The mystery of punt deepens.

[Midas]

What inspired to me begin taking this idea of a deeper ancient eygptian and somali connection seriously. Was that one video I saw on Twitter of an old eygptian folk song. That began with the line "waxa waayey waxa waayey" I got chills when i saw that video. How was it possible for something like waxa which is one of the most basic grammatical constructions in somali to be used in an pre-islamic coptic eygptian folk song.

It would be like finding the word "the" in a medieval arabic poem pronounced in exactly the same way it is English

 

[Midas]

What inspired to me begin taking this idea of a deeper ancient eygptian and somali connection seriously. Was that one video I saw on Twitter of an old eygptian folk song. That began with the line "waxa waayey waxa waayey" I got chills when i saw that video. How was it possible for something like waxa which is one of the most basic grammatical constructions in somali to be used in an pre-islamic coptic eygptian folk song.

It would be like finding the word "the" in a medieval arabic poem pronounced in exactly the same way it is English

Its actually more extreme than this because focus particles heavy lanaguges with are called topic-prominent in lingustics are extremely rare thing in a language and the only languges in cushitic that have them besides somali are the somaloid lanaguges of rendille and darbarre.

 

[Emir of Zayla]

According to ancient egyptians, there were some Puntites who “invaded” (migration?) the Nile Valley from the East or Southeast and settled in Qena, Egypt. Interestingly enough, the ancient Egyptian goddess Hathor known for being the “Mistress of Punt” had its largest temple near the city

 

[Midas]

According to ancient egyptians, there were some Puntites who “invaded” (migration?) the Nile Valley from the East or Southeast and settled in Qena, Egypt. Interestingly enough, the ancient Egyptian goddess Hathor known for being the “Mistress of Punt” had its largest temple near the cityView attachment 370002

She also has horns just like the zebu cattle.

She is also seen as "the mother of pharaohs" and is connected with kingship.

 

[abdullahiabdilfath]

why do somalis think they are all e-v32 when if you look at the sights that track it, less than 70 people have been tested and from that not even all of them are e-v32

 

[Riftvalley]

Interesting stuff lad

 

[NidarNidar]

Also the zebu horned cattle of the indus valley which was supposed "domesticated" between 7-6 thousand years ago is likely actually from somalia. Since we have the lass geel horned cattle paintings which date at the latest from 3500 b.c (and are likely older) . Since why would these indian horned zebh cattle only appear several millenia after the mespotomian and Iranian hornless cattle.

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The zebu originates from India, arriving in the Horn between 300-1000 BCE, though it was bred with other cows, originally it was susceptible to the tsetse fly, but has good heat resistance. It arrived in Egypt via Mesopotamia around 4,000 BCE.

 

[Midas]

The zebu originates from India, arriving in the Horn between 300-1000 BCE, though it was bred with other cows, originally it was susceptible to the tsetse fly, but has good heat resistance. It arrived in Egypt via Mesopotamia around 4,000 BCE.

I got this from a friend their are apparently middle stone age sites around dire dawa with the remains of huge quantities of fauna including gazelle and the African buffalo. I think it was us sxb.

 

[Midas]

Looking at eygptian mythology it seems like the oldest layers suggest that the very first predynastic eygptiann were likely more monoethestic. Since there seems to be a distinction between the earliest "creators gods" vs the "pharaoh gods"

It might be possible that the ancestor reverence we still see in somalia for clan founders was transformed into full blown ancestor worship in eygpt. But they still recognized there was " supreme creator gods" who were distinct from "pharaoh gods" who it seems like were originally human

 

[Midas]

It seems that lower eygptian hunter gatherers who lived in the qaurnian lake right next to the fayyum 8,000 years ago ( so around 5000 b.c) had skulls that were the most similar to the wadi halfa skulls and modern african pouplations.

 

[Midas]

Also Im beginning to think that the presence of these berberoid phenotype skulls were likely due to th eef-mixed farmers finally arriving in eygpt after they had touched down in morcco around 5000 b.c.

 

[Midas]

Now I'm actually curious when proto-somalis arrived in the horn of africa? Considering that the we likely domesticated these horned cattle millenia before we domesticated the donkey. That easily puts us at about 10,000 years. Considering that the African humid period only started to begin between 14-12,000 years and before that it was a desert even harsher than today. our west eurasian ancestry which makes up 40% of our dna might actually date back to before the last glacial maxium period which only started to ended around 14,000 years ago.

This would also match something I vaguely remember @Shimbiris mentioning once about how upper Paleolithic phenotypes in western europe were very different from earlier periods.

 

[Midas]

Also what does the origin of the Afro-asiatic langauge family look like if my theory is actually correct? Eygptian as a distinct lanaguge wouldn't make sense in that context. One possible clue might be looking at the word for I in the lanaguges to see what they look like.

When i did that I noticed a very interesting pattern all the difference cushtic and semetic languages basically share the word for I . Its all some variation of aniga/ani/ane . But berber which we know has no connection to cushtic uses neki

I also think its possible that this suggest that its not just arabic/ethiosemetic/south arabian which are orginally cushtic but all the semetic languages are and its just a matter of when they made contact with languges like sumerian. In fact I think you could look at it as a sort of cline. With ethiosemetic having the largest cushitic substratum and lanaguges like aramaic/hebrew having the least to the point its not detectable anymore. For comparison here's the words for I in Indo-European languages.

