The need to merge Islam and Somalinimo into ethnoreligious identity

[HalimaJ]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ridda_wars
You don't even know that Arabia apostated after the Prophet pbuh.

Abu Bakr ra fought the Arab tribes in a bitter war

Answer the question.

You want to lie and say the Sahabas were Somali.

Not all become apostates. So why lie?

 

[HalimaJ]

@Samaalic Era

What did the prophet S.A.W say about nationalism?

Answer this simple question.

 

[Samaalic Era]

Answer the question.

You want to lie and say the Sahabas were Somali.

Not all become apostates. So why lie?

All of Arabia except Makkah and Madinah and Taif apostated.

I proposed only teaching history upto the life of the Prophet pbuh and then not teach Arab history but rather switch to Somali history. This is not kufr

 

[Samaalic Era]

@Samaalic Era

What did the prophet S.A.W say about nationalism?

Answer this simple question.

Islam and Somalinimo are inseperable. No where does it state in Qur'an or hadith that by being Muslim, one must forfeit the culture except the parts which go against Islam

 

[HalimaJ]

Islam and Somalinimo are inseperable. No where does it state in Qur'an or hadith that by being Muslim, one must forfeit the culture except the parts which go against Islam

I asked what Islam says about Nationalism?

Answer that simple question.

 

[Tukraq]

I asked what Islam says about Nationalism?

Answer that simple question.

nationalism is bad but qabilism is good according to islam what say you?

 

[AdoonkaAlle]

@HalimaJ

walaashay qaaliga ah wilaashan iska dhaaf, waa kuwa wado qaldaan kusocdo. ayaga baa mar dhoow ka shalayn doono ee waqtigada camaal wanaagsan ku isicmaal walaal


Being excessive and espousing extreme views that contradict the deen will only lead to their demise sooner or later. I only hope that they're able to utilise their aql and time to reflect and change for the better. May Allah guide them to that which is better for them

Ameen thumma Ameen

 

[Lum]

@Samaalic Era

What did the prophet S.A.W say about nationalism?

Answer this simple question.

«
So here is the issue that needs to be clarified:Many people use the abbreviation “SAW,” “SAWS,” or “PBUH” to fulfill this obligation in their writing. Is this something that fulfills the obligation of sending the salaah and salaam on the Messenger? Let us look now to some of the statements of the scholars regarding this practice. The Permanent Committee of Scholars in Saudi Arabia headed by ‘Abdul-‘Azeez ibn ‘Abdillaah ibn Baaz issued the following verdict when asked about the validity of abbreviating the salaah on the Prophet (sallallaahu ‘alayhe wa sallam): “The Sunnah is to write the entire phrase “sallallaahu ‘alayhe wa sallam,” since it is a kind of supplication, and supplication is worship, (in one’s writing) just as it is in one’s speech. So to abbreviate it using the letter SAAD or the word SAAD-LAAM-‘AYN-MEEM is not a supplication nor is it worship, whether it occurs in speech or writing. For this reason, this abbreviation was not used by the the first three generations, those that the Prophet (sallallaahu ‘alayhe wa sallam) testified to their goodness.” [8] “SAAD” and “SAAD-LAAM-‘AYN-MEEM” are often used in some Arabic books. The English equivalents of these abbreviations would be: SAW, SAWS, SAAWS, PBUH, and the likes. Al-Fayrooz-Abaadee said, “It is not appropriate to use symbols or abbreviations to refer to salaah and salaam, as some of the lazy ones do, as well as some ignorant people and even some students of knowledge – they write ‘SAAD-LAAM-‘AYN-MEEM’ instead of writing ‘sallallaahu ‘alayhe wa sallam.'” [9] Ahmad Shaakir said, “It is the absurd tradition of some of the later generations that they abbreviate the writing of ‘sallallaahu ‘alayhe wa sallam.'” [10] Wasee Allaah ‘Abbaas said, “It is not permissible to abbreviate the salaams in general in one’s writing, just as it is not permissible to abbreviate the salaah and salaam on the Prophet (sallallaahu ‘alayhe wa sallam). It is also not permissible to abbreviate either of these in one’s speech.” [11] And Allaah knows best. May the most perfect and complete salaah and salaam be upon our beloved Messenger, and upon his noble family and companions.»
FOOTNOTES [1]
written by Moosaa Richardson

 

[Libaaxseendheer]

I like where your mind is at, but the truth will suffice . One word
>ASMAR<

@Samaalic Era

 

[4head]

So I won't be considered as a somali if i'm not muslim?

 

[Samaalic Era]

So I won't be considered as a somali if i'm not muslim?

This is more of keeping our faith and cultural identity at the same time. It won't be how it is now. A Somali would be proud of being a Muslim and Somali. Somali children would grow up looking upto Somali figures, use a Somali writing script and a Somali calendar. The Arab element would be removed and in fact once installed in govt,have a hostile foreign policy

 

[Samaalic Era]

I like where your mind is at, but the truth will suffice . One word
>ASMAR<

@Samaalic Era

That or removing the current Arabs who seek to use this history to control us.
The Prophet pbuh said that War is deception

 

[Libaaxseendheer]

That or removing the current Arabs who seek to use this history to control us.
The Prophet pbuh said that War is deception

Remove them how?

 

[Samaalic Era]

Remove them how?

We would have to start off with Yemen first, and before that with the island of Socotra. We need to keep the country in a state of anarchy and war so the population can drop and wait out it until we are militarily and politically ready to enter Yemen. Then over a period of 50 years, we can have demographic shift towards Af Somali and a Somali population in Yemen.

It's not easy, but great things throughout history are always difficult

 

[Timo Jareer and proud]

At that point just convert to Waaqeffana. That is not Islam in the slightest.

 

[Samaalic Era]

At that point just convert to Waaqeffana. That is not Islam in the slightest.

I literally made it clear that no law or practice would be changed, just the historical narrative

 

[Timo Jareer and proud]

I literally made it clear that no law or practice would be changed, just the historical narrative

Lying in Islam is forbidden and is a sin. Changing Islam even in the slightest matter is a grave sin to Allah swt.

 

[Exodus]

I support this 100% @Samaalic Era.

People forget that a large number of people support Al Shaabab due to Somalis lapping up the Salafist/Wahabbi ideology that was spread by the Saudis that is inherently Pro-Arab. By fabricating Islamic history and creating our own branch of Sunni Islam that is revolved around Somalinimo, there will fewer people supporting Shabaab.

Then, the Arab jecel in Somalia needs to be eradicated, first with displaying evidence of Arabs arming and funding Al-Shabaab (which they do) all over Somalia, then when the vitriol is at it's highest, we spread our new Branch of Islam to the people as an alternative to the Salafi/Wahabbi cancer.

 

[P4$t0]

I support this 100% @Samaalic Era.

People forget that a large number of people support Al Shaabab due to Somalis lapping up the Salafist/Wahabbi ideology that was spread by the Saudis that is inherently Pro-Arab. By fabricating Islamic history and creating our own branch of Sunni Islam that is revolved around Somalinimo, there will fewer people supporting Shabaab.

Then, the Arab jecel in Somalia needs to be eradicated, first with displaying evidence of Arabs arming and funding Al-Shabaab (which they do) all over Somalia, then when the vitriol is at it's highest, we spread our new Branch of Islam to the people as an alternative to the Salafi/Wahabbi cancer.

 

[Exodus]

You're a generous geeljire, so I'll let you off this time