The Sharif of Mecca seeking support from Somali Sultans & Sheikhs for the Arab Revolt
- Thread starter Emir of Zayla
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Did they give them help?
Hussein bin Ali was an idiot and is the reason why Palestinians are in the situation they are in today he got outplayed so hard by the British diplomats and American oil men
Vacelere
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They let Ibn Saud finish him after he discover he was tricked
Ibn saud then signed a deal with an American corporation called the California standard oil company which is now known as Aramco the most valuable company in the worldThey let Ibn Saud finish him after he discover he was tricked
Hussein honestly had it coming. Dude was super arrogant and entitled. Making all sorts of wild demands of the cadaan colonial powers like he didn't realize he was basically a client monarch. Ibn Saud was a lot wiser and understood that Arab rulers like him were nowhere near on the same playing field as the world powers that were now carving up the Ottomans. Kept his head down and didn't even invade the Hejaz until he was absolutely sure they were fine with him doing so. Ya gotta know when you're the power of the day and when you're not.
Interesting I heard he was a Zionist or was at least sympathetic to there cause is that true ?
Not as far as I know. I'm more knowledgeable about Ibn Saud, but I do know that Hussein's grand ambition was to be King of All the Arabs, including those in the Levant and basically unite the Levant, Iraq and the Peninsula at least into one state.
Certainly would not have supported the establishment of Israel within the territory he felt so deeply entitled to. Maybe at best just allow the Jews to come settle within his realm and under his protection but no Israel. Plus, a guy trying to be King of all Arabs is not going to support ethnic cleansing Arabs out of the Holy Land.
Wait Aramco isnt saudi ?
Mohamedamiin120
Marxist-Leninist, OG.
It used to be called the "American-Arabian Oil Company" until they realized that's bad looks and changed it in the 50s. It used to be 50% controlled by Texeco, Standard Oil of New Jersey (later known as Exxon) controlled 10%, Socony Vaccum (later known as Mobil) controlled 10%.
In recent times of course the Saudis have bought off most of this, and now the company is majority ran by the Saudi Gov (and most of the rest is ran by members of the royal family).
I never knew any of this stuff until very recently, Saudi has some skeletons in the closet! They also used to arrest ppl in the 20s/30s on behalf of England who were rebels from neighboring countries, they also (on behalf of England) went to war against the Ikhwan (who did most of the heavy lifting conquering Arabia for them), if it was not for Saudi betrayal of their own tribal militias Jordan would have likely fallen to Wahabiyyah (they went to 9 miles south of Amman LMFAO)
Mohamedamiin120
Marxist-Leninist, OG.
He signed a treaty with the World Zionist Organization, if he had controlled Palestine he 100% would have sold out the Palestinians.
Seems par for the course with him. What a delusional kalb. Wants to be King of All the Arabs and then sells Falastiin. The sheer delusion and entitlement is insane but, again, very him. Wish Ibn Saud had caught him and strangled the life out of him.
Idilinaa
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Sultan Osman and Kenadiid were playing a similar strategic alliance game with world powers as Ibn Saud and Oman did aligning where it benefited them while trying to maintain their own sovereignty. They most likely would have continued to the present in the same manner, but the unraveling came when they were directly pressured to help in the fight against the Darawish, or to allow their territories to be used for that purpose and both refused. They also rejected efforts to force them into relinquishing their military autonomy.
Their geopolitical location placed them right in the middle of colonial competition over the Horn of Africa and the Red Sea. That, more than anything, made them vulnerable.
Unlike Kenadid’s conquest of Hobyo, Ibn Saud’s early base before the capture of the Hejaz was deeply rural and tribal, lacking any real state infrastructure. His survival at the time was heavily dependent on British support and subsidies. His Ikhwan movement later even became unmanageable. Kenadid, by contrast, had been Nai’b (governor) of Alula within the Majerteen state and used that political and military base to branch out and capture Hobyo. From there, he gradually consolidated power through a combination of military campaigns and political alliances, incorporating diverse clans under his administration.
While Oman and Ibn Saud struggled with internal disunity and weak institutions, the Somali rulers had stronger local legitimacy and far more strategic autonomy.
This might help explain why, before the arrival of European colonial powers, Oman was unable to extend influence over that part of the Somali coast and even when they requested to construct a fort in Hafun, they were resoundingly rejected.
Souahhel he is referring to is Swahili in that last sentence. Reading this all now, it becomes clearer to me how Portugal was able to permanently occupy the Swahili coast and even dominate Oman, but failed to do the same in Somalia. Aside from naval bombardments at a distance, they couldn’t establish real control. This suggests that during the medieval period from Zeila all the way to Mogadishu , Somali polities had a remarkable degree of political unity or at least mutual coordination, with far fewer internal rivalries to exploit.
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