whites (at least before sufficient linguistic assimilation), but still way above what is expected from their estimated national or racial (genotypic) IQs. Their performance above American blacks (labeled as “English-speaking” blacks) defies the common sociologist explanation that higher achieving black immigrants are simply the most driven members of their source populations (some were just in refugee camps), and it equally defies the modern hereditarian argument that they are just the most self-selected in intelligence relative to their source populations, unless we now start extending this cognitive self-selectivity and “assortative mating” quality to people who run to United Nations refugee camps for protection. (It is not necessarily all who were from these camps, but that doesn’t matter since even those who were from there are performing above native black Americans).

‘Alarming’ new test-score gap discovered in Seattle schools

For the first time, Seattle Public Schools officials have broken down test scores by specific home language. The recently announced results revealed a surprising trend that may have implications for policy around the district.

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• Only 36 percent of black students who speak English at home passed their grade’s math test, while 47 percent of Somali-speaking students passed.

• In reading, 56 percent of black students who speak English passed, while 67 percent of Somali-speaking students passed.

So how are Somalis who recently arrived, not hand picked, do not come from affluence outperform Black Americans who have an IQ of 94 and white genes etc, in math and reading if they have an IQ of 68?

If anything all of what i summarized actually proves how intelligent and resourceful Somalis are.

But yeah this won't matter much to white supremacists and people who have a grudge against us. They will go through mental gymnastics and hoops to explain this away like they done in the past, i.e Hamitic hypothesis.

Basically a more convincing way of discrediting it then simply calling it racist or scientific racism or the faulty collection methodology.

What i find even more laughable is that when the Somali American school test scores was first made public, white supremacists embarked on a unusual mental gymnastics by claiming that we were "substantially non-Negroid"

Because they couldn't default to their usual explanations of ''Highly selected economic migrants'' the same way they did with other Nigerians and Ghanaian's.

Since most Ethiopian Americans were or are the descendants of highly selected economic emigrants, Seattle Ethiopian scores, even were they representative of those of the broader Ethiopian American population, could not provide dispositive evidence in support of his argument. Since Somali immigrants, mostly being nominal refugees, are much less selected, their scores could disconfirm a global Jensenist hypothesis (with respect to SubSaharan Africans and Europids) — maybe this should be called a Lynnian or Rushtonian hypothesis instead, since Jensen concerned himself mostly with U.S. differences — so long as we are willing to discount the fact and any implications drawn from this that Horn-of-African populations are substantially non-Negroid. Unfortunately, for his argument, though, the Somali performance in the U.S. — as yet — seems to be not inconsistent with a Jensenist position. More convincing data could be found. In the future it would be nice if any such was presented in a rigorous manner.

So you should know the facts for yourself but don't bother arguing with them about it because they are this ideologically committed and wired.

 

[Mohamedamiin120]

Somalis are the easiest group to ragebait. This does not deserve a reply at all.

 

[Mohamedamiin120]

Somalis are the easiest group to ragebait. This does not deserve a reply at all.

Like when you yell at a barking dog it will bark more, so don’t yell at it and instead just walk away. It will tire himself.

 

[Dharbash]

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As controversial as it sounds, I don’t think it’s entirely wrong. Some of the slowest people I’ve ever come across were other Somalis

 

[Riftvalley]

Zoomaali and Low IQ: both common insults some Somalis throw around online. The term was popularised by Somalis.

 

[Inquisitive_]

The bogus 68IQ or even the term "lowIQ" is mentioned more on this forum between Somalis than anywhere else on the internet, we have popularised it ourself.

 

[novanova]

The bogus 68IQ or even the term "lowIQ" is mentioned more on this forum between Somalis than anywhere else on the internet, we have popularised it ourself.

No we didn’t. It was popularized by rightwingers on racist forums lol

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[Kane]

Someone shared it in another thread months ago

Its something they will rinse and repeat quite often, but it really has no scientific or academic merit behind it.

It's also easy disprove it:










Basically a more convincing way of discrediting it then simply calling it racist or scientific racism or the faulty collection methodology.

What i find even more laughable is that when the Somali American school test scores was first made public, white supremacists embarked on a unusual mental gymnastics by claiming that we were "substantially non-Negroid"

Because they couldn't default to their usual explanations of ''Highly selected economic migrants'' the same way they did with other Nigerians and Ghanaian's.


So you should know the facts for yourself but don't bother arguing with them about it because they are this ideologically committed and wired.

