No such things Oromo only started their migration up north from the early 16th century.
The ruined stone towns of medieval Somaliland and the empire of Adal (ca. 1415–1577)
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I watched a video on Facebook a couple days beofre this about somebody interviewing this old somali man who spent decades resaerching this and was even educated overseas . He said that all we have are a few stories and no real historical records. Its wild when you consider how large Madunna is that basically no info survived.
I'm sure there are historical records but there are kept among families, libraries in other countries and even just plain buried.
I could definitely see this town being mentioned on historical record kept in unpublished manuscripts and the like. But I think its telling how this oday who is from the region couldn't find any local families after decades of researching this.
yes my freind I confused Turton and Turnbull
" The second of these two nations extends from Burnt Island, or
Bunder Jedid, to Zaila, and is divided into three great tribes, namely,
the Ilaber-Gehajjis, the Haber-Awwal, and the Habert el-Jahlah, {Haber
meaning the sons of), who were the children of Isaakh by three wives,
the said Isaak having crossed over from Hadhramaut some time after his
countrymen had founded the nation to the eastward, and settled at the
town of Meyt, near Burnt Island, where his tomb exists to this day.
Isaakh, finding his influence on the increase, owing to his intermarriage
with a Galla tribe, made a sudden descent upon the neighbourhood of
Berbera, then in the hands of a celebrated Galla chieftain, Sultan
Harireh, and succeeded in obtaining possession of the country as far as
Zaila...The patriarch Isaakh was gathered to his fathers at a very ad
vanced age, and was buried at the town of Meyt, leaving behind him a
name which is respected to this day."
look at how he makes it clear Galla tribe, and Galla chieftain and uses the term Sultan it is undeniable that this sultan Harireh was an oromo and not just a pagan Gaalo.
Turton also cant give us a clear date and he relies on the fact that by the 17th century Oromos were living in the Juba where the Portuguese interviewed and noted, this in no way can be used as a source that oromos didnt preced the somali and just shows the longevity of oromo presence. Turnbull also showcases how by 1650 the oromo were at a decline due to constant pressure by the somalis, and this is also mentioned in the source I cited above that by the 1400s the oromo were pushed back to Burhakaba. All your source tells me is they were living there by the 17th century and the man shows no evidence to show that they were preceded in the area. Turton even makes it clear ''Lobo was one of the first Portuguese to attempt an intensive study of the interior of the East African littoral between Malindi and Brava'' so we can question him again how else would the Portuguese know if they never studied these people and just assumed they were Somali this Lobo actually went and studied the people and found out they were Oromo. Turton even goes on to mention that the Orma had no clue of the Oromo invasions in the north and even points out that these people had arrived in somalia before the Bahreys account of the Zenahu le Galla which is just proving my point even more sxb( page 534). if your own source contradicts each other how can you use it bro.
sxb the point or source you are using here is very confusing. the author uses the Bantu theory to expel oromos out the picture, and in doing so he also disagrees with it but he somehow uses it to back his claim that the Garre lived in this area. he even claims garre were absorbed by Bajuni and claims they expelled the earlier bantu speaking groups which you just made clear is false, so this source your using is very questionable. also there are sources from as early as the 1600's long before bahrey even said the oromos had reached Harar of an Oromo king in Berbera
Ludovico di Varthem who traveled around Asia, Africa, and Europe mentions a Galla sultan Harireh.
" The second of these two nations extends from Burnt Island, or
Bunder Jedid, to Zaila, and is divided into three great tribes, namely,
the Ilaber-Gehajjis, the Haber-Awwal, and the Habert el-Jahlah, {Haber
meaning the sons of), who were the children of Isaakh by three wives,
the said Isaak having crossed over from Hadhramaut some time after his
countrymen had founded the nation to the eastward, and settled at the
town of Meyt, near Burnt Island, where his tomb exists to this day.
Isaakh, finding his influence on the increase, owing to his intermarriage
with a Galla tribe, made a sudden descent upon the neighbourhood of
Berbera, then in the hands of a celebrated Galla chieftain, Sultan
Harireh, and succeeded in obtaining possession of the country as far as
Zaila...The patriarch Isaakh was gathered to his fathers at a very ad
vanced age, and was buried at the town of Meyt, leaving behind him a
name which is respected to this day."
look at how he makes it clear Galla tribe, and Galla chieftain and uses the term Sultan it is undeniable that this sultan Harireh was an oromo and not just a pagan Gaalo.
Turton also cant give us a clear date and he relies on the fact that by the 17th century Oromos were living in the Juba where the Portuguese interviewed and noted, this in no way can be used as a source that oromos didnt preced the somali and just shows the longevity of oromo presence. Turnbull also showcases how by 1650 the oromo were at a decline due to constant pressure by the somalis, and this is also mentioned in the source I cited above that by the 1400s the oromo were pushed back to Burhakaba. All your source tells me is they were living there by the 17th century and the man shows no evidence to show that they were preceded in the area. Turton even makes it clear ''Lobo was one of the first Portuguese to attempt an intensive study of the interior of the East African littoral between Malindi and Brava'' so we can question him again how else would the Portuguese know if they never studied these people and just assumed they were Somali this Lobo actually went and studied the people and found out they were Oromo. Turton even goes on to mention that the Orma had no clue of the Oromo invasions in the north and even points out that these people had arrived in somalia before the Bahreys account of the Zenahu le Galla which is just proving my point even more sxb( page 534). if your own source contradicts each other how can you use it bro.
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