The growth of the Somali atheist on this site.

[ArchBishopofAtheism]

Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' " Read what the hadiths says

How does this help you make your point? It's fucked up and backwards either way you look at it.

 

[Saeedlfc]

That between me, @VixR and God

"Only god can judge"

 

[ArchBishopofAtheism]

Adduunyo

Sxb your thoughts are misguided because we do exist in flesh and blood and we are growing daily. There are many young Somalis with doubts about religion who visit this website and become connected to those who proceeded them in that path. We answer all their questions and illuminate to them the fallacies of Islam. They learn it is ok to question, analyse and investigate the Islamic scriptures and then reach a decision towards faith or no faith. We are a fast growing community. The question is how can we as Somalis make the theists and atheists co-exist peacefully?

There is no co-existing. Bullshit will be kicked to the curb along with the bullshitters, and that's good for them.

 

[Aduunyoy]

Sahih Bukhari (52:260) - "...The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "

Sahih Bukhari (83:37) - "Allah's Apostle never killed anyone except in one of the following three situations: (1) A person who killed somebody unjustly, was killed (in Qisas,) (2) a married person who committed illegal sexual intercourse and (3) a man who fought against Allah and His Apostle and deserted Islam and became an apostate."

Sahih Bukhari (84:57) - [In the words of]"Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"

Sahih Bukhari (89:271) - A man who embraces Islam, then reverts to Judaism is to be killed according to "the verdict of Allah and his apostle."

Several hadiths.

18:29 "This is the Truth from your Lord: now whosoever will, he may accept it and whosoever will, he may reject it".

making it clear that everyone is free to chose his creed.
or the apostate to be killed he has to have committed political treason by joining a hostile faction that fights the muslim community.

 

[Aduunyoy]

How does this help you make your point? It's fucked up and backwards either way you look at it.

No your understanding is fucked up and u have no knowledge

 

[Aduunyoy]

Shall we discus what bible say about killing infidels?

Deuteronomy 13:
6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. 11 Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again.

 

[ArchBishopofAtheism]

u have no knowledge

 

[Aduunyoy]

Or Numbers 31, where God commands the Israelites to attack Midian and kill all the men, all the married women and all the male children but to keep the virgin females as the spoils of war and distribute them among the soldiers. The reason offered for that barbarism? Two Midianite women had allegedly “tempted” two Israelite men to worship other gods.

 

[Aduunyoy]

 

[AussieHustler]

No your understanding is fucked up and u have no knowledge

Adduunyo

The problem is, Mr saeedlfc is posting Hadiths that contradict the Koran you are trying to use as a source for your point. Most of these Hadiths were invented long after Mohamed and the 4 caliphs were dead on the behest of well know Muslim dictators. Mohamed never wanted to leave behind a book about his life that will be one day considered holly, in fact Allah challenged him to produce a book like the Koran, in which Mohamed replied, I write no other book other than the Koran. But a book has been invented called Hadiths on his name. Now, as you can see, you two are arguing a point of Islamic Law and your two books contradict. Which one is true? Allah says, the Koran is the truth and he protects it. Who guarantees the truthfulness of the Hadiths and who protects it?

I know you will discuss that Hadiths complement the Koran and it teaches Muslims practical stuff like prayers, but why did Allah say, the Koran is a complete book given that someone wrote Hadith books to fill the gaps and thus created confusion among Muslims like you two above?

 

[AussieHustler]

Adduunyo

The Bible (O.T) is where most of the Koran is plagiarised from and there are many similar verses in both books. It is "evil" to say, 'l guide or misguide every thought and action of human-beings', and add, those I misguided, I will burn them with hellfire, but that is not all. Then he goes on to say, I will ask Nur, Abdi, Ahmed, Said, Mohamed and Yusuf who are illiterates to slaughter on my behalf those whom I misguided because they are "apostates". Does this make sense and what sort of God is this!

