Yes I would. I live in the west because I came here as a kid and there is no sharia law country fully. Would you be ok with gaalo ruling every muslim country? You are basically supporting people who want to change Islam. There are people who are working on water down islam like they have with Christianity.
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Yes I would. I live in the west because I came here as a kid and there is no sharia law country fully. Would you be ok with gaalo ruling every muslim country? You are basically supporting people who want to change Islam. There are people who are working on water down islam like they have with Christianity.
1. Islam cannot be water down. Why? Because Allaah swt has cemented the austerity of Islam via Quran/Koran
2. Western countries are tolerant, in the custom of the original Islam tolerance.
3. As u say, there is no muslim country that practices real Shariah law. Whose failing is that?
People are flawed yes. But you are sadly mistaken if you dont think thete are people working on changing Islam and the route is we shouldnt take the words literally. This op is fine om the same city as the gay mareexan imam which leads a mosque. These so called moderates has made women imams and opened several pro gay mosques in Europe already.
Marehaan gay imaam just cracks me uppppp! looooooooooooool
The thought of a marehaan gay imaan, wow, i will bring it up with my husband at dinner tonite, and see if it will ruin his appetite lol
U see in a tolerant old Islamic times, the gays would have been told to not engage in homosexuality. but not killed or harmed.
My problem, is i dont want to see violence or harm done to anyone. No one is God to judge or punish
My problem, is i dont want to see violence or harm done to anyone. No one is God to judge or punish
Thefunny thing is this marexaan had wife and kids and was having his back blown by men lol. You would think even if they support gays, his deceiving and cheating ways would disqualify him on moral grounds. Nope he is a victim and a hero....nacala ku taal bakhtigaas lool
Why do you think that's?
This guy in the vid is probably a Quranist...only accepts the quran and not the hadeeths of the Prophet Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam.
He said he found no evidence at all in the Quran that the apostate should be sentenced to a death penalty. What about the following hadiths in Saheeh Bukhaari and Muslim?
The ruling for the apostate requires an Islamic state to carry out the sentence. It's similar to the death penalty for treason carried or previously carried out by many nations.
And about the fact the state shouldn't be ruled by Islam. What does he do with these ayaats?
Indeed, We sent down the Torah, in which was guidance and light. The prophets who submitted [to Allah ] judged by it for the Jews, as did the rabbis and scholars by that with which they were entrusted of the Scripture of Allah, and they were witnesses thereto. So do not fear the people but fear Me, and do not exchange My verses for a small price. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the disbelievers.( Surah Maidah : ayat 44)
And We ordained for them therein a life for a life, an eye for an eye, a nose for a nose, an ear for an ear, a tooth for a tooth, and for wounds is legal retribution. But whoever gives [up his right as] charity, it is an expiation for him. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the wrongdoers.(Surah Maidah ayat 45)
And let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed therein. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the defiantly disobedient.( Surah Maidah ayat 47)
And We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. To each of you We prescribed a law and a method. Had Allah willed, He would have made you one nation [united in religion], but [He intended] to test you in what He has given you; so race to [all that is] good. To Allah is your return all together, and He will [then] inform you concerning that over which you used to differ. (Surah Maidah ayat 48)
And judge, [O Muhammad], between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations and beware of them, lest they tempt you away from some of what Allah has revealed to you. And if they turn away - then know that Allah only intends to afflict them with some of their [own] sins. And indeed, many among the people are defiantly disobedient. (Surah Maidah ayat 49)
Then is it the judgement of [the time of] ignorance they desire? But who is better than Allah in judgement for a people who are certain [in faith].( Surah Maidah ayat 50)
So what does he do with these ayaats? He claims that state and religion is separate then what about the time of the Prophet Sallallahu alayhi wa Salam? It was a state but one that was ruled by the laws that Allah commanded. There is no doubt for any true Muslim that the only rule of law is the law of Allah.
You can't say I'm a Muslim...but I don't believe in the law of Allah.
He said he found no evidence at all in the Quran that the apostate should be sentenced to a death penalty. What about the following hadiths in Saheeh Bukhaari and Muslim?
The ruling for the apostate requires an Islamic state to carry out the sentence. It's similar to the death penalty for treason carried or previously carried out by many nations.
And about the fact the state shouldn't be ruled by Islam. What does he do with these ayaats?