 

[NidarNidar]

Also what does the origin of the Afro-asiatic langauge family look like if my theory is actually correct? Eygptian as a distinct lanaguge wouldn't make sense in that context. One possible clue might be looking at the word for I in the lanaguges to see what they look like.

When i did that I noticed a very interesting pattern all the difference cushtic and semetic languages basically share the word for I . Its all some variation of aniga/ani/ane . But berber which we know has no connection to cushtic uses neki
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I also think its possible that this suggest that its not just arabic/ethiosemetic/south arabian which are orginally cushtic but all the semetic languages are and its just a matter of when they made contact with languges like sumerian. In fact I think you could look at it as a sort of cline. With ethiosemetic having the largest cushitic substratum and lanaguges like aramaic/hebrew having the least to the point its not detectable anymore. For comparison here's the words for I in Indo-European languages.

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I did a bit of research in Proto Afroasiatic, from what I gathered, Proto‑Afroasiatic is estimated to have been spoken as early as --16,000 BC (18,000 BP) to as late as -- 6,000 BC (8,000 BP), with many scholars favouring dates between 16,000–10,000 BC.

Period	Haplogroup E-M35 Timeline	Proto-Afroasiatic Timeline
35,000 BP	E‑M215 → E‑M35 origins	—
25,000 BP	Emergence of subclades (e.g., E‑Z827)	—
18,000–16,000 BP	—	Proto‑Afroasiatic begins to diverge
10,000–8,000 BP	Further spread of E‑M35 subclades	Divergence into branches is likely complete
3,000 BC onward	Written attestations appear	Some branches (Egyptian, Semitic) documented

Keep in mind the Sinai gene flow goes both ways, by 15,000 ybp E-M78 men had about 45-50% Basal Eurasian ancestry maternally.

homeland of Proto‑Afroasiatic is somewhere in North East Africa.

 

[Midas]

I did a bit of research in Proto Afroasiatic, from what I gathered, Proto‑Afroasiatic is estimated to have been spoken as early as --16,000 BC (18,000 BP) to as late as -- 6,000 BC (8,000 BP), with many scholars favouring dates between 16,000–10,000 BC.

Period	Haplogroup E-M35 Timeline	Proto-Afroasiatic Timeline
35,000 BP	E‑M215 → E‑M35 origins	—
25,000 BP	Emergence of subclades (e.g., E‑Z827)	—
18,000–16,000 BP	—	Proto‑Afroasiatic begins to diverge
10,000–8,000 BP	Further spread of E‑M35 subclades	Divergence into branches is likely complete
3,000 BC onward	Written attestations appear	Some branches (Egyptian, Semitic) documented

Keep in mind the Sinai gene flow goes both ways, by 15,000 ybp E-M78 men had about 45-50% Basal Eurasian ancestry maternally.

homeland of Proto‑Afroasiatic is somewhere in North East Africa.

I suspect its even older than this. Keep in mind that the arabian penisula and the Sinai penisula between the last glacial maxium and around 14 thousand years ago was essentially uncrossable. The evidence we have for this is the fact that skulls as recent as 8 thosuand years ago in the qarun lake right next to the fayyum oasis had the same morphology as nilo sahran and other modern african pouplations. If there were hunter gathers with nilosahran skull morphology 7,000 years after the presence of naftufians then its likley nobody was crossing the Sinai penisula back then.

Also keep in mind in this pre-agriculutal world where dealing with pouplations of a few hundred people at most. Some of these groups were likely only made up of dozens of people.

 

[NordicSomali]

U think the Egyptian-Somali ancient connection is overrated. It’s a long distance. The Egyptians could’ve traded with much closer African regions like Eritrea or Sudan for whatever they wanted.

 

[Midas]

U think the Egyptian-Somali ancient connection is overrated. It’s a long distance. The Egyptians could’ve traded with much closer African regions like Eritrea or Sudan for whatever they wanted.

Do you mean you think that ? Becuase I obviously dont this whole thread was about proving that connection. In fact everything lines up so perfectly that anybody who reads about all the connections would have to be legitimately insane to deny it.

 

[Midas]

These headrests are basically only found in one of 3 places. In ancient eygptian tombs or in somalia or ancient kerma . I've tried to find other examples of these kinds of headrests but everything eventually turns out be either ancient eygptian or somali.

What are the odds of that even being possible ? If there wasn't a direct connection

 

[cunug3aad]

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These headrests are basically only found in one of 3 places. In ancient eygptian tombs or in somalia or ancient kerma . I've tried to find other examples of these kinds of headrests but everything eventually turns out be either ancient eygptian or somali.

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What are the odds of that even being possible ? If there wasn't a direct connection

Allaaaaahhh barkin?? Wuu dhamaadey

 

[Midas]

Allaaaaahhh barkin?? Wuu dhamaadey

What's crazier is this .

I have noticed these strange hair cuts usually on children in old Somali photos. Shaven either in the middle of the head or the sides.

Does anyone know if they had any significance ?

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This exact thing existed in anicent eygpt and was eventually seen as a sign of being a true descendants of osiris