The ICU and Ethiopian Intervention in 2006

[El Nino]

that was restricted to hawiyes. outside of hawiye control the local warlords didnt brutalize and abuse their people and have highways with bandits like hawiye warlords.

icu was dominated by hawiye despite having multiple qabiils. AS isnt dominated by a single qabiil. icu couldnt get certain demographics to take them seriously by having "sheikh" indhocadde.

Many members of the ICU were no angels at all. Far from it. But undeniably and objectively it was the best thing to happen to us hawiyes. And also, it was a good movement enough to have support from non-hawiyes such as Ogadens and your clan marehans.

The reason why I defend them and support is because it was a genuine grassroots movement. By all accounts, it was not perfect but they were moving to the right directions.

The ICU handed back properties belonging to non-hawiyes in Xamar after what happened in 1991. Just shows how good the government was.

ICU even got back Abdullahi Yusufs house in Xamar. I want somebody to tell me to this day, is there an organisation in Somalia that has done something like this?

 

[reer]

Many members of the ICU were no angels at all. Far from it. But undeniably and objectively it was the best thing to happen to us hawiyes. And also, it was a good movement enough to have support from non-hawiyes such as Ogadens and your clan marehans.

The reason why I defend them and support is because it was a genuine grassroots movement. By all accounts, it was not perfect but they were moving to the right directions.

The ICU handed back properties belonging to non-hawiyes in Xamar after what happened in 1991. Just shows how good the government was.

ICU even got back Abdullahi Yusufs house in Xamar. I want somebody to tell me to this day, is there an organisation in Somalia that has done something like this?

fair points. icu named mx mayor and airport commissioner in kismayo and had some mx militia support.

 

[Chase]

Many members of the ICU were no angels at all. Far from it. But undeniably and objectively it was the best thing to happen to us hawiyes. And also, it was a good movement enough to have support from non-hawiyes such as Ogadens and your clan marehans.

The reason why I defend them and support is because it was a genuine grassroots movement. By all accounts, it was not perfect but they were moving to the right directions.

The ICU handed back properties belonging to non-hawiyes in Xamar after what happened in 1991. Just shows how good the government was.

ICU even got back Abdullahi Yusufs house in Xamar. I want somebody to tell me to this day, is there an organisation in Somalia that has done something like this?

Why are you ignoring the question? I swear this always happens

 

[Three Moons]

@seldiboy be honest, seeing the guys in this thread name drop each-other’s clans and playing the blame-game has to invoke a feeling of disgust in you as an Eritrean that wants to see a strong Somalia return. Its like seeing a group of naked homeless guys fighting for the last blanket.

Shameless.

 

[johnsepei5]

@seldiboy forget these losers them and Somalia is a lost cause

 

[dekiteshim]

@seldiboy be honest, seeing the guys in this thread name drop each-other’s clans and playing the blame-game has to invoke a feeling of disgust in you as an Eritrean that wants to see a strong Somalia return. Its like seeing a group of naked homeless guys fighting for the last blanket.

Shameless.

Eh it’s kind of perplexing but I’m not going to pretend like I don’t have the same sentiments/resentment towards other groups (non-Eritrean ones though).

I imagine it’s a diaspora thing though. Diaspora from all countries tend to be hyper-nationalist/chauvinist. I’m guessing qabylaad is not as bad back home?

 

[El Nino]

Why are you ignoring the question? I swear this always happens

This aint the gotcha moment you think. Different hawiye clans were fighting each other, ICU managed to unite the clans somewhat. Peace in Xamar with no single bullet fired before the ethiopian invasion proves their capability.

Honest question, no jokes or trolling wallahi, this is a question I have posed to numerous HAG and none have been able to answer me.

Why did the ICU need to 'clean' up in the first place? Who were these CIA death squads? Who was terrorising civilians in the South?

Why didn't this problem occur in Puntland or Somaliland? That is, Isbaaro checkpoints, the airports and public infrastructure being squatted by clan militias and so on?

Puntland and Somaliland are still poor, even after decades of peace compared to south- central Somalia. The infrastructure is shit, just like the rest of the country.

Tell me, why do you feel superior to everyone south of PL while not having anything to show for it. I await for your answer.

 

[canjeeroiyoshah]

This aint the gotcha moment you think. Different hawiye clans were fighting each other, ICU managed to unite the clans somewhat. Peace in Xamar with no single bullet fired before the ethiopian invasion proves their capability.




Puntland and Somaliland are still poor, even after decades of peace compared to south- central Somalia. The infrastructure is shit, just like the rest of the country.

Tell me, why do you feel superior to everyone south of PL while not having anything to show for it. I await for your answer.

You do know that we need stability and security before real investments are made right? The instability in the south has directly affected the rest of the country. It's better to be honest with oneself instead of deflecting blame. I'm not a qabilist when I say this but the South has held us back.

