The need to merge Islam and Somalinimo into ethnoreligious identity

[Samaalic Era]

This merger will preserve Somalinimo while routing out the Arab scourge erroding our identity and language. We must even lie and alter early Islamic history and make sure that our conversion story is directly from the Prophet pbuh and not through the Sahaba. We must invent a story about the Somali language and its purity as well as establish,modify and Islamify Xeer to be Second after the Qur'an.
also we must invent Somali saints dating back to the Prophet pbuh and teach about them instead of the Caliphate as the true heirs of the Prophet and thus establish a new school of thought that is separate from Arabia and is Somali and then spread it to the world.

This is the only path left. Every nation has its own dirty secrets that must remain hidden

 

[AIOPZ]

This merger will preserve Somalinimo while routing out the Arab scourge erroding our identity and language. We must even lie and alter early Islamic history and make sure that our conversion story is directly from the Prophet pbuh and not through the Sahaba. We must invent a story about the Somali language and its purity as well as establish,modify and Islamify Xeer to be Second after the Qur'an.
also we must invent Somali saints dating back to the Prophet pbuh and teach about them instead of the Caliphate as the true heirs of the Prophet and thus establish a new school of thought that is separate from Arabia and is Somali and then spread it to the world.

This is the only path left. Every nation has its own dirty secrets that must remain hidden

In the name of Allah, the Most Kind and the Most Merciful, get this faraax some help.

 

[Samaalic Era]

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In the name of Allah, the Most Kind and the Most Merciful, get this faraax some help.

I think your misunderstanding my point. Islam,the Qur'an and the tenets as well as all the Laws will be as it is. Im merely saying we must change the history and story

 

[madaxweyne]

i think what going on is the rise of salafism which is actually just arab supremecy disguised as islam invented by abdulwahab and the british to oust the ottoman khilafa turks, they played on the race card to procalaim the arabs as true hier to islam, it was facilitateated by their british white supremecist allies

becosue of salafiyah many imamas and madhabs where rejected in favour of the salaf or the time when thier where only arab muslims, they merged arabnationalism with islma misinterpreted many ayahs to commform to their desgusting nationalist beliefs


we somalis where where followers of the shafiiyah sunnah and some where sufis before the rise fo extremeist arab wahabi salafis like alshabab

 

[A_A]

I’m confused, isn’t this low key bidah?

 

[Samaalic Era]

i think what going on is the rise of salafism which is actually just arab supremecy disguised as islam invented by abdulwahab and the british to oust the ottoman khilafa turks, they played on the race card to procalaim the arabs as true hier to islam, it was facilitateated by their british white supremecist allies

becosue of salafiyah many imamas and madhabs where rejected in favour of the salaf or the time when thier where only arab muslims, they merged arabnationalism with islma misinterpreted many ayahs to commform to their desgusting nationalist beliefs


we somalis where where followers of the shafiiyah sunnah and some where sufis before the rise fo extremeist arab wahabi salafis like alshabab

The current trend with salafism will overtake us unless we become independant Deen wise. Somalis back home are sheep who love Arabs and are ready to throw out our dhaqan and history

 

[Samaalic Era]

I’m confused, isn’t this low key bidah?

The Islamic laws and principles will remain exactly the same. Its the narrative that will be switched from being focused on Arabs and Arabic, to Somalis and Af Somali

 

[Cauli]

@Samaalic Era

You're right.

 

[AIOPZ]

I think your misunderstanding my point. Islam,the Qur'an and the tenets as well as all the Laws will be as it is. Im merely saying we must change the history and story

No, you're suggesting that we ignore the influence of the Companions of the Prophet (SAW) and deny the true successor of the ummah after Muhammad (PBUH)--which was Abu Bakr (RA), and add saints (people pray to saints, automatically shirk). Yikes. Why can't we worship our diin in peace? How does that make us any less Somali? We don't have to corrupt our diin just to sustain our dhaqan.

 

[Samaalic Era]

No, you're suggesting that we ignore the influence of the Companions of the Prophet (SAW) and deny the true successor of the ummah after Muhammad (PBUH)--which was Abu Bakr (RA), and add saints (people pray to saints, automatically shirk). Yikes. Why can't we worship our diin in peace? How does that make us any less Somali? We don't have to corrupt our diin just to sustain our dhaqan.

By saints I mean Somali religious figures. Nothing to do with shirk. The stories of the companions is not among the requirements of Jannah. The stories that matter are those of the Anbiya and Awliya mentioned by the Qur'an.