No I understand what you’re saying I’m just shocked at the lengths this Arab pseudo intellectual, with the backing of a Saudi state went to humiliate the Somali people. This is exactly why I told you they are worst than the Ethiopians.;;;;

As controversial as it sounds, I don’t think it’s entirely wrong. Some of the slowest people I’ve ever come across were other Somalis

Naaah bro we are going through our century of humiliation, it’s literally Somali maryooley against the word. If it were any other people they would be fully submitted by now, the fact that we are still around and kicking is a testament to our strength.

Hold your head up brother we are almost out.

 

[Rayaale]

Saudi state went to humiliate the Somali people

Arabs are not your friends, they’ll be the first to stab you in the back but gullible Somalis will not get it, muh ummah .

 

[Inquisitive_]

No we didn’t. It was popularized by rightwingers on racist forums lol

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We are the ones keeping this slur alive, not a day goes past without someone on this forum accusing another Somali of 68IQ.

I know a lot of the right wing accounts, it's very rare for them to use it slur, so rare I haven't seen it for a long time, but I see it on this forum every other day.

 

[Som]

I kindly advise any Somali to stop talking about this , the more you talk about it (even to disprove it) the more visibility you give to this BS racial science.

 

[Kane]

The best way to put it to bed is to stop brining it up every day.

But it’s not just banter it’s in academic works now thanks to the effort of a hairy monkey, I wonder if there is a way we can sue him.

I hate that Arabs see us as easy pray, I wish we were as ruthless to outsiders as their masters, the juice.

Arabs are not your friends, they’ll be the first to stab you in the back but gullible Somalis will not get it, muh ummah .

absolutely, but like me people I though this myth was made by a white racist when indeed it was a hairy monkey who probably got access to refugees in the name of Islam.

 

[Idilinaa]

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@Inquisitive_ If you’ve noticed, the posters on this site who use that as a slur or to disparage other Somalis are the same disgruntled losers carrying deep resentment toward the wider Somali collective.

Instead of genuinely trying to understand the community they’re part of, they cling to bad preconceptions, right-wing talking points, and cherry-picked headlines or just outright lie and misrepresent things to paint Somalis in a negative light.

How is it that I have access to the same tools and sources as you, yet I can find real, balanced information , even go out of my way to talk to people , and come back with a much fuller picture of Somali innovation, resilience, and progress?

Bottom line, you can’t humiliate a group of people with some made-up “68 IQ” narrative when those same people are filling universities, building careers, and creating one of the most dynamic, self-sustaining economies in Africa.

No I understand what you’re saying I’m just shocked at the lengths this Arab pseudo intellectual, with the backing of a Saudi state went to humiliate the Somali people. This is exactly why I told you they are worst than the Ethiopians.;;;;

The Saudi leadership are not allies of the Muslim ummah , let alone Somalis. They’ve actively contributed to the destabilization of Muslim countries, exported extremist ideology, bombed Yemen, committed serious human rights abuses, and cozy up to right-wing Republicans who openly express anti-Muslim rhetoric.

Let’s be real, their economy is entirely dependent on Western (mostly white and Jewish) demand, and despite their oil wealth, they’ve squandered it on vanity projects rather than investing meaningfully in human capital or building a sustainable future for their own people.

Gulf Arab leaders, in general, don’t even prioritize their own citizens , why would they care about Somalis?

Meanwhile, Somalia, despite its challenges, is working toward building a self-sustaining economy that spans multiple sectors. The Saudi economy, on the other hand, is a ticking time bomb, held together by oil and image management.

Naaah bro we are going through our century of humiliation, it’s literally Somali maryooley against the word. If it were any other people they would be fully submitted by now, the fact that we are still around and kicking is a testament to our strength.

Hold your head up brother we are almost out.

The IQ thing is just recycled nonsense they’ve been pushing about Middle Easterners and Africans for decades. Those same people , like Richard Lynn claimed Yemenis have an IQ of 68 and Ethiopians/Kenyans 63.

So no, it’s not even specific to Somalis. White supremacists don’t single us out , they lump everyone who isn’t them into the same ignorant worldview.

But honestly, I don’t even care to disprove some pseudoscientific IQ chart. What matters to me is what’s actually happening on the ground , and if you look around, Somalis have made massive strides in educational attainment.

Just look at the number of university graduates this year alone. It's all over social media:


There is no "century of humiliation." How could there be when we continue to uplift ourselves and each other every day? We don’t feel degraded , we’re building, growing, and thriving. That's the real story.