The lack of an army is the number 1 political problem in Somalia

[arawelo]

I'm generally against compulsory military service here in the west but it can be very useful in Somalia. I think military service will also bring together somalis from different parts of the country and from different clans. Serving together in the military can create a strong bond, before the 77 war the somali military was kinda of a clan on it's own, soldiers were loyal to the army and not their qabil

I’m against military service in the west too but in makes so much sense for our county. its the perfect remedy for all our problems at once. Military service and form a sort of brotherhood between men of all clans. We once had the strongest army in East Africa, it won’t be hard to get that title back. I think about this daily because I’m interested in army itself. I think my favorite is naval army. But before we can reach that level we need to focus on ground army. I do hope I can work with this in the future. Imagine the benefits this could have for generations upcoming.

 

[SomaliSteel]

The Somali military was a glorified street gang to keep a dictator in power. Any so called military's would be loyal to who gives them cash rather than the nation it self. We have to stabilize salaries for gov't workers and militaries for first.

 

[Lord]

Security is the nr 1 priority in any nation. Anyone who says otherwise is a fool

 

[Som]

Security is the nr 1 priority in any nation. Anyone who says otherwise is a fool

Of course. And how can we get security if we have no proper army and police forces?

 

[QueenofKings]

This discussion hasn’t detailed into fkd madness.

 

[The Inquisitive]

Not at all, he did some good and some bad. The ones who toppled Siad destroyed the country.
We lost any honor and became a failed state in 1991

Not to mention the fact that the 91' traitors were sponsored and armed by Ethiopia and kenya etc... even Ethiopian air force helped SNM, shame wallahi.

 

[Ferrari]

No bro, federalizing the army can be counterproductive. You would have states fighting other states for qabil reasons. This type of thing is what Ethiopia is experiencing with the Tigray militias fighting the central government.
We need to have one army but different branches for example army, airforce, police, military soldiers who do the same job as thd Police etc etc. With this system no branch will be powerful enough to stage a coup

one army and hand it to one man? that's crazy! Every single somali president has misused the "army" for his own gain. How do you remedy that? because if you can, of course one army for the whole country.

msb used the army to bomb the north, and kill and jail all somalis who weren't his clan.
HSM used it to attack kismaayo and gaalkacayo because of qabiil.
farmaajo is doing the same thing now, he refused to secure xamar, but deployed all the soldiers and the equipment to defend his clan. He also uses the SNA to arrest, assasinate and intimidate his opponents. How can we have one army when Somali leaders cannot be trusted to be fair with the army and not use it as a tool to abuse their opponents?

I say each maamul goboled get their own army, and on top of that the federal government gets no more than 30k soldiers under its direct control. member states should have the same number under their control. until there's a true and genuine reconciliation in somalia, member states must be able protect themselves from criminal presidents sitting in xamar, and the only way to do that is to federalize the army.

 

[Ferrari]

Not to mention the fact that the 91' traitors were sponsored and armed by Ethiopia and kenya etc... even Ethiopian air force helped SNM, shame wallahi.

Ethiopia helped farmaao install his puppet in SWS and galmudug. ain't nobody falling for yall's fake nationalism. siilki awoowyadiin baad la aadaysaan taa adeer.

 

[Som]

one army and hand it to one man? that's crazy! Every single somali president has misused the "army" for his own gain. How do you remedy that? because if you can, of course one army for the whole country.

msb used the army to bomb the north, and kill and jail all somalis who weren't his clan.
HSM used it to attack kismaayo and gaalkacayo because of qabiil.
farmaajo is doing the same thing now, he refused to secure xamar, but deployed all the soldiers and the equipment to defend his clan. He also uses the SNA to arrest, assasinate and intimidate his opponents. How can we have one army when Somali leaders cannot be trusted to be fair with the army and not use it as a tool to abuse their opponents?

I say each maamul goboled get their own army, and on top of that the federal government gets no more than 30k soldiers under its direction control. member states should have the same number under their control.

Most Federal countries have a unified army and maybe some regional armies thats still have to answer to the national army.
I would be fine with having something like an american style national guard for federal states but not separate armies. Immagine what would happen, PL fighting Galmudug army over Galkacyo or some shit like that.
We can solve the problem by having a strong constitution were only the federal parliament can authorise wars and big military operations. Also if you have different branches you can have different generals who actually have the power while the president would be the commander in chief but still has to act according to what parliament says

 

[The Inquisitive]

one army and hand it to one man? that's crazy! Every single somali president has misused the "army" for his own gain. How do you remedy that? because if you can, of course one army for the whole country.

msb used the army to bomb the north, and kill and jail all somalis who weren't his clan.
HSM used it to attack kismaayo and gaalkacayo because of qabiil.
farmaajo is doing the same thing now, he refused to secure xamar, but deployed all the soldiers and the equipment to defend his clan. He also uses the SNA to arrest, assasinate and intimidate his opponents. How can we have one army when Somali leaders cannot be trusted to be fair with the army and not use it as a tool to abuse their opponents?