 

[HabarSteven12]

Many members of the ICU were no angels at all. Far from it. But undeniably and objectively it was the best thing to happen to us hawiyes. And also, it was a good movement enough to have support from non-hawiyes such as Ogadens and your clan marehans.

The reason why I defend them and support is because it was a genuine grassroots movement. By all accounts, it was not perfect but they were moving to the right directions.

The ICU handed back properties belonging to non-hawiyes in Xamar after what happened in 1991. Just shows how good the government was.

ICU even got back Abdullahi Yusufs house in Xamar. I want somebody to tell me to this day, is there an organisation in Somalia that has done something like this?

You are stating nothing but facts. I lived in Xamar during the six-month rule and administration of the Islamic Courts Union. The Islamic Courts Union was the first political organization to restore an unprecedented period of peace, order and security throughout most of South-Central Somalia.

The Islamic Courts Union was extremely popular and held massive public support amongst Somalis from various clans. They did have some short-comings, but they were far better placed to lead and pacify Somalia compared to the corrupt and unpopular TFG. Many government officials in the US even alluded to this.

The Islamic Courts Union's six-month rule in Mogadishu was described as a golden age by various leading intellectuals and scholars. Abdullahi Yusuf's wife actually visited Xamar and her property that was looted during the Civil War was rightfully returned to her.

Lastly, the Somali parliament never approved of Ethiopia's invasion of Somalia. Abdullahi Yusuf gave Ethiopia the green light to invade Xamar without consulting the parliament. Sharif Xassan even mentioned it during an interview. I cry whenever I hear about the Islamic Courts because my awoowe Ibrahim addou, who was instrumental in the establishment of the ICU was killed. May Allah have mercy on him.

 

[Nin123]

That's the reason they invaded. They didn't want this to happen.

No the icu was threat to everyone cause it was basically terrorist movement and it will spread out throughout all east Africa. Bombing innocent people.

 

[Nin123]

What was the opinion of Somalis at the time on the Islamic Courts Union. From what I've heard and read, they were a stabilising force in Somalia supported by the people. What necessitated (or more aptly - incentivised) Ethiopia and the US to invade Somalia and oust the ICU towards the end of 2006?

Your once again talking out of your ass. Bring sources on ICU declaring war on Puntland.

HAG was not controlling Kismaayo at all, it was your fellow daroods.

You are straight up lying about ICU.




Why would HAG or any somali comply with the traitorous scum that was the TFG? Ali Geedi, Hussein Caydiid (HAG) and many others including your beloved Abdullahi Yusuf committed treason.


But nice to know your true feelings

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[World]

The ICU threatened to invade Addis Ababa and other Somalis in the north by force.

They could have just stayed in HAG or other lands they were peacefully invited to.

Could they have built a peaceful effective administration in South-Central Somalia? Why not. But threatening to invade Puntland after just 6 months of rule was doomed to end in disaster. Why not just stay where you are welcomed and after a year or two, try to reconcile with other Somalis? Somalis would be eager to join if they saw HAG lands progressing and prospering from ICU rule.

 

[canjeeroiyoshah]

The ICU threatened to invade Addis Ababa and other Somalis in the north by force.

They could have just stayed in HAG or other lands they were peacefully invited to.

Could they have built a peaceful effective administration in South-Central Somalia? Why not. But threatening to invade Puntland after just 6 months of rule was doomed to end in disaster. Why not just stay where you are welcomed and after a year or two, try to reconcile with other Somalis? Somalis would be eager to join if they saw HAG lands progressing and prospering from ICU rule.

Exactly, instead of consolidating power after ousting the warlords, they started marching North and South. The only good thing they did was kicking JVA out of Kismayo.

 

[Libaax-Joore]

ICU was alqaid that is why Ethiopia intervened good riddance

 

[HabarSteven12]

HAG were in Kismayo by proxy, you do realise they had communities living there, right?

I don't care what you think, you can defend your clan till death, we'll see on Judgement day InSha'Allah.

What I find hilarious is the very same people allowing Xamar to be occupied by AMISON today, as well as Xalane, have the fortitude to call others traitors.

You could declare a jihad on all foreign forces in Xamar and its surrounding areas, why don't you?

Once again, Abduallhi Yusuf may have brought the Ethiopians, but WHO signed off on Xamar being occupied by AMISON? Yeah, thought so.

You have made some valid and constructive criticism of the ICU. The ICU was far from perfect and it had many short-comings. It's true certain members within the ICU like Sheikh Dahir Aweys wanted Puntland and Somaliland to join the Islamic Courts Union by force. He was even willing to facilitate violent means to get them to support and join the Islamic Courts leadership.

However, the ICU as an institution never approved, endorsed or supported Dahir aweys expansionist and militant policies. Many moderate members of the ICU leadership tried dissuading Dahir aweys from invading Puntland and even provoking the TFG in Baidao. We need to make a clear distinction between an individual's behavior and views and the institution's behavior. Some members within the ICU committed mistakes, but no serious mistakes at the level of the Union of the Islamic Courts as an institution.

