The Benefits of First Cousin Marriage - NHS

[Gacmeey]

Theres ahadith of imaam shaaficii saying if a family always marries cousins there will be fools in their lineage and of umar ra i believe telling a family to marry out as they had gotten "frail". It is of course halal but the whole point of the taboo and people looking at you some way is to ensure that it does not become a norm. If something is not taboo it becomes convention and if something is not convention it becomes taboo

Okay. The prophet married his first cousin zaynab bint jahsh. Why would he have done so if there was harm in it or it was taboo or discouraged or didn’t want people to do the same. I wonder if imam shaifici or Umar are a greater example than the prophet

 

[Gacmeey]

I don’t think majority of our ancestors married their cousins. And I wouldn’t say marrying from your own clan is cousin marriage. But I’d consider the Somalis that marries their cousins the minority (a very small amount).

That’s not the point tho. I was talking about the perception. It’s certainly was not disgusting or taboo. The evidence that @cunug3aad shared was using the tradition of heeran as an evidence or vague transcripts calling it a sin with no further evidence. There are so many historical Somali figures that married their first cousins so I don’t see how any of that is true

 

[Testo 21]

Like Bill Clinton you smash who ever is close. Keep in mind 20th century mans is busy chasing aspiration

 

[Gacmeey]

Like Bill Clinton you smash who ever is close. Keep in mind 20th century mans is busy chasing aspiration

There we go. I’m not saying smash your cousin or aim for her, but if she happens to be the nearest baddie, say bismillah and dive in.

 

[cunug3aad]

Okay. The prophet married his first cousin zaynab bint jahsh. Why would he have done so if there was harm in it or it was taboo or discouraged or didn’t want people to do the same. I wonder if imam shaifici or Umar are a greater example than the prophet

Because it is the arab dhaqan. For example the prophet didnt eat the dab lizard but when he was asked about it he said it is halal but my people dont eat it

Sahih al-Bukhari 5391 - Food, Meals - كتاب الأطعمة - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)

Hadith of the Prophet Muhammad (saws) in English and Arabic

sunnah.com

That is an example of the arab xeer prohibting something that islaam permits. But xeer prohibition does not refer to sin it just refers to taboo or something. This means that if someone from the prophet's people ate the lizard they would look at him weird and tell him off for it but the eater wouldnt get actual danbi

Now we look at somali dhaqan the transcripts mention. That cousin marriage was considered danbi, but this is the same way eating that lizard amongst qureysh would be called danbi. They would be looked at weird but they have not commited actual sin

Note this does not work the opposite way it cant make halaal what the sharci prohibited, so xeer is always secondary to sharci. But it is still considered

 

[Gacmeey]

Because it is the arab dhaqan. For example the prophet didnt eat the dab lizard but when he was asked about it he said it is halal but my people dont eat it

Sahih al-Bukhari 5391 - Food, Meals - كتاب الأطعمة - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)

Hadith of the Prophet Muhammad (saws) in English and Arabic

sunnah.com

That is an example of the arab xeer prohibting something that islaam permits. But xeer prohibition does not refer to sin it just refers to taboo or something. This means that if someone from the prophet's people ate the lizard they would look at him weird and tell him off for it but the eater wouldnt get actual danbi

Now we look at somali dhaqan the transcripts mention. That cousin marriage was considered danbi, but this is the same way eating that lizard amongst qureysh would be called danbi. They would be looked at weird but they have not commited actual sin

Note this does not work the opposite way it cant make halaal what the sharci prohibited, so xeer is always secondary to sharci. But it is still considered

Absolutely not considered a danbi . Yeeysan odayaasha kugu qoslin considering most of them are the products of first cousin marriages.

The thing that they might be getting mixed up with is marrying from the same jifo was can be seen as denying your kid a reer abti since his own tribe would also be his reer abti.

 

[Khal Mah Oma]

Erm a 3% increase on a “roll of the dice” odds is not very much…

The evidence shows that CONSEQUENT first cousin marriages carries risk, not occasional cousin marriages. The literature is literally on my side of the argument. There’s more risker marriages than first cousin marriages. Furthermore, second cousin marriages are basically the same as non cousin marriages

There’s so much evidence to disprove your claim
There is an exception. If you marry your first cousin it won’t always result your child having a neurological condition or abnormalities. But because Somalis are homogeneous. It’s really not a good idea to do so. When our genes are 99% pure from foreign blood. If you marry your first cousin you might bring a genetic problems and recessive gene

First cousin marriages - genetic risks in children | PET

Why cousins shouldn't marry? First cousin marriages increases the risk of recessive genetic conditions in children.

www.progress.org.uk

 

[cunug3aad]

Absolutely not considered a danbi . Yeeysan odayaasha kugu qoslin considering most of them are the products of first cousin marriages.