 

[Aduunyoy]

Adduunyo

The problem is, Mr saeedlfc is posting Hadiths that contradict the Koran you are trying to use as a source for your point. Most of these Hadiths were invented long after Mohamed and the 4 caliphs were dead on the behest of well know Muslim dictators. Mohamed never wanted to leave behind a book about his life that will be one day considered holly, in fact Allah challenged him to produce a book like the Koran, in which Mohamed replied, I write no other book other than the Koran. But a book has been invented called Hadiths on his name. Now, as you can see, you two are arguing a point of Islamic Law and your two books contradict. Which one is true? Allah says, the Koran is the truth and he protects it. Who guarantees the truthfulness of the Hadiths and who protects it?

I know you will discuss that Hadiths complement the Koran and it teaches Muslims practical stuff like prayers, but why did Allah say, the Koran is a complete book given that someone wrote Hadith books to fill the gaps and thus created confusion among Muslims like you two above?

Apostasy is divided into two types: major and minor. Muslim scholars, using the Prophet’s traditions as their guide, have divided unbelief, idolatry, hypocrisy, and sin into major and minor categories. Likewise, there is a distinction between an apostate who intends to physically harm the community and an apostate who only spiritually harms himself.

Minor apostasy is when a person embraces Islam while knowing its virtues and later rejects it. There is no legal punishment for the minor apostate as long as they do not try to physically harm the Muslim community. Major apostasy is when a person embraces Islam while knowing its virtues and later rejects it and adds to this a call for violent rebellion against the Muslim authorities. Such a crime is equivalent to high treason and in its most severe case can carry the death penalty as an act of self-defense for the community.

Allah said : Verily, those who believed and then disbelieved, then believed and then disbelieved and increased in disbelief, never will Allah forgive them nor will He guide them to a right way. Surah An-Nisa 4:137

In this verse, Allah describes a person who apostates from Islam twice and He does not prescribe legal punishment for him, but rather He only warns the apostate about severe punishment in the Hereafter. This demonstrates that the general rule is an apostate should be left alone, as the Quran prohibits compulsion in religion. Surah Al-Baqarah 2:256

 

[Aduunyoy]

Adduunyo

The problem is, Mr saeedlfc is posting Hadiths that contradict the Koran you are trying to use as a source for your point. Most of these Hadiths were invented long after Mohamed and the 4 caliphs were dead on the behest of well know Muslim dictators. Mohamed never wanted to leave behind a book about his life that will be one day considered holly, in fact Allah challenged him to produce a book like the Koran, in which Mohamed replied, I write no other book other than the Koran. But a book has been invented called Hadiths on his name. Now, as you can see, you two are arguing a point of Islamic Law and your two books contradict. Which one is true? Allah says, the Koran is the truth and he protects it. Who guarantees the truthfulness of the Hadiths and who protects it?

I know you will discuss that Hadiths complement the Koran and it teaches Muslims practical stuff like prayers, but why did Allah say, the Koran is a complete book given that someone wrote Hadith books to fill the gaps and thus created confusion among Muslims like you two above?

''The one who leaves his religion and separates from the community''. Sahih Muslim 1676

The reference to one who “separates from the community” al-mufariq lil-jama’ah. indicates that a person is not legally punished simply for not practicing Islam, but rather for high treason against Muslim authorities. This is made even clearer in another narration in which the Prophet describes the major apostate as: A man who rejects Islam and wages war against Allah the Exalted and His Messenger. Sunan An-Nasa’i 4048

 

[Aduunyoy]

The truth is from your Lord. So whoever wills let him believe, and whoever wills let him disbelieve. Surah Al-Kahf 18:29

There is no compulsion in religion. The truth is distinct from misguidance.
Surah Al-Baqarah 2:256


u are free to believe whatever u want to believe brother there is no compulsion in religion

 

[Strawberryshuffle]

Are you thick? Maybe because Muslims are ordered to kill apostates? Just because his/her parents were lenient doesn't mean we'll all have similar experiences.

as if ur parents would kill you? joker. secondly it is not allowed for muslims to take matters into their own hands and go kill murtadeen. There needs to be an islamic state with a shariah court where the person will go to trial and get chances to convert back. do you actually believe ur parents would kill you if you tell them about your apostacy?