Indeed, We sent down the Torah, in which was guidance and light. The prophets who submitted [to Allah ] judged by it for the Jews, as did the rabbis and scholars by that with which they were entrusted of the Scripture of Allah, and they were witnesses thereto. So do not fear the people but fear Me, and do not exchange My verses for a small price. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the disbelievers.( Surah Maidah : ayat 44)
And We ordained for them therein a life for a life, an eye for an eye, a nose for a nose, an ear for an ear, a tooth for a tooth, and for wounds is legal retribution. But whoever gives [up his right as] charity, it is an expiation for him. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the wrongdoers.(Surah Maidah ayat 45)
And let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed therein. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the defiantly disobedient.( Surah Maidah ayat 47)
And We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. To each of you We prescribed a law and a method. Had Allah willed, He would have made you one nation [united in religion], but [He intended] to test you in what He has given you; so race to [all that is] good. To Allah is your return all together, and He will [then] inform you concerning that over which you used to differ. (Surah Maidah ayat 48)
And judge, [O Muhammad], between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations and beware of them, lest they tempt you away from some of what Allah has revealed to you. And if they turn away - then know that Allah only intends to afflict them with some of their [own] sins. And indeed, many among the people are defiantly disobedient. (Surah Maidah ayat 49)
Then is it the judgement of [the time of] ignorance they desire? But who is better than Allah in judgement for a people who are certain [in faith].( Surah Maidah ayat 50)
So what does he do with these ayaats? He claims that state and religion is separate then what about the time of the Prophet Sallallahu alayhi wa Salam? It was a state but one that was ruled by the laws that Allah commanded. There is no doubt for any true Muslim that the only rule of law is the law of Allah.
You can't say I'm a Muslim...but I don't believe in the law of Allah.
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Exactly bro.
Like you said they want to water down Islam just as Christianity has been. They want to confine it to Friday prayers and Ramadaan.
Basra I know your heart is in the right place...that you love your religion unlike the other gaalos on here.
However, Umar ibn Khattab subhanallah was not a secularist. He ruled by the Quran and the Sunnah...the Shariah of Allah.
His treatment of Jews was based on the Shariah.
Some of you were never taught the deen and it shows.
Islam is not 'just a religion, like others' (how you can even say that I do not understand).
Islam is encompasses every bit of life- whether that's on an individual level or societally.
IF you have a problem with *any* bit of it-e.g its social policies, economic policies or ANYTHING else, your whole Islam is in question and you clearly never understood what 'La ilaha illallah Muhammadur Rasulullah' meant.
This is literally Islam 101 you ignorant faasiqs.
And pls- one of you dimwits didn't really say we shouldn't adopt shareecada bcos it's open to abuse.... bcos obviously man-made laws are more immune to that. Learn about some of the biggest oppressors of history and what religion they followed. Stalin, Mao are good places to start.
Islam is not 'just a religion, like others' (how you can even say that I do not understand).
Islam is encompasses every bit of life- whether that's on an individual level or societally.
IF you have a problem with *any* bit of it-e.g its social policies, economic policies or ANYTHING else, your whole Islam is in question and you clearly never understood what 'La ilaha illallah Muhammadur Rasulullah' meant.
This is literally Islam 101 you ignorant faasiqs.
And pls- one of you dimwits didn't really say we shouldn't adopt shareecada bcos it's open to abuse.... bcos obviously man-made laws are more immune to that. Learn about some of the biggest oppressors of history and what religion they followed. Stalin, Mao are good places to start.
Great post. Any muslim who says they want to live in a socity not ruled by our deen and secularism is better is in hot water with their deen. Either they are ignorant or not true believer
And the tea is 'muslims' who advocate for secularism only become full-blown apostates sooner or later bcos you can only be in such contradiction for so long
Yes....but a lot of them keep it quite and work on the low to change society. In order to get their goal they know its on their interest to claim to still be muslims to have credibility
U r an insane Salafist. your opinions depends on the winds of who is dominating u in the bedroom.
Out of the two of us, you're the one who fell for the gaal ideology of secularism (and probably liberalism and every other -ism out there other than islam) but I'm the insane salafist yeah?
Damn feels like I'm talking to the mi5.
If you believe in the quran and the prophets scw sunnah and follow the asxaaba you are pretty much salafi to. Calling someone salafi is not an insult. Its saying you are following the truth without comprimise
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