I say each maamul goboled get their own army, and on top of that the federal government gets no more than 30k soldiers under its direction control. member states should have the same number under their control.

Idk what you mean by Farmaajo using SNA to defend his clan but if you talking about him deploying SNA troops into Gedo he's right to do so because the SNA is constitutionally mandated to protect the country's sovereignty. I don't see Farmaajo using the SNA to intimidate the opposition, although the opposition made incendiary remarks invoking 91 events they're alive and well.

 

[Ferrari]

Idk what you mean by Farmaajo using SNA to defend his clan but if you talking about him deploying SNA troops into Gedo he's right to do so because the SNA is constitutionally mandated to protect the country's sovereignty. I don't see Farmaajo using the SNA to intimidate the opposition, although the opposition made incendiary remarks invoking 91 events they're alive and well.

I thought you were gonna say that.
so he can defend Somalia against kenya but can't secure xamar? explain why.

 

[Mujahid Nur Marehan]

one army and hand it to one man? that's crazy! Every single somali president has misused the "army" for his own gain. How do you remedy that? because if you can, of course one army for the whole country.

msb used the army to bomb the north, and kill and jail all somalis who weren't his clan.
HSM used it to attack kismaayo and gaalkacayo because of qabiil.
farmaajo is doing the same thing now, he refused to secure xamar, but deployed all the soldiers and the equipment to defend his clan. He also uses the SNA to arrest, assasinate and intimidate his opponents. How can we have one army when Somali leaders cannot be trusted to be fair with the army and not use it as a tool to abuse their opponents?

I say each maamul goboled get their own army, and on top of that the federal government gets no more than 30k soldiers under its direct control. member states should have the same number under their control. until there's a true and genuine reconciliation in somalia, member states must be able protect themselves from criminal presidents sitting in xamar, and the only way to do that is to federalize the army.

As if kismaayo is your qabill. Kismaayo has always been marehan Town.

 

[Ferrari]

Most Federal countries have a unified army and maybe some regional armies thats still have to answer to the national army.
I would be fine with having something like an american style national guard for federal states but not separate armies. Immagine what would happen, PL fighting Galmudug army over Galkacyo or some shit like that.
We can solve the problem by having a strong constitution were only the federal parliament can authorise wars and big military operations. Also if you have different branches you can have different generals who actually have the power while the president would be the commander in chief but still has to act according to what parliament says

bro, these mfs don't respect the constitution. they don't care.
Somalidu sharci ma taqaan waryaa. right now we have a parliament whose term expired, and the election is next monday and the president ain't ready. these people are hopeless.
decentralize, empower the member states until the people are ready for genuine dawlad.
until then, i ain't trusting no mf calling himself a president.

 

[The Inquisitive]

Ethiopia helped farmaao install his puppet in SWS and galmudug. ain't nobody falling for yall's fake nationalism. siilki awoowyadiin baad la aadaysaan taa adeer.

Waa maxay cayda?
Ok any evidence Ethiopia actually helped him?
Ik Ethiopia-Somalia relationship are better now since the TPLF was side lined by Abiy but that's just out of convenience and temporary alliance and it's Harmless because Ethiopia doesn't interfere in the country's internal affairs as much as the TPLF did who actually imposed clan federalism in Somalia.

 

[Ferrari]

Waa maxay cayda?
Ok any evidence Ethiopia actually helped him?
Ik Ethiopia-Somalia relationship are better now since the TPLF was side lined by Abiy but that's just out of convenience and temporary alliance and it's Harmless because Ethiopia doesn't interfere in the country's internal affairs as much as the TPLF did who actually imposed clan federalism in Somalia.

stfu!

 

[The Inquisitive]

I thought you were gonna say that.
so he can defend Somalia against kenya but can't secure xamar? explain why.

Xamar is secure, you can't defend against sporadic terrorist attacks but it's been getting better thanks to NISA and Harmacad forces, btw terrorist attacks in Xamar doesn't mean the government abandons it's duty to secure it's borders so what's your point?

 

[The Inquisitive]

stfu!

Why you mad? And what's your point? You gonna say Ethiopian troops present in election = they helping Farmaajo? Hilarious

 

[reer]

@Som somalia is better under military rule than jileec shacab rule. when political unrest occurs the military takes control laakiin somalia maleh army.

 

[Ferrari]

Why you mad? And what's your point? You gonna say Ethiopian troops present in election = they helping Farmaajo? Hilarious

i just showed you a video of Ethiopian soldiers rigging an election for farmaajo?
what more evidence do you need waryaa?

 

[The Inquisitive]

i just showed you a video of Ethiopian soldiers rigging an election for farmaajo?
what more evidence do you need waryaa?

No you didn't, you showed a video of Ethiopian troops present in south west election, even if the place is the election hall is disputed, nice try.