 

[madaxweyne]

No, you're suggesting that we ignore the influence of the Companions of the Prophet (SAW) and deny the true successor of the ummah after Muhammad (PBUH)--which was Abu Bakr (RA), and add saints (people pray to saints, automatically shirk). Yikes. Why can't we worship our diin in peace? How does that make us any less Somali? We don't have to corrupt our diin just to sustain our dhaqan.

We don't follow the sahaba that's a salafi lie and abu bakr and the four caliphs are no longer with us

We don't follow the sahaba you brainwashed kid .

We follow the sunnah and the hadith and take in the accounts and judgments of all the scholars who have contributed to the teachings of Islam may Allah reward them

We want to return to the ahlul sunnah and he shafiiyah that we followed and keep our Somali identity and culture and we will rule by ourselves like we all ways have

 

[bluebird]

islam shouldnt be seen as a cultural tool or a means to preserve the culture because then the whole purpose of Islam is going over your head. Islam is the means through which we submit ourselves to our creator whether you are Somali or Arab or Chinese doesn’t matter. all these things will go away at the end of the day anyway. All this stuff is unnecessary. The best way to preserve Somali culture is to speak the language and through books, historical and preservation of poetry, stories etc as well as grammatical and other educational books.

 

[Samaalic Era]

islam shouldnt be seen as a cultural tool or a means to preserve the culture because then the whole purpose of Islam is going over your head. Islam is the means through which we submit ourselves to our creator whether you are Somali or Arab or Chinese doesn’t matter. all these things will go away at the end of the day anyway. All this stuff is unnecessary. The best way to preserve Somali culture is to speak the language and through books, historical and preservation of poetry, stories etc as well as grammatical and other educational books.

That would work if we were not next door to Arabia. Also your underestimating Arabism. Do Somalis back home think like what you mentioned?

Im in Somalia now and the Arab Jecel is sickening

 

[AIOPZ]

By saints I mean Somali religious figures. Nothing to do with shirk. The stories of the companions is not among the requirements of Jannah. The stories that matter are those of the Anbiya and Awliya mentioned by the Qur'an.

Following the hadiths or performing sunnah is a very, very important part of Islam. Without that, how would you know how to pray? The way you should pray isn't mentioned in the Qu'ran--only in the hadiths; we perform that along with a whole host of other things as Muslims. It is our Prophet (PBUH) who carries out the commands and prohibitions of Allah in the best way and who serves as an example. We should follow him in order to carry out the commands and prohibitions of Allah. Ignoring the hadiths is choosing not to follow the way of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).

 

[3leven11]

Isn't that Sufism?

 

[madaxweyne]

By saints I mean Somali religious figures. Nothing to do with shirk. The stories of the companions is not among the requirements of Jannah. The stories that matter are those of the Anbiya and Awliya mentioned by the Qur'an.

Yes we do follow the teachings of shiekh yusuf ibn all kawneyn he gave us the wadad writing script

Did you know he spreaded Islam to Maldives and Sri Lanka their is even a shrine in Somalia for him

Their is a mosque built by him in Sri Lanka


His shrine in somalia protected by the cidagala tribe

This is the mosque he built in Sri Lanka

 

[AIOPZ]

Im in Somalia now and the Arab Jecel is sickening

Just curious here, what exactly are Somalis doing back home that comes across as "Arab Jecel"?

 

[Kodeen]

Nationalism is one hell of a drug. Stay off it kids.

Memes are gateway drug to radicalizing our children, that's why I am pro Article 13.

 

[Kodeen]

We don't follow the sahaba that's a salafi lie and abu bakr and the four caliphs are no longer with us

We don't follow the sahaba you brainwashed kid .

We follow the sunnah and the hadith and take in the accounts and judgments of all the scholars who have contributed to the teachings of Islam may Allah reward them

We want to return to the ahlul sunnah and he shafiiyah that we followed and keep our Somali identity and culture and we will rule by ourselves like we all ways have

You are actually so far gone wallahi. Nacala, remove your location

 

[Samaalic Era]

Following the hadiths or performing sunnah is a very, very important part of Islam. Without that, how would you know how to pray? The way you should pray isn't mentioned in the Qu'ran--only in the hadiths; we perform that along with a whole host of other things as Muslims. It is our Prophet (PBUH) who carries out the commands and prohibitions of Allah in the best way and who serves as an example. We should follow him in order to carry out the commands and prohibitions of Allah. Ignoring the hadiths is choosing not to follow the way of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).

We take the necessities without attributing it to Arabs. Instead of saying Sahih bukhari for instance,we could attribute it to a Somali figure and we as a nation will no longer idolise foreigners but only Somali figures and be proud of our Identity.