The thing that they might be getting mixed up with is marrying from the same jifo was can be seen as denying your kid a reer abti since his own tribe would also be his reer abti.

Most of who. The newer generations maybe because dagaalki no one trusted each other only their own qabiil or reer. But Im not sure about older generation

 

[zeila2wajir]

This is a thing in the British Pakistani community pretty much (half of them are married to their first cousins). It’s not super applicable to other Muslim communities in this country, not least our own. Naturally however, the Pakistani communities shenanigans has to be dumped onto the wider Muslim community and we will be on the firing line as always.

 

[Gacmeey]

There’s so much evidence to disprove your claim
There is an exception. If you marry your first cousin it won’t always result your child having a neurological condition or abnormalities. But because Somalis are homogeneous. It’s really not a good idea to do so. When our genes are 99% pure from foreign blood. If you marry your first cousin you might bring a genetic problems and recessive gene

First cousin marriages - genetic risks in children | PET

Why cousins shouldn't marry? First cousin marriages increases the risk of recessive genetic conditions in children.

www.progress.org.uk

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Dude the odds of having a birth defect is 1 in 33 ish for the whole population including first cousin marriages.

A 3% increase in that will be 1 in 31.95. It’s so minuscule and that’s not accounting for the fact that Somalis have very low rates of genetically diseases when compared to the the anglos. It’s not even worth a discussion

 

[Gacmeey]

Most of who. The newer generations maybe because dagaalki no one trusted each other only their own qabiil or reer. But Im not sure about older generation

No even the older generations. Like I mean your awoowe’s Awoowe. Go ask I’m sure you’ll find them easily or they’ll know someone who was the product of first cousin marriage.

 

[Khal Mah Oma]

Dude the odds of having a birth defect is 1 in 33 ish for the whole population including first cousin marriages.

A 3% increase in that will be 1 in 31.95. It’s so minuscule and that’s not accounting for the fact that Somalis have very low rates of genetically diseases when compared to the the anglos. It’s not even worth a discussion

In the end of the day: you live your life. But please didn’t marry your first cousin. I fear for your offspring

 

[Gacmeey]

In the end of the day: you live your life. But please didn’t marry your first cousin. I fear for your offspring

Don’t fear sxb many people with first cousin parents are thriving.

I’ll leave you with this, if Albert Einstein, the author of the general theory, married his cousin how bad can it really be

 

[Khal Mah Oma]

Don’t fear sxb many people with first cousin parents are thriving.

I’ll leave you with this, if Albert Einstein, the author of the general theory, married his cousin how bad can it really be

I wouldn’t use Albert Einstein as an example considering he was a massive cheater on his first wife. But anyways live your life.

 

[Bari]

Repeated first cousin marriage is makhruh, if you were insistent on keeping it in the family id suggest you marry a second cousin (the risk is akin to marrying a stranger). One off first cousin marriages arent a big deal but if your family is already kind of related, stay away from first cousins.

 

[NidarNidar]

Inbreeding by Country 2025

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[Gacmeey]

Inbreeding by Country 2025

Discover population, economy, health, and more with the most comprehensive global statistics at your fingertips.

worldpopulationreview.com

Inbred regions have the lowest homosexuality rates. Coincidence? Me thinks not

 

[BlackCrow]

I have be a long standing supporter of first cousin marriages. Even though there is a ~3% increased chance of birth defects when compared to non first cousin marriages, that doesn’t mean we should disregard it.

First-cousin marriage has ‘benefits’, says NHS guidance despite birth defect risk

Tory MP says health service should ‘stop taking the knee’ to damaging cultural practices

www.telegraph.co.uk

Wonder why the NHS would say such a thing

 

[Khal Mah Oma]

Wonder why the NHS would say such a thing

Maybe because the majority of the NHS workers are south Asians

 

[BlackCrow]

Maybe because the majority of the NHS workers are south Asians

Did have that demographic in mind but cadaans are still a majority in that field no?