The ICU leadership encouraged reconciliation and peace talks with the TFG but Abdullahi yusuf didn't wanted to negotiate with them and branded them all as terrorists. That was extremely poor leadership on his behalf.

Another point to note is that Puntland was sending heavy weapons and troops to Abdullahi Yusuf's government to prop up the TFG. This policy might have angered certain members of the ICU.

The ICU was not as popular in Kismayo compared to other parts of Somalia. The ICU violently suppressed a demonstration against the ICU takeover of the strategic port of Kismayo. Some locals in Kismayo were killed. It's true, members of the ICU installed a proxy ogaden leader who was loyal to the ICU in Kismayo.

The ICU was far from perfect. But they were better placed to pacify and lead Somalia compared to the TFG, which lacked public or political support. Many US government officials even acknowledged the ICU was better fit to rule Somalia. That's why the US government decided to incorporate former members of the ICU into the transitional federal government in 2009.

The ICU was the first institution in 15 years to bring an unprecedented period of peace, law, order, security and stability throughout most of South-Central Somalia. No other government or institution in Somalia was capable of achieving that.

 

[HabarSteven12]

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They went to Mogadishu to fight ICU or the Ethiopian troops?

 

[Nin123]

They went to Mogadishu to fight ICU or the Ethiopian troops?

Yeah and to free Mogadishu from the terrorist

 

[Libaax-Joore]

You have made some valid and constructive criticism of the ICU. The ICU was far from perfect and it had many short-comings. It's true certain members within the ICU like Sheikh Dahir Aweys wanted Puntland and Somaliland to join the Islamic Courts Union by force. He was even willing to facilitate violent means to get them to support and join the Islamic Courts leadership.

However, the ICU as an institution never approved, endorsed or supported Dahir aweys expansionist and militant policies. Many moderate members of the ICU leadership tried dissuading Dahir aweys from invading Puntland and even provoking the TFG in Baidao. We need to make a clear distinction between an individual's behavior and views and the institution's behavior. Some members within the ICU committed mistakes, but no serious mistakes at the level of the Union of the Islamic Courts as an institution.

The ICU leadership encouraged reconciliation and peace talks with the TFG but Abdullahi yusuf didn't wanted to negotiate with them and branded them all as terrorists. That was extremely poor leadership on his behalf.

Another point to note is that Puntland was sending heavy weapons and troops to Abdullahi Yusuf's government to prop up the TFG. This policy might have angered certain members of the ICU.

The ICU was not as popular in Kismayo compared to other parts of Somalia. The ICU violently suppressed a demonstration against the ICU takeover of the strategic port of Kismayo. Some locals in Kismayo were killed. It's true, members of the ICU installed a proxy ogaden leader who was loyal to the ICU in Kismayo.

The ICU was far from perfect. But they were better placed to pacify and lead Somalia compared to the TFG, which lacked public or political support. Many US government officials even acknowledged the ICU was better fit to rule Somalia. That's why the US government decided to incorporate former members of the ICU into the transitional federal government in 2009.

The ICU was the first institution in 15 years to bring an unprecedented period of peace, law, order, security and stability throughout most of South-Central Somalia. No other government or institution in Somalia was capable of achieving that.

If they were so good why they didn’t work with the government that was elected in Nairobi icu was alqaid Trojan horse

 

[HabarSteven12]

If they were so good why they didn’t work with the government that was elected in Nairobi icu was alqaid Trojan horse

The ICU did attempt negotiating with the TFG on numerous occasions but they refused. The ICU even took some orders from Abdullahi Yusuf during the first month of their administration. Abdullahi Yusuf falsely framed the ICU as a terrorist organization. Even Ethiopia was fed up with Abdullahi Yusuf and withdrew political and military support from him. That's why they abandoned him and began supporting the ICU leadership in the end.

Abdullahi Yusuf was branded an obstacle to peace and regional governments imposed sanctions on him. If ICU was a terrorist organization, why did the international community support them to lead the TFG in 2009?

There is not a single shred of tangible evidence to suggest the ICU was a terrorist organization. That is something Abdullahi Yusuf falsely propagated to get more political and military support from the international community in order to crush the ICU, which had massive public support and was a threat to his power.

 

[HabarSteven12]

Yeah and to free Mogadishu from the terrorist

The people you accuse of being terrorists were incorporated into the TFG and made to lead Somalia. What was the whole point of the war? Two years of bloodshed and suffering only for the same so-called terrorists you guys were fighting to take over political leadership of Somalia. Sxb use your brain.

The international community was fed up with Abdullahi Yusuf and thousands of Majeerteen troops were killed in Xamar. What did he precisely accomplish? Abdullahi Yusuf was an obstacle to peace and stability in Somalia. He was forced to resign after sanctions and pressure